How are you mean't to deal with stam nb's?

leepalmer95

Theres so many of them everywhere, inf cloak combine with ambush/suprise attack spam is horrible to deal with.

Ahzek

I gave in and bought a stack of detect pots

eNumbra

infinite cloak? on a Stam NB?



Radiant Magelight btw:
Summon a mote of magelight to enhance your spellcasting, granting you Major Prophecy, which increases your Spell Critical rating by 2191.
The mote also reveals hidden or invisible enemies, prevents being stunned by stealth attacks, and reduces damage from stealth attacks by 56% for you and nearby allies.
While toggled, your Magicka will only recover up to 95% of its Max value.
Reveals hidden enemies and nearby allies take less damage from stealth attacks.

Rune_Relic

Sithis has obviously had a promotional video released.
Need to make other classes more attractive.

Junglejim82

Here we go again. Roll one play it for a bit and it'll all become clear

Dracane

I was quite surprised. I thought, Magicka would become Overlords and Stamina Nightblades become a remnant.
But the opposite is the case Stamblades are as mighty as before and Magicka NBs easier, because shields are easier to break.

I think it's the insane combination of cloak and roll dodge that makes Nightblades so strong, you barely can hit a good stam NB. This is the heresy: Magicka Nightblade without shields < Cloaking Stamblade < Magicka NB with shield stack < Stamblade with cloak and roll dodge.

Magicka NBs can be insanely tanky thanks to healing ward, but you can at least hit them for a few seconds after drinking a potion and can CC them easier. But using a detection potion against a stamblade is pointless in my opinion. They usually just roll dodge until the potion runs out, better drink a potion that actually helps your ressources instead. You usually can't kill a Nightblade that doesn't want to be killed.

You can only kill them when they attempt to attack you, you must wait for this moment and then try to attack. Then again, it depends on the opponent. There are Trashblades and good ones, but that's the same with each class.

Tavore1138

Err... on a stamina NB you can cloak 3 maybe 4 times at most before running dry on magicka.

Ambush and surprise attack from stealth are both correctly subject to the stun/CC cool down immunity timer (unlike certain 2 hander skills we are not allowed to name).

Now if you mean that every few seconds they will cloak and try to suprise attack for the stun once immunity has worn off I would suggest you either block or aoe to reveal them so the stun does not happen.

And while they spam their damage skill (probably because in PvP the idea is to kill you by hitting you a lot) you should try using your own damage skills along with your shields and CC/stun effects to give you breathing space... maybe use a potion to heal up or, if a sorc, streak in the other direction and hide round a corner.

leepalmer95

eNumbra wrote: »

infinite cloak? on a Stam NB?



Radiant Magelight btw:
Summon a mote of magelight to enhance your spellcasting, granting you Major Prophecy, which increases your Spell Critical rating by 2191.
The mote also reveals hidden or invisible enemies, prevents being stunned by stealth attacks, and reduces damage from stealth attacks by 56% for you and nearby allies.
While toggled, your Magicka will only recover up to 95% of its Max value.
Reveals hidden enemies and nearby allies take less damage from stealth attacks.

Magelight is just bad and takes 2 slots, also i'm a stamina build.

Yes inf cloak on a stam nb really isn't hard.

olsborg

Roll a stamina sorc and problem solved:)

FriedEggSandwich

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Theres so many of them everywhere, inf cloak combine with ambush/suprise attack spam is horrible to deal with.

Depends where you're fighting them; their domain is currently IC, esp sewers so you are more likely to lose to one there. Keep your distance, drop mines, keep your ward up, keep a hot ticking, be quick on the cc break, keep curse up on them, stay offensive and keep the pressure on if that's even possible without agro'ing something big. Don't use detect pots cos it will stop you from using a tripot for 42secs, they will come to you.

Edit: if you're a sorc and can kite then agro something big; the huge red circles on the ground really help

Junglejim82

ROFL try roll dodging x3 and see how much stamina it eats up . If you cc a dodge rolling nb chances are he's out of stam and stun locked into being a training dummy. 1x dodge into cloak us a nice escape but only against people running no stealth counters

leepalmer95

Junglejim82 wrote: »

ROFL try roll dodging x3 and see how much stamina it eats up . If you cc a dodge rolling nb chances are he's out of stam and stun locked into being a training dummy. 1x dodge into cloak us a nice escape but only against people running no stealth counters

A decent nb would never run out of stamina, their defence now is roll dodge + inf cloak. It's not hard to achieve.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Play a nb for a while and you'll learn how to counter them. I personally think killing nbs is much easier than killing sorcs or stam dks and that's probably due to the fact, that I played a lot on my nb.

eNumbra

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Magelight is just bad and takes 2 slots, also i'm a stamina build.

Then put it on one bar, use it to find the NB and swap to the other bar after you break his stealth. Use AoEs too

There's lots of ways to deal with them.

1 - Search the forum, this topic's been beaten to death.
2 - Give us all your build information at the start to avoid unnecessary delays and confusion when looking for an answer

leepalmer95

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Play a nb for a while and you'll learn how to counter them. I personally think killing nbs is much easier than killing sorcs or stam dks and that's probably due to the fact, that I played a lot on my nb.

I know how to counter them it's just really difficult in IC, cloak is a pain to get them out from, magelight isn't good the detect range on it is bad.

They also have so much dmg compare to other classes. Ambush is such a strong skill, the 1s stun works better than if it was 4s because the majority of the time you can't react to get the break free immunity.

Tavore1138

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Junglejim82 wrote: »

ROFL try roll dodging x3 and see how much stamina it eats up . If you cc a dodge rolling nb chances are he's out of stam and stun locked into being a training dummy. 1x dodge into cloak us a nice escape but only against people running no stealth counters

A decent nb would never run out of stamina, their defence now is roll dodge + inf cloak. It's not hard to achieve.

Sorry but that is just not true - simply saying things that players know aren't accurate over and again is not going to suddenly un-nerf roll dodge or give a stamina player infinite magicka...

FriedEggSandwich

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Junglejim82 wrote: »

ROFL try roll dodging x3 and see how much stamina it eats up . If you cc a dodge rolling nb chances are he's out of stam and stun locked into being a training dummy. 1x dodge into cloak us a nice escape but only against people running no stealth counters

A decent nb would never run out of stamina, their defence now is roll dodge + inf cloak. It's not hard to achieve.

Sorry but that is just not true - simply saying things that players know aren't accurate over and again is not going to suddenly un-nerf roll dodge or give a stamina player infinite magicka...

Some people claim a good sorc will never run out of stamina..

leepalmer95

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Junglejim82 wrote: »

ROFL try roll dodging x3 and see how much stamina it eats up . If you cc a dodge rolling nb chances are he's out of stam and stun locked into being a training dummy. 1x dodge into cloak us a nice escape but only against people running no stealth counters

A decent nb would never run out of stamina, their defence now is roll dodge + inf cloak. It's not hard to achieve.

Sorry but that is just not true - simply saying things that players know aren't accurate over and again is not going to suddenly un-nerf roll dodge or give a stamina player infinite magicka...

Seriously?

Have you actually changed your 1.6 nb build yet? Using certain sets it's easy to get such high regen, while stack stacking wpn dmg as that is even easier now.

You ofc don't dodge roll repeatedly, a good defence for a nb is to dodge roll once or twice and if they need to be defensive then simply cloak, which lasts 2.9s, if they cloak twice then the roll dodge debuff has gone off so they can't immedietly ambush and stun the target. Repeat.

eNumbra

leepalmer95 wrote: »

They also have so much dmg compare to other classes.

Templars have so much Healing compared to other classes.

leepalmer95

eNumbra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

They also have so much dmg compare to other classes.

Templars have so much Healing compared to other classes.

Yet templars can't cloak past mobs and escape?, also with 1.7 stam nb's have lots of healing rally+vigor is gg.

Tavore1138

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Junglejim82 wrote: »

ROFL try roll dodging x3 and see how much stamina it eats up . If you cc a dodge rolling nb chances are he's out of stam and stun locked into being a training dummy. 1x dodge into cloak us a nice escape but only against people running no stealth counters

A decent nb would never run out of stamina, their defence now is roll dodge + inf cloak. It's not hard to achieve.

Sorry but that is just not true - simply saying things that players know aren't accurate over and again is not going to suddenly un-nerf roll dodge or give a stamina player infinite magicka...

Some people claim a good sorc will never run out of stamina..

I doubt that is true either - a magicka build generally can at least use the stamina pool for blocking, breaking free and dodging without depleting the magicka they use for casting abilities but assuming they have around 8-15k stamina depending on race and food then that is going to run down if they do a lot of any of those things.

eNumbra

leepalmer95 wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

They also have so much dmg compare to other classes.

Templars have so much Healing compared to other classes.

Yet templars can't cloak past mobs and escape?, also with 1.7 stam nb's have lots of healing rally+vigor is gg.

Templars can simply keep purging and healing while running away.

All stam builds have rally and vigor, this isn't an NB issue.

leepalmer95

eNumbra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

They also have so much dmg compare to other classes.

Templars have so much Healing compared to other classes.

Yet templars can't cloak past mobs and escape?, also with 1.7 stam nb's have lots of healing rally+vigor is gg.

Templars can simply keep purging and healing while running away.

All stam builds have rally and vigor, this isn't an NB issue.

Never said it was an issue, someone postsed something completely off topic so i replyed to him with something completely off topic.

FriedEggSandwich

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Junglejim82 wrote: »

ROFL try roll dodging x3 and see how much stamina it eats up . If you cc a dodge rolling nb chances are he's out of stam and stun locked into being a training dummy. 1x dodge into cloak us a nice escape but only against people running no stealth counters

A decent nb would never run out of stamina, their defence now is roll dodge + inf cloak. It's not hard to achieve.

Sorry but that is just not true - simply saying things that players know aren't accurate over and again is not going to suddenly un-nerf roll dodge or give a stamina player infinite magicka...

Some people claim a good sorc will never run out of stamina..

I doubt that is true either - a magicka build generally can at least use the stamina pool for blocking, breaking free and dodging without depleting the magicka they use for casting abilities but assuming they have around 8-15k stamina depending on race and food then that is going to run down if they do a lot of any of those things.

Your argument is true, but the counter-argument to it is stamina builds can boost max stamina and stam regen without hurting the efficacy of their build. For a magicka build to boost max stam and stam regen they would have to make sacrifices. Swings and roundabouts.

eNumbra

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Never said it was an issue, someone postsed something completely off topic so i replyed to him with something completely off topic.[/quote]
Completely off topic - its tangentially related. You're complaining about a class' unique skill. I compared it to another class' unique skill.
You countered with two points that:
1 - Provided the same ability (escaping mobs) to each class
2 - Wasn't unique to the class, one of which, being a weapon skill pigeonholes the NB into that weapon line.

You're complaining about the same thing so many other have been complaining about recently: You're build can't do everything. How awful.

leepalmer95

eNumbra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Never said it was an issue, someone postsed something completely off topic so i replyed to him with something completely off topic.

Completely off topic - its tangentially related. You're complaining about a class' unique skill. I compared it to another class' unique skill.
You countered with two points that:
1 - Provided the same ability (escaping mobs) to each class
2 - Wasn't unique to the class, one of which, being a weapon skill pigeonholes the NB into that weapon line.

You're complaining about the same thing so many other have been complaining about recently: You're build can't do everything. How awful.[/quote]

Are we having two conversations here you seem to just keep going off on your own.

Templars healing and running away with just pull the mobs he runs into, a templar will not escape.

A nb will cloak as he's being chased and bypass the mobs leading the people chasing to aggro them.

eNumbra

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Templars healing and running away with just pull the mobs he runs into, a templar will not escape.
Everything eventually drops aggro, templars will escape just fine.

A nb will cloak as he's being chased and bypass the mobs leading the people chasing to aggro them.

AND?

No seriously. AND? It's a Nightblade. He's sneaky. He's an opportunistic, illusion-wielding scout/assassin/thief... etc. The whole damn point of the Nightblade is just that. Cloak and stealth.
Complaining that Nightblades can cloak away from fights is kind of like... wait for it - complaining that Templars can heal.

As I've already said, there's about a dozen of these threads less than a week old. You have all your answers for countering them there.

leepalmer95

eNumbra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Templars healing and running away with just pull the mobs he runs into, a templar will not escape.
Everything eventually drops aggro, templars will escape just fine.

A nb will cloak as he's being chased and bypass the mobs leading the people chasing to aggro them.

AND?

No seriously. AND? It's a Nightblade. He's sneaky. He's an opportunistic, illusion-wielding scout/assassin/thief... etc. The whole damn point of the Nightblade is just that. Cloak and stealth.
Complaining that Nightblades can cloak away from fights is kind of like... wait for it - complaining that Templars can heal.

As I've already said, there's about a dozen of these threads less than a week old. You have all your answers for countering them there.

I'm complaining about the fact it's extremely hard to take them out of stealth and the fact they can claok past mobs.

Stam nb's at the moment.

Highest survivability because of dodge roll, inf cloak, vigor + rally.
Highest dmg.
Can sneak past all mobs
Can easily escape any situation they want too.

There were on par with sorc in 1.6 and now there leagues ahead.

eNumbra

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm complaining about the fact it's extremely hard to take them out of stealth

It really isn't - and even if it is, specifically for you build... good. There shouldn't be builds that can counter everything.

leepalmer95

eNumbra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm complaining about the fact it's extremely hard to take them out of stealth

It really isn't - and even if it is, specifically for you build... good. There shouldn't be builds that can counter everything.

Nb's counter everything... xD

A nb can even counter a nb.

eNumbra

leepalmer95 wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

I'm complaining about the fact it's extremely hard to take them out of stealth

It really isn't - and even if it is, specifically for you build... good. There shouldn't be builds that can counter everything.

Nb's counter everything... xD

A nb can even counter a nb.

Every class has access to something that will counter anything they run into.

Running away isn't a counter to everything and there is no singular unified NB build that can counter everything. Stop being obtuse because you can't stop an NB from escaping.