Reward for the worthy.... hmmm not feeling so worthy after IC patch!

Hammy01

As of late I am not feeling so worthy in Cyrodil . Zos upped the amount of gold we get in our "Reward for the worthy" mail x3 but I am now getting less than half of the mails I was getting prior to the IC patch. At first I thought maybe I was not getting into that much action.. hence the lack of mail but lately I have been keeping track and that does not seem to be the case. Tonight I was on for over an hour with back and forth action (taking and defending keeps) and I only received one mail with 105g and an item. Prior to the IC patch I would have gotten at least 5 mail bags with 5 items and around 175g.

Now I like pvp and will continue to pvp for the fun of it but staying in Cyrodil is expensive so having the extra gold and items was a very good thing. Please ZOS up the amount of "Reward for the worthy" mail bags we get.. i'm not looking to get rich via pvp but I would like to be able to put a little food on the table for my wee little rugrats!!!

PS. Is it just me or does it seem like we are not getting as much AP as we were prior to the IC patch. Normally after a couple of hours of PVP I would have earned around 20k AP but lately it seems like I can barely break 10k and this is while still doing the same thing (HEALS, a little dps and repairs).

Thanks in advance!!

Conquistador

I got a [Rubedite Axe of Doge Poop] for my war efforts, lol.

Hammy01

Conquistador wrote: »

I got a [Rubedite Axe of Doge Poop] for my war efforts, lol.

Hey anything that helps you doge poop is a good thing!! Cyrodil is full of poop slingers and we need all the help we can get!!

Flattedfifth

Hammy01 wrote: »

Tonight I was on for over an hour with back and forth action (taking and defending keeps) and I only received one mail with 105g and an item. Prior to the IC patch I would have gotten at least 5 mail bags with 5 items and around 175g.
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That may be your problem, you get severe diminishing returns (going all the way up to 0) in XP and AP from killing the same players over and over within a few mins.

Darlgon

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1997384#Comment_1997384

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Rewards for the worthy are getting reduced in frequency as the amount to earn one is being increased, however the gold and gear inside the bags is being increased.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Higher percentage chance at getting blues and purples. We also upped the chance of getting full grand soul gems and have discussed other things to add for later patches.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

That percentage chance was really...really...really low. It's been upped significantly now to roughly a 10% getting a blue, and 5% getting a purple. Also remember there was 0% purple before

AbraXuSeXile

Try being alliance rank 50, we dont even get any.

nimander99

Conquistador wrote: »

I got a [Rubedite Axe of Doge Poop] for my war efforts, lol.

Hammy01 wrote: »

Conquistador wrote: »

I got a [Rubedite Axe of Doge Poop] for my war efforts, lol.

Hey anything that helps you doge poop is a good thing!! Cyrodil is full of poop slingers and we need all the help we can get!!

Heh heh, you guys both get a +1 insightful cause that was an insightful exchange

Sithisvoid

Yeah anytime they say they are buffing something expect a heavy stealth nerf

Nikkiy

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Try being alliance rank 50, we dont even get any.

Preyfar

Hammy01 wrote: »

Now I like pvp and will continue to pvp for the fun of it but staying in Cyrodil is expensive so having the extra gold and items was a very good thing.

This is exactly the problem in Cyrodiil right now. AP is mostly worthless (you used to be able to make money with it) and the Rewards for the Worthy bags are just... disappointing. Sure, some sets drop from there, but it's completely random (as are the traits). Most of the hardcore PVP guys I know can't afford to PVP since they're finding it hard to buy siege, wall repair kits and more. It's not profitable anymore for them.

Myself, I used to easily go upwards of 20K gold a night on hardcore PVP doing tons of repairs, upkeep and more. Now I can't afford to. I keep coming across keeps that have the inner wall down because, as best I can tell, nobody could afford to repair both inner and outer. Heh.

That, or most PVPers I know I stuck grinding because unless they've got full Robust Agility or Arcane Willpower they're really at a disadvantage. IC did a lot of things right, but it also completely destroyed PVP's reward system and economy. That, and removed gear diversity to the point everybody has to have the same ring set to really be competitive (since no OTHER rings seem to be dropping at VR16). Those VR16 enchants are too good NOT to use.

TheShadowScout

Yeah, AP and what can be bought for it is a bit underwhelming right now... since everyone wanting to gear up for PvP is bypassing them and aiming for the tel var stone cought V15/V16 outfits... and considering how much the AP bought V14 pieces cost, well... they clearly are not really worth the effort anymore I fear... might be they could use some rebalancing to make them either competetive to TV outfits (unlikely) or at least cheap enough that PvP newbies can earn them quickly...

Personally, I'd make all the cyrodil sold 30K AP gear sets V14, drop the V1 - V12 purple pieces in "rewards for the worthy" at level (those rewards are coming rarely enough IMO to be worth more then mostly green trash that goes for 150 gold at every guild vendor...), and have the 100K AP "elite" gear at V15... better then the old stuff, still not quite as good as the highend TV stone gear...

But hey, that's just a thought of mine...

Also... it kinda vexes me that the "pact -gear piece-"... "dominion -gear piece-"... and "covenant -gear piece-" all look the same while having alliance-specific names, but the "shieldbreaker -gear piece-" and such look different per alliance, but -do not- have that looks indicated in their name!
...I'd much rather see the latter have their "colors" in the name, so people who buy them at guild stores or share them per bank know which pieces ought to be worn by what alliance alts...
...and have the former share a generic name since they all are the "fighters guild" akaviri style no matter where you buy them, faction-wise... maybe something like ""Soldiers -heavy gear piece-", "Scouts -medium gear piece-", "Warmages -light gear piece-"
But I guess that's a different topic...

Yolokin_Swagonborn

They need to bring back all the PvP endgame sets (ravager, morag tong, hawks eye) WITH JEWELRY in v16.

Update the outer cyrodiil elite gear vendor to V16.

I am damned sick of the stupid, boring Agility/Willpower sets and so is everyone else. With all of its other issues, at least patch 1.6 gave PvP'ers a way tp fund their expensive PvP habit. It was good for the economy.

eliisra

Yes, Rewards of the Worthy are about as useless as they where before.

Not a single decent PvP set from 1.6 made it over into VR16.

This was suppose to be a PvP update ffs, yet the only gear worth mentioning coming from PvP areas are Willpower/Agility jewellery. But it gets even better...because those sets also drops loads in PvE dungeons.

All Tel Var armor sets in IC are poop(unless you feel like trolling with Shield Breaker before nerf). All sets you can obtain from leaderboard or reward mails are poop.

What the hell ZoS?

SeptimusDova

This one cannot afford to repair walls or doors anymore. No gold left. What the grand warlord pays is not enough to fix the grand warlords keeps. This one is not in charity business.

GreenSoup2HoT

Good to know all previous Jewelry Set's were scraped and thrown away for 3 generic set's that are better then all the rest to provide some real build diversity....

Elder_III

ZoS ruined the entire Gear economy. All there is now is Crafted gear, which takes a butt load of mats to make (Hey IC zerg grind for a month!), and the new Agility, Willpower, or Endurance (maybe) jewelry (Hi again IC zerg grind for a month!). The new Dungeon sets that actually go to VR16 are ultra rare, Bind on Pickup, and total RNG for a decent trait.... no thanks.

Everyone's pigeonholed into the same gear and the same grind. Yuck Yuck Yuck.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Good to know all previous Jewelry Set's were scraped and thrown away for 3 generic set's that are better then all the rest to provide some real build diversity....

No one would bother farming for those yawn worthy sets if there were V16 cyrodiils light, ravager, or morag tong jewelry in the game.

This is what really frustrates me about ZOS. They feel pressured to one up themselves every time. If you have an awesome gear set, like ravager or hawks eye. Keep it in the game!!!! You can't always make the new gear more attractive than the old. People like the old gear. So much so that you intentionally suppress it to promote new gear.

Just make all gear available and let the market decide, then promote the winners.

WTB V16 Fjords Legacy rings.

Darlgon

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Good to know all previous Jewelry Set's were scraped and thrown away for 3 generic set's that are better then all the rest to provide some real build diversity....

No one would bother farming for those yawn worthy sets if there were V16 cyrodiils light, ravager, or morag tong jewelry in the game.

This is what really frustrates me about ZOS. They feel pressured to one up themselves every time. If you have an awesome gear set, like ravager or hawks eye. Keep it in the game!!!! You can't always make new gear. People like the old gear. So much so that you intentionally suppress it to promote new gear.

Just make all gear available and let the market decide, then promote the winners.

WTB V16 Fjords Legacy rings.

Still betting they held those out until Orcsinium to give PvPers something to do then, and these one trick pony sets are just filler.

SeptimusDova

This was predicted when reading the Moon Sugar cubes. Reduce and replace. Reduce the existing gear of many many many type. And replace it with just a few type. Replace the rings and necklaces with just 3 types. Makes it really easy on the future of the grin... errr game...

Recremen

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Try being alliance rank 50, we dont even get any.

Boo, why would they stop rewarding players who've reached the top of the grind? Heck, they should give you even MORE after all that, just to keep giving you incentives to show up for fighting.

(also I want to murder you for achievement points, in a totally platonic way)

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

You really have no reason to care about Cyrodiil or AP the only VR 16 sets are grinds and your VR 14 sets are not nearly as good. Worst if your old set don't go to VR14 to begin with

What ZoS wants
Zergs - Two Hundred player on one screen remember that, that's 66 players per Alliance. Do you think they wanted small scale fights no 200 players in one place was the goal.

The "Right" gear for your Role - Play your way unless you artificially cripple you set by not having a max level then kill it by add two more levels with a set that's far better in every way why go your own way just do with all the other Stamina, Magic and Tank builds do new gear guarantees that

Grinding - it's clear at this point do need to remind you all of why.

This was there "vision" from day one the other set were to level not to keep.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

You really have no reason to care about Cyrodiil or AP the only VR 16 sets are grinds and your VR 14 sets are not nearly as good. Worst if your old set don't go to VR14 to begin with

What ZoS wants
Zergs - Two Hundred player on one screen remember that, that's 66 players per Alliance. Do you think they wanted small scale fights no 200 players in one place was the goal.

The "Right" gear for your Role - Play your way unless you artificially cripple you set by not having a max level then kill it by add two more levels with a set that's far better in every way why go your own way just do with all the other Stamina, Magic and Tank builds do new gear guarantees that

Grinding - it's clear at this point do need to remind you all of why.

This was there "vision" from day one the other set were to level not to keep.

So our reward for getting to endgame is the total destruction of build diversity that existed for a year in cyrodill in 1.5 and the reduction of everything to basically 3 cookie cutter builds?

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

You really have no reason to care about Cyrodiil or AP the only VR 16 sets are grinds and your VR 14 sets are not nearly as good. Worst if your old set don't go to VR14 to begin with

What ZoS wants
Zergs - Two Hundred player on one screen remember that, that's 66 players per Alliance. Do you think they wanted small scale fights no 200 players in one place was the goal.

The "Right" gear for your Role - Play your way unless you artificially cripple you set by not having a max level then kill it by add two more levels with a set that's far better in every way why go your own way just do with all the other Stamina, Magic and Tank builds do new gear guarantees that

Grinding - it's clear at this point do need to remind you all of why.

This was there "vision" from day one the other set were to level not to keep.

So our reward for getting to endgame is the total destruction of build diversity that existed for a year in cyrodill in 1.5 and the reduction of everything to basically 3 cookie cutter builds?

When you rule out the impossible whatever you have left however unlikely have to be the truth they made 3 Sets Way more powerful than any other sets available. They put all the old good sets at a huge advantage, does that sound like they want to make greater build diversity?

If they wanted players to be diverse, they would have upgraded all the sets to VR16 and let players choose. But no how they did it they want to player to rub those set. The max resources and damage is just want to awesome to leave on the table and some great five pieces need to use jewelry slots.

Hammy01

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That may be your problem, you get severe diminishing returns (going all the way up to 0) in XP and AP from killing the same players over and over within a few mins.

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Yes I guess this could have been part of the problem but we have had plenty of back to back action in the past and that never hurt my the frequency of my Reward mail bags!

Molag_Crow

Wait, you're complaining about getting less mail?

I had to spend 2+ hours clearing out my mail every now and then because of all the 'Reward of the Worthy' spam.

I'm so glad they changed it to what it is now. 200g+ is nice, also the chance of getting some rare sets has increased in the mail too, so.

Hammy01

Darlgon wrote: »

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1997384#Comment_1997384

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Rewards for the worthy are getting reduced in frequency as the amount to earn one is being increased, however the gold and gear inside the bags is being increased.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Higher percentage chance at getting blues and purples. We also upped the chance of getting full grand soul gems and have discussed other things to add for later patches.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

That percentage chance was really...really...really low. It's been upped significantly now to roughly a 10% getting a blue, and 5% getting a purple. Also remember there was 0% purple before

Although it is nice that we now have a chance at getting a blue or purple in our mail bags (I have yet to see either), it really does not mean much because they drastically lowered the amount of mail bags we get. A 10% and 5% chance is not that great when you only get 1 maybe 2 mails bags after an evening of fighting. Plus my issue was not really with the items we got (although those were nice to deconstruct) but rather with the money. The extra gold was nice to help pay for wall repair kits and siege equipment so I did not have to completely deplete my AP pool. I always try to save up my AP so when I turned X0 or X5 I could buy new equipment!!

dodgehopper_ESO

I wish all gear were crafted. Make it more like SWG and less like WoW.

Hammy01

Preyfar wrote: »

Hammy01 wrote: »

Now I like pvp and will continue to pvp for the fun of it but staying in Cyrodil is expensive so having the extra gold and items was a very good thing.

This is exactly the problem in Cyrodiil right now. AP is mostly worthless (you used to be able to make money with it) and the Rewards for the Worthy bags are just... disappointing. Sure, some sets drop from there, but it's completely random (as are the traits). Most of the hardcore PVP guys I know can't afford to PVP since they're finding it hard to buy siege, wall repair kits and more. It's not profitable anymore for them.

Myself, I used to easily go upwards of 20K gold a night on hardcore PVP doing tons of repairs, upkeep and more. Now I can't afford to. I keep coming across keeps that have the inner wall down because, as best I can tell, nobody could afford to repair both inner and outer. Heh.

That, or most PVPers I know I stuck grinding because unless they've got full Robust Agility or Arcane Willpower they're really at a disadvantage. IC did a lot of things right, but it also completely destroyed PVP's reward system and economy. That, and removed gear diversity to the point everybody has to have the same ring set to really be competitive (since no OTHER rings seem to be dropping at VR16). Those VR16 enchants are too good NOT to use.

I agree, we should be able to sustain ourselves while pvp'ing! I constantly hear in voice that nobody has enough money or AP to repair walls now that the IC patch is out. I myself have to go out and quest just to get some money built up so I can properly pvp and that is usually gone in an evening of pvp.... money and ap go fast when you are being a good soldier and repairing keep walls!!

The End of the Campaign rewards however were a big step in the right direction but even these could be tweaked to give out a little more gold!

Hammy01

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Yeah, AP and what can be bought for it is a bit underwhelming right now... since everyone wanting to gear up for PvP is bypassing them and aiming for the tel var stone cought V15/V16 outfits... and considering how much the AP bought V14 pieces cost, well... they clearly are not really worth the effort anymore I fear... might be they could use some rebalancing to make them either competetive to TV outfits (unlikely) or at least cheap enough that PvP newbies can earn them quickly...

Personally, I'd make all the cyrodil sold 30K AP gear sets V14, drop the V1 - V12 purple pieces in "rewards for the worthy" at level (those rewards are coming rarely enough IMO to be worth more then mostly green trash that goes for 150 gold at every guild vendor...), and have the 100K AP "elite" gear at V15... better then the old stuff, still not quite as good as the highend TV stone gear...

But hey, that's just a thought of mine...

Also... it kinda vexes me that the "pact -gear piece-"... "dominion -gear piece-"... and "covenant -gear piece-" all look the same while having alliance-specific names, but the "shieldbreaker -gear piece-" and such look different per alliance, but -do not- have that looks indicated in their name!
...I'd much rather see the latter have their "colors" in the name, so people who buy them at guild stores or share them per bank know which pieces ought to be worn by what alliance alts...
...and have the former share a generic name since they all are the "fighters guild" akaviri style no matter where you buy them, faction-wise... maybe something like ""Soldiers -heavy gear piece-", "Scouts -medium gear piece-", "Warmages -light gear piece-"
But I guess that's a different topic...

I don't have a vet toon yet so my concerns were more with the non vet where the AP we get still matters because outside of crafted gear the AP gear is most likely the best we are going to get. Therefore we need our gold to buy wall repair kits and siege weapons. As it stands right now... our war Generals are sitting on a mountain of gold and only paying their soldiers with table scraps!!

Hammy01

SeptimusDova wrote: »

This one cannot afford to repair walls or doors anymore. No gold left. What the grand warlord pays is not enough to fix the grand warlords keeps. This one is not in charity business.

Loll exactly!!!

Bhakura

I dont get it .... you can buy siege and repair stuff with ap? Im constantly running around with 200+ wall and door repairs, 10+ trebs, 10+ rams, 100+ siege repair kits
and my ap only goes up ....
Whats the problem?