DK's, Should Lava Whip Have a Stamina Morph?

mr_wazzabi

NBs have surprise attack, templars have biting jabs. As one of the classes with many stamina builds, DKs need the highest melee dps class skill to have a stamina morph. It makes no sense that NBs and templars have this flexibility, but DKs are forced to use wrecking blow or flurry. A stamina lava whip allows for more diversity among builds. Right now every stamina DK dps uses one or the other. It's boring. Also, my stamina DK is a dunmer and I should be able to take advantage of full flame damage.

Alucardo

Yes

I use S+B, so right now I'm stuck with Ransack. It's still a really good ability, but I'd like to utilise more of my class skills. Lava Whip definitely needs a stam morph that scales off stamina and weapon damage.

mr_wazzabi

Yes

Alucardo wrote: »

I use S+B, so right now I'm stuck with Ransack. It's still a really good ability, but I'd like to utilise more of my class skills. Lava Whip definitely needs a stam morph that scales off stamina and weapon damage.

Add to the fact that using ransack too often detaunts enemies in pve and you're stuck only throwing your best dps skill once every 15 seconds.

Vangy

Yes

Yes please I'm really tired of spamming Wb and want to use more of my class skills in pve. I'm stuck with just coagulating blood/searing strike/flames of oblivion for pve. Please zeni?

Alucardo

Yes

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Add to the fact that using ransack too often detaunts enemies in pve and you're stuck only throwing your best dps skill once every 15 seconds.

I don't pve so the taunt thing isn't an issue. I use ransack as a debuff and buff, but because I have no other reliable DD abilities I'm stuck using that as my spam option. I hate the fact this game tries to push me into a 2h build, but I will not cave!
I've used lava whip on a magicka dk and it's a pretty decent spell. If there was a stam morph, it's definitely a step in the right direction to make DKs even more versatile.

@jumpboy92b16_ESO I'd be really interested in hearing why you would not like to see a stam alternative to lava whip.

hardcore_gmr

Yes

Yes, it should definitely have stamina morph.

mr_wazzabi

Yes

Alucardo wrote: »

@jumpboy92b16_ESO I'd be really interested in hearing why you would not like to see a stam alternative to lava whip.

I'm interested in his reasoning also @jumpboy92b16_ESO

Alucardo

Yes

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

I'm interested in his reasoning also @jumpboy92b16_ESO

Most likely a troll vote, which is a shame.

mr_wazzabi

Yes

I wonder why people view the thread but don't comment or vote.

iseko

Yes

Would be nice. But ransack + master sword is really good tho.

Aquanova

Yes

And I'll take a stamina wings morph too please!

willymchilybily

Yes

the biggest issue with stamina morphs is which existing morph do you take away. for PVE dps i imagine most take the extra damage from molten whip being slotted, for PvP and PvE questing flame lash is a must. its the only decent heal i have left unless i can hold out for 10.5 seconds for burning embers to finally heal me.

I would actually have a stipulation though. At least stamina users can use snipe/wrecking blow. Magicka users on the destro staff dont actually have a powerful single target spam ability. i fear the the flame lash as is gives far less damage than if i was a stamina build spamming snipe/wrecking blow. so why should it be any different for a stamina morph?

in affect you give a stamina morph to the lash its not powerful enough to compete with wrecking blow or snipe (okay instant cast help i guess) but in the end people don't slot it because its not better for PVP/PVE dps spam

I'd look at underused skills like stone fist, or other abilities that are a bit lacking and give one of those a stamina morph that allows this functionality currently missing from Stam DKs

Draxys

No

No (kind of)... They need to actually put some real work into the problem and make some skills scale off either stat, whichever is your highest. That would solve the issue while not taking anything away from either stam or magicka users. But we all know they love stupid blanket changes instead of putting in detailed work that will actually fix things.

Alucardo

Yes

willymchilybily wrote: »

the biggest issue with stamina morphs is which existing morph do you take away. for PVE dps i imagine most take the extra damage from molten whip being slotted, for PvP and PvE questing flame lash is a must. its the only decent heal i have left unless i can hold out for 10.5 seconds for burning embers to finally heal me.

I would actually have a stipulation though. At least stamina users can use snipe/wrecking blow. Magicka users on the destro staff dont actually have a powerful single target spam ability. i fear the the flame lash as is gives far less damage than if i was a stamina build spamming snipe/wrecking blow. so why should it be any different for a stamina morph?

in affect you give a stamina morph to the lash its not powerful enough to compete with wrecking blow or snipe (okay instant cast help i guess) but in the end people don't slot it because its not better for PVP/PVE dps spam

I'd look at underused skills like stone fist, or other abilities that are a bit lacking and give one of those a stamina morph that allows this functionality currently missing from Stam DKs

Well, let's be honest.. lavawhip looks awesome. That aside, I think scaling off weapon damage and stamina, plus the normal DoTs you get from flame damage would add up. It could perform an extra 300% damage when the target is below 25% health so we have an execute ability as well.
I would burn my computer if they turned stone fist into a stam morph instead of lava whip.

Alucardo

Yes

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Bloodgharm

Yes

I would actually like to see a stamina morph for stone fist and lava whip. Or better yet, they should scale skill damage off of a combination magicka/stamina so that we could actually have some hybrid builds. The only ones who wouldn't be getting the full amount of damage would be those plugging attribute points into health (tanks) and they aren't really looking for high damage numbers anyway. This would allow for truly hybrid builds and open up a lot of possibilities. You'd only be limited by the size of your resource pool and regen capabilities.

DerpyShadowz

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

NBs have surprise attack, templars have biting jabs. As one of the classes with many stamina builds, DKs need the highest melee dps class skill to have a stamina morph. It makes no sense that NBs and templars have this flexibility, but DKs are forced to use wrecking blow or flurry. A stamina lava whip allows for more diversity among builds. Right now every stamina DK dps uses one or the other. It's boring. Also, my stamina DK is a dunmer and I should be able to take advantage of full flame damage.

You say, " A stamina lava whip allows for more diversity among builds. Right now every stamina DK dps uses one or the other. "

Add a stamina whip, and its all you will see, defeating the argument of diversity.

If they ever did change one morph to Stamina, it would inadvertently nerf Magicka DK either in PvE or PvP depending on which was changed.

MudcrabsRus

Yes

When will DKs be OP again @ZOS_team

olsborg

No

Sorc needs a stam morph more then dk, if dk gets one before sorc...I'll whine:)

Alucardo

Yes

olsborg wrote: »

Sorc needs a stam morph more then dk, if dk gets one before sorc...I'll whine:)

This thread was directed at DKs hence the title, not whining sorcs. Your vote ruined the stats - so if we don't get this stam morph I will be blaming you.

Stannum

No

Really - no need. Stamina DK can use weapon abilities for spam attacks. Really more valuable would be stamina morph for AoE DoT (firery breath or ash cloud).

Alucardo

Yes

dancing.in.the.webeb17_ESO wrote: »

Really - no need. Stamina DK can use weapon abilities for spam attacks. Really more valuable would be stamina morph for AoE DoT (firery breath or ash cloud).

What? Considering you don't understand how DK works your vote is moot. There is a stamina morph of Fiery Breath - it's called Burning Breath

Jar_Ek

Yes

Yes and sorcerers should get a decent stamina attack morph too... even if it is melee.

Armitas

Yes

I'm a magicka DK and I don't even want whip. Best part of being stam is you can escape such a poor damaging ability. If that's what you guys want though then yeah make it happen.

mr_wazzabi

Yes

Draxys wrote: »

No (kind of)... They need to actually put some real work into the problem and make some skills scale off either stat, whichever is your highest. That would solve the issue while not taking anything away from either stam or magicka users. But we all know they love stupid blanket changes instead of putting in detailed work that will actually fix things.

I agree with this. If they allowed every skill to scale with your highest stat, it would allow for hybrid builds, something that made skyrim as awesome as it was.

Eso's decision to force you into either stam or magicka killed the spellsword class, something that's been a staple of the elder scrolls series. You cannot be an equal caster and swordsman and expect to be competitive in this game.

Warraxx

No

WB>whip

Personofsecrets

No

Stam doesn't need whip. For every stamina morph a magic morph is ruined.

Sensesfail13

Yes

I believe that a lot of these skills rather than having a "stamina or magicka" morph should scale off of either spell or wep dmg depending on which is higher. Because they have already implemented this on other skills it shouldnt be that hard to change but that is disregarding the fact that half of the skills in the game need a complete overhaul

Shadesofkin

Yes

I tend to second the selective scaling method, if my stam pool has a greater number of points in it than my magica pool I'm clearly not trying to run Magicka, let it scale off stam instead.