mist form is useless now

chevalierknight

They can target you in mist its now useless

Rylana

they always could target you

chevalierknight

Rylana wrote: »

they always could target you

Not on xbox or ps4 we dont have tab target it was a good skill it useless now

Lava_Croft

chevalierknight wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

they always could target you

Not on xbox or ps4 we dont have tab target it was a good skill it useless now

75% damage mitigation useless?

OK then.

FireCowCommando

Ugh, this change is going to hurt solo players and buff large zergs. Why ZoS ;(

Peel_Ya_Cap_517

You SHOULD be able to target someone in mist form. I hate how invisibility = invincibility in this game.

And I'm a Vampire..

Lava_Croft

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

You SHOULD be able to target someone in mist form. I hate how invisibility = invincibility in this game.

And I'm a Vampire..

Mist Form never turned anyone invisible.

Cinnamon_Spider

Mist form is still really good as an escape. I got away from an entire raid of EP in the sewers two nights ago.

Peel_Ya_Cap_517

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

You SHOULD be able to target someone in mist form. I hate how invisibility = invincibility in this game.

And I'm a Vampire..

Mist Form never turned anyone invisible.

Sorry... "mist" = invincibility

DeanTheCat

If you want to get the best milage out of mist, you need to couple it with an ability that grants immunity to snare/roots. Namely Retreating Maneuvers, Shuffle or Forward Momentum, with Retreating being the most costly, yet most effective option.

If you choose to use Retreating, you can forgo Elusive Mist and opt for Poison Mist instead, as the Major Expedition buff from Elusive and Retreating do not stack. Mist + Retreating is an excellent combination, with a really high chance of escape. It's has never been foolproof, and it shouldn't be. Every mechanic in the game must have some form of counterplay available to counter it, else the ability is the definition of "Overpowered".

ToRelax

DeanTheCat wrote: »

If you want to get the best milage out of mist, you need to couple it with an ability that grants immunity to snare/roots. Namely Retreating Maneuvers, Shuffle or Forward Momentum, with Retreating being the most costly, yet most effective option.

If you choose to use Retreating, you can forgo Elusive Mist and opt for Poison Mist instead, as the Major Expedition buff from Elusive and Retreating do not stack. Mist + Retreating is an excellent combination, with a really high chance of escape. It's has never been foolproof, and it shouldn't be. Every mechanic in the game must have some form of counterplay available to counter it, else the ability is the definition of "Overpowered".

I still wouldn't go for poison mist, not damaging the NPCs is such a nice feature of mistform over lightning form...

DeanTheCat

ToRelax wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

If you want to get the best milage out of mist, you need to couple it with an ability that grants immunity to snare/roots. Namely Retreating Maneuvers, Shuffle or Forward Momentum, with Retreating being the most costly, yet most effective option.

If you choose to use Retreating, you can forgo Elusive Mist and opt for Poison Mist instead, as the Major Expedition buff from Elusive and Retreating do not stack. Mist + Retreating is an excellent combination, with a really high chance of escape. It's has never been foolproof, and it shouldn't be. Every mechanic in the game must have some form of counterplay available to counter it, else the ability is the definition of "Overpowered".

I still wouldn't go for poison mist, not damaging the NPCs is such a nice feature of mistform over lightning form...

I was thinking more along the lines of Cyrodilic combat, not the close quarter PvP/E battles of the Imperial City/Sewers. Poison Mist + Retreating works quite nicely there

ChefZero

Mistform is useless cause of root..

chevalierknight

ChefZero wrote: »

Mistform is useless cause of root..

Then death

Lava_Croft

If you die while having 75% damage mitigation from Mist Form, I think it's a fair assumption that you would have died anyway.

Ashamray

It's not useless. There are variations:

- You can almost negate short dangerous ultimates (Meteor, Soul Assault);
- You can win some moments until your mates arrive to help;
- You can regenerate stamina while misting;
- With some luck you can mistform between mobs in IC trying to re-agro.
- Use winding way of escape: walls, arcades, galleries, doors. Imperial City is grey as mistform and it is not easy to see winding cloud: tab doesn't backlight mistform.

Reeko

People can only hit you in mist form if they cast a projectile at you just before you use mist form. I do it with Crippling Grasp all the time its funny to see that ball of smoke stop dead for a few seconds. Then i just Cloak and start spamming Concealed Weapon till they come out between mist forms to stun them and finsh them off.

olsborg

It was a good change imo, the 75% dmg reduction and cc immunity is enough.

Lettigall

Mist form, Clouding swarm they both don't are vulnerable to single target attacks. Mist form mitigates damage, CS gives fake invisibility.

Derra

HAHAHAHAHA - rly you complain ppl are now able to hit you with singletargetskills while you have 75% dmg mitigation?

Asmael

Mist form always seemed buggy to me with certain kills.

Because a Jesus beam that kills you from 40% health while you're in mist form doesn't quite look right (that was in BwB 1.6, so the recap indicates over 11k damage).

That and the fact that I lose the target lock (tab) whenever someone uses that. Very irritating...

It does have this "I need to stall an entire raid for just a few seconds" utility that is sometimes fairly handy. Or back in 1.6, just baiting people by just having 10+ guys on top of you while your mates siege them to death.

Darn, I'm missing 1.6 tactics already...

chevalierknight

Asmael wrote: »

Mist form always seemed buggy to me with certain kills.

Because a Jesus beam that kills you from 40% health while you're in mist form doesn't quite look right (that was in BwB 1.6, so the recap indicates over 11k damage).

That and the fact that I lose the target lock (tab) whenever someone uses that. Very irritating...

It does have this "I need to stall an entire raid for just a few seconds" utility that is sometimes fairly handy. Or back in 1.6, just baiting people by just having 10+ guys on top of you while your mates siege them to death.

Darn, I'm missing 1.6 tactics already...

I use mist i get jesus beamed or flying daggered noone on xbox was complaining about mist it didnt need to tuched

And most nightblades after being marked would use mist so they couldnt recast on you now they can spam mark zos nerfed solo and buffed zerg its the master plan if everyones part of the borg noone will see buggs

chevalierknight

Derra wrote: »

HAHAHAHAHA - rly you complain ppl are now able to hit you with singletargetskills while you have 75% dmg mitigation?

75% of 1000 damage means im taking 250 damage x that by zerg and skill is useless devs change it back

chevalierknight

Lettigall wrote: »

Mist form, Clouding swarm they both don't are vulnerable to single target attacks. Mist form mitigates damage, CS gives fake invisibility.

Not in 1.6 on xbox and ps4 was a good escape skill now its zerg kill you 2secs slower skill

leepalmer95

chevalierknight wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

HAHAHAHAHA - rly you complain ppl are now able to hit you with singletargetskills while you have 75% dmg mitigation?

75% of 1000 damage means im taking 250 damage x that by zerg and skill is useless devs change it back

It's not useless, you was always mean't to be able to be targeted otherwise the skill wouldn't have dmg mitigation.

chevalierknight

leepalmer95 wrote: »

chevalierknight wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

HAHAHAHAHA - rly you complain ppl are now able to hit you with singletargetskills while you have 75% dmg mitigation?

75% of 1000 damage means im taking 250 damage x that by zerg and skill is useless devs change it back

It's not useless, you was always mean't to be able to be targeted otherwise the skill wouldn't have dmg mitigation.

Aoe and you could target as they recast you still tuck in coming damage and stun with teleport grasp inbetween the skill was better then the pc skill and no one complained had its own meta the game was better for it

eliisra

It was never a bullet proof escape skill. It mitigates dmg and makes you immune to cc, I use it like a magicka version of blocking or to get some mobility.

No one gets to escape in 2.1.

The Combat Team made it fairly clear they want everyone to die to zerg. Nerfing Bolt Escape + adding Shield Breaker, nerfing perma-roll and with all current counters to Cloak, everyone running into superior numbers shall die when solo and loose 80% stones

chevalierknight

eliisra wrote: »

It was never a bullet proof escape skill. It mitigates dmg and makes you immune to cc, I use it like a magicka version of blocking or to get some mobility.

No one gets to escape in 2.1.

The Combat Team made it fairly clear they want everyone to die to zerg. Nerfing Bolt Escape + adding Shield Breaker, nerfing perma-roll and with all current counters to Cloak, everyone running into superior numbers shall die when solo and loose 80% stones

The sad thing is i like this game but when the borg become the meta everyone will move to halo or fallout and well game will die

Cormore

if you think its useless then you are pvp wrong

Tankqull

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 wrote: »

You SHOULD be able to target someone in mist form. I hate how invisibility = invincibility in this game.

And I'm a Vampire..

Mist Form never turned anyone invisible.

thats the point - it was never intended to do but efectivly does, on PC it was solvable by tab-targeting consoles never had that option turning you into invulmode to any singeltarget attack as you could not be aimed at...

ChefZero

Guy's please.. You aren't immune to CC in Mistform! You get hit by snare and roots, that's also 'Crowd Control '.