I feel so discouraged to play as a new player!!

Bigevilpeter · September 2015

With everyone talking about having 500cp or more when I have 6 and Requiring like half a million gold to craft vet 16 gear sets while i'm just barely at 50k, not to mention being lvl 17 in only blacksmithing and it takes so long to level anything up.

I feel so discouraged to play, no matter how long I play those who started first will be better than me, CP gives clear advantages for players over others which shouldn't be the cases if they want pvp to be competitive.

Also I have a job and a life, can i even play this game efficiantly without spending 8 hours a day playing?

BugCollector · September 2015

Yea, you're right, blame Paul Sage, it was his idea for the Champion System.

WebBull · September 2015

Stop worrying about everyone else. If you are having fun keep playing, if your not, don't. You are going to be behind in any game that you start a year and a half after release.

anitajoneb17_ESO · September 2015

You're just as efficient at level 20 fighting level 20 mobs as you are at VR16 fighting VR16 mobs. And you have a whole universe to explore. And all your charachter's abilities to try out and test. I envy you.

For those rerolling alts who already have CP in fact it's getting too easy, thus boring. You don't have that problem.

For PvP there is a non-vet campaign that you can participate in, most players say it's a lot of fun.

VR16 players discuss theorycrafting, DPS rates, new sets and stuff because they have nothing else left to explore in the game. That's not your case. Lucky you.

Callous2208 · September 2015

This. Also, why are you worried about end game crafting when you're not even at end game yet. You'll be sitting on dang near half a million gold just by doing all of the quests in the game. Take your time, enjoy the ride. Why worry about the people who have been playing longer than you. It's an mmo, everyone eventually catches up.

angelyn · September 2015

I too am a more casual player so I can sympathise . I think I have like..90 points max on my main ( who is v16 now)..and 70 of those came from when xp converted over into CP system. And I've been playing since beta.

Try not to get too discouraged. ZOS have said they are working on a CP catch up mechanism for us slow pokes

Regarding vet 16 gear..well I've been farming mats in IC by killing mobs. I have developed a nice stash. So you might not have to pay millions.... If you continue with your crafting you will probably be a max crafter soon. If you need a piece that you haven't researched, you can give your farmed mats to another crafter. They can craft you the basic white piece( with desired trait) and then you can upgrade it with tempers.

Or if you aren't levelled up enough in crafting but need the gear , then you could farm the mats and give them to a crafter to make for you.

And of course you can farm dungeons for set pieces ( hope that you get good rng)
PS I think I've currently got 2k

Hope this helps

Tessie · September 2015

If your only view of end-game is being a leader at PvP, then your concerns may be warranted.

If you have a view of the game that include PvE, crafting, etc then you won't be impacted nearly as much by CP or gear. The next PvE expansion is supposed to come out at the end of the year, and then end-game gear will be much more obtainable without PvP.

You can always level alts. I know some people don't enjoy that, but once you get into Silver and Gold zones you are still earning CP while leveling.

There will always be someone out there with more gold, more CP, better gear, and better skills than I have. If I let any of those stop me, I wouldn't play any MMO.

AlnilamE · September 2015

I've been playing since launch and I don't have 500 CP. I do however have maxed crafters.

Are you discouraged because you want to PvP in full V16 Gold gear? You will get there. And then ZOS will change the meta and you will be chasing the next gear set again, so really, don't worry about it too much.

Bigevilpeter · September 2015

Thanks guys for the advice, you gave me a couple of good ways to look at it. Still vetran PvP won't be for me for a long time I guess.

Still I hope they do sth with CPs since in general it is not good for balance.

a.skelton92 · September 2015

As someone previous had already stated; you cannot expect to be as good as someone that has dedicated more time than you. Investing your own time and effort is the axiom of MMORPG's. What would ever be the point in such a time consuming genre of game if people that decided to buy the game a year later, are as good as those that have already invested more of their own time playing.

Do not see it as a task or a job. When you say "can i even play this game efficiantly without spending 8 hours a day playing". Do not compare yourself to those that do. This is YOUR game, there will always be a tide of people that are in the same boat as you.

The only games that allow you to be competetive straight away are First person shooters. MMO's are not for those that think that everyone should be "equal".

MrTarkanian48 · September 2015

Also gold seems to come easier as you level up. I remember when 50k gold seemed like an almost unachievable amount given that my vendored items sold for 12g a piece. When you get higher each average dropped item can sell for between 50-100g a piece, not too mention dropped set pieces that you can sell for much more. The gold game gets easier as you go

Turelus · September 2015

This. They're working on systems to help new players catch up and the game is no where near as bad as most of what the forums/player base wants to think.

The game is fun, just go at your own pace and enjoy it. Don't let others opinions ruin it for you.

Lightninvash · September 2015

my lvl 11 crafter has over lvl 19 blacksmithing woodworking and clothing with like 4 alchemy 7 or 8 emchanting and 6 provisioning... its not that hard you just have to know ow to do it. like me I go to a certain area where I can grind mobs and get a lot of items for breaking down they also drop a lot of trash items that's how I make money whilst lvling up my crafting skills.

LordSemaj · September 2015

Has no one here ever played any of the old MMOs?

Ultima Online's grandmaster skill lines, EverQuest and its Alternate Advancement points, Dark Age of Camelot and its insanely high Realm Rank grind, this is not the first game to have secondary advancement points available in a PVP setting.

EQ2 carried forward the tradition as did RIFT. The most notable of all is perhaps EVE Online which promises ETERNAL progression. ESO is just yet another to do so. These types of points favor the EverQuesters, the players who want to play "forever" and continually have progression to do. Even now, a V16 capped character is still progressing towards his next CP.

It's clearly just a bait tactic developers came up with but it works. Players clamor for changes and some boss out there yells back "You clearly don't know how to run a profitable company!" while fiendishly devising new forms of crack for the addicts.

Hope499 · September 2015

Then dont play?

I dunno, i am a new console player and am having ZERO issues, in PvP or otherwise.

Game is easy AF, EVERYTHING needs a difficulty increase, literally, EVERYTHING.

Dngns, vet and normal, world bosses are a joke, storyline, DSA and trails.

Why is everything so damn easy? What is the difficult "end game"?

Tandor · September 2015

I've been playing most days since PC launch and don't yet have a single CP to my name. It's entirely possible to play casually, enjoy the journey, and let others race to the destination so they can complain about the lack of content and the unfairness of the CP system. It's equally possible to come to the party late and still have a good time.

Far too many players look over their shoulder at the other players when it really isn't necessary or worthwhile. Play the game the way you want to do so, and if you're having fun that's all that matters.

Aimelin · September 2015

DAoC's Realm Rank's system may have been a grind, it did sort of have it's own "catch up" system and the system itself was vastly better and more usefull than this game's CP system.

rb2001 · September 2015

Why can't you just play the game and enjoy the progression and gain of power and exploration over time?

Why do you have to have what everyone else has RIGHT NOW?

How do you manage in real life?

willymchilybily · September 2015

its a bit different if you are just starting on PC to Console. On consoles far fewer high CP guys running around, on PC there are more but on the flip side you can group with some good players and learn a lot as they have a lot of PVP experience.

as for levelling black smithing. i didnt start levelling it till i was VR8. (had clothing maxed on an alt and didnt use to wear heavy armour). its been a few weeks and i have level 50 black smith. 4 traits on every armor piece and 6 traits on a few weapons. i log in around 4 hours on an evening. bit more on a free weekend. the higher the level of gear you make and break down the more XP so dont worry you can get crafting up very quickly.

I thought like you did. i tried to PVP and got destroyed. (no battle levelling on console/v1.6 for veteran PVP) i went away got some levels read some builds. Now i can hold my own even without battle levelling in some blue quality whitestrakers gear at VR11. and when IC comes to console all will be fine.

andreasv · September 2015

You're in the wrong thread. Please use the search function for threads on game difficulties and general ranting.

Hope499 · September 2015

Sorry, please dont suspend my account Mr. moderator.

twistedmonk · September 2015

I understand completely.

If you want to compete at high level, then yes, you have to play a lot.

If you can't devote 8 hours a day for 6 months, then yeah...

Pangnirtung · September 2015

There is plenty of game before you hit veteran level.

Why does it seem that so many feel entitled to get what others have put time and effort into before them?

Like a previous poster wrote, forget about everyone else and just go out and have fun.

Casdha · September 2015

Trust me,

It won't take you no where near as long to get there as it did me and you won't have to do absolutely everything to do it either like I and pretty much everyone else did that started at launch. Consider yourself lucky if your goal is to hit lvl cap. You have a lot easier road ahead of you than the folks did that started at launch.

Edit: I should have said everything and hours of grinding to boot.

Tors · September 2015

A number of things don't make much sense here in your post. Why would you want to craft Vet 16 gear when you are nowhere near Vet 16?

Are you even Vet 3 yet?

Even if you were in the position to wear this stuff, why would you buy the materials instead of getting them yourself?

It looks like you just want it all now, which is fine, but not the structure that MMORPGs play within.

I think you need to play a different type of game entirely

Kupoking · September 2015

to OP

Find a nice guild. You find plenty of people to help you with gear.

As of the CP, hold on! the new administration at ZoS is working on it. A way for newer player to catch up faster and to slow down the most seasoned.

MyM16sHot · September 2015

Don't be discouraged man, my PVP character is a lvl 15 Dragon Knight and I can slap around some lvl 45 players like nothing. I've even held my own against 2 or 3. PVP is ALL SKILL and having a build that works for you.

Chieve · September 2015

Why do people always think since you work full time and have a life that means you cant play.

That's like saying everyone who plays eso has no life.

I pay $15 a month for eso plus and I have a life, in a relationship (meaning we are dedicated to spend any minute we have free together), go to school full time, work part time, and go to the gym.

How do I have time for eso? Time management.

There are weeks I don't log on at all, but I usually get a day or two out of it. I enjoy eso and video games in geberal, just because you work full time and have a life doesn't mean you can't manage your time

Also, you don't need to level when you play, if you enjoy questing, pvp, crafting, what ever it is, you can log on and do what ever, and do what ever you have time for...usually when I play eso I play for an hour at night before I go to bed...I should of finished everything I had to get done before then.

Again, just because mmos are a time consuming process doesn't mean you aren't making anyour progress in leveling when you quest or what ever.

Lord Xanhorn · September 2015

Don't worry about what everyone else has. You're currently worried about things that may never affect you.

Peel_Ya_Cap_517 · September 2015

Troll post

LordSemaj · September 2015

My PVP character was level 15 once... I would turn into a Werewolf and eat the face of anyone who jumped me.

Because I had more skills than them. One more skill to be exact. The right one.