Magicka DK needs an execute

MaximillianDiE

Our damage is fine as its decent sustain with whips, and stacked dots, however the number of times I've got someone to really low health and have them heal/vigour/shield straight back up to full as can't push that final amount is getting really frustrating. An execute would make a world of difference as right now.

Paradox

We have one, Molten Armaments. It's extremely powerful, if you can complete a full heavy attack without being CCd or the person roll dodging... or blocking... or mist forming... or cloaking...

Oh, right... it's useless.

Auricle

I agree. I could probably get past all the not-so-great skills for my magicka DK if Molten Armaments was an instant cast execute ability... I don't think it's a lot to ask for, honestly.

puffy99

dragons leap, dawnbreaker or 3rd choice soul assault- main choices I see if you have the time before you die..

Zsymon

puffy99 wrote: »

dragons leap, dawnbreaker or 3rd choice soul assault- main choices I see if you have the time before you die..

Ultimates cost ultimate, they're hardly executes.

Armitas

Paradox wrote: »

We have one, Molten Armaments. It's extremely powerful, if you can complete a full heavy attack without being CCd or the person roll dodging... or blocking... or mist forming... or cloaking...

Oh, right... it's useless.

Yep and its just as bad in PvE now because of the full heavy requirement. You either get ccd, red circled, have to block, or boss dies while your still charging. Whoever made this, and then nerfed it in 1.7 is working in a vacuum, even worse they are just flat out not hearing any of our feedback, through two PTS's completely ignored.

No idea why this change was needed, especially after all the feedback on the original. Apparently we were "having fun...incorrectly."

Cuyler

+1

Molten armaments will most likely not be on my bar anymore ZOS basically took a useful skill and threw it in the trash. And it's the execute gg. Templars can do 20k+ damage in <1 second with radiant oppression, DK execute take 2.5s to even charge and it's not continuous like RO #where'sthebalance @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_JasonLeavey @ZOS_RichLambert

Armitas

Can we get whoever gave templars a Farsight XR20 laser rifle to redo this execute?

Tonturri

Hopefully they revert the changes to Molten Weapons/morphs (I probably got the skill name wrong). I loved medium attack weaving.

JDar

I like the idea, something like this comes to mind for DK's

Armitas

JDar wrote: »

I like the idea, something like this comes to mind for DK's

Ah that reminds of this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya2AIA6sn5I

Would love to see Pandas fix happen for DK chains.

Yonkit wrote: »

Fire Torrent - Encase yourself in flames and flash to your enemy, knocking them down and stunning them for 2s. Deals 2k fire damage at base value, same cost as chains. Same range as every other charge/teleport, 24m. (Think of it as bolt escape for Dks, but it's fire instead of lightning, and requires a target. It would fall under a teleport ability and and not a charge.)

Armitas

Molten Armaments is now a DPS loss in PvE...Even with weighted it's a huge dps loss. Thanks a lot, this is exactly what the DK needed.

tinythinker

Soon, every buff in the game will require a fully charged heavy attack. Start practicing.

Alucardo

tinythinker wrote: »

Soon, every buff in the game will require a fully charged heavy attack. Start practicing.

I hope not. I literally caved in my left mouse button from overpressing to regenerate magicka using my resto staff. It's a cheapo mouse, but still

Armitas

Alucardo wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

Soon, every buff in the game will require a fully charged heavy attack. Start practicing.

I hope not. I literally caved in my left mouse button from overpressing to regenerate magicka using my resto staff. It's a cheapo mouse, but still

If you have another cheapo mouse the buttons are swappable with a soldering iron. I saved a 60 dollar discontinued mouse with that.

Ishammael

Armitas wrote: »

Molten Armaments is now a DPS loss in PvE...Even with weighted it's a huge dps loss. Thanks a lot, this is exactly what the DK needed.

Molten armaments needs to be scrapped and replaced. It's awful. Why can't it just be a static spell, fir, or wpn dmg buff?

Same with inferno. Talk about redundant and useless.

Xsorus

The fact that it's a dps loss in execute phase should tell how bad it is, it was an actual good ability in 1.5 and slowly is being made worse

Sithisvoid

Yeah I'm really not liking my magika DK now that i rolled a sorc. No execute, limited ranged dps and the dark elf extra fire dmg doesn't go as far as I thought. Oh well he is a champ of a crafter lulz

Kahen40k

Can we just have it back like it was in 1.5 and maybe add some extra damage on target below 25%? Or let it last like 30 sec and work on medium weaving, because now is notthing more than a waste of a skill point

MaximillianDiE

The other thing while we are at it that would be useful would be a working gap closer as chains is so buggy when it works its a lottery as to where you end up. I'm actually liking my magicka DK - great dps, but the lack of an execute and a reliable gap closer which doesn't require s&b or 2hander - which are both better suited to a stam build.

Draxys

Replace the molten BS with an actual execute, and trash the empowered morph of chains for a magicka gap closer like the Templar one

Forestd16b14_ESO

Molten Armaments isn't useless I gotten some pretty awesome kills with it in Cyrodiil resently. You just need to know how to use it correctly. But it could use to some buffs like maybe both light and heavy attacks get the bonus and maybe cost less or have a stamina morph.

Paradox

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Molten Armaments isn't useless I gotten some pretty awesome kills with it in Cyrodiil resently. You just need to know how to use it correctly. But it could use to some buffs like maybe both light and heavy attacks get the bonus and maybe cost less or have a stamina morph.

We are the only class without a real execution skill. We need something useful, not some PoS ability that takes more than 2 seconds to cast.

SkylarkAU

Zsymon wrote: »

puffy99 wrote: »

dragons leap, dawnbreaker or 3rd choice soul assault- main choices I see if you have the time before you die..

Ultimates cost ultimate, they're hardly executes.

Dks have the best ulti regen in the game & the best class ultimates - true story

Poxheart

Armitas wrote: »

Ah that reminds of this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ya2AIA6sn5I

Would love to see Pandas fix happen for DK chains.

Had not seen that before. So damn true. I stopped putting a point into chains because the skill has been worthless for over a year now.

Alucardo

Armitas wrote: »

If you have another cheapo mouse the buttons are swappable with a soldering iron. I saved a 60 dollar discontinued mouse with that.

Hah, thanks for the tip. I'm currently short a soldering iron and another mouse. I'm so cheap I just rest the button back on there, so it sometimes comes off during a fight which can be rather beneficial to my opponent.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Paradox wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Molten Armaments isn't useless I gotten some pretty awesome kills with it in Cyrodiil resently. You just need to know how to use it correctly. But it could use to some buffs like maybe both light and heavy attacks get the bonus and maybe cost less or have a stamina morph.

We are the only class without a real execution skill. We need something useful, not some PoS ability that takes more than 2 seconds to cast.

I know but Molten Armaments isn't as bad as some are saying but yes it does need some boost like reduce cost last longer (with out having to morph it to the other one) and applie both to light and heavy attacks that way you can say use light bow attacks for that rapid fire power attacks.... plus you can stack that with the Champion system expert passive which is what I am doing.

10% boost to bladed weapons heavy attacks + Gold level Greatsword + rally 20% weapon boost + that 190% damage bonus VS -50% health enemies can deal some serious damage plus 2H passive follow up boost your following light attack up buy another 20% can finish off the person before they can heal.

MaximillianDiE

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Molten Armaments isn't useless I gotten some pretty awesome kills with it in Cyrodiil resently. You just need to know how to use it correctly. But it could use to some buffs like maybe both light and heavy attacks get the bonus and maybe cost less or have a stamina morph.

We are the only class without a real execution skill. We need something useful, not some PoS ability that takes more than 2 seconds to cast.

I know but Molten Armaments isn't as bad as some are saying but yes it does need some boost like reduce cost last longer (with out having to morph it to the other one) and applie both to light and heavy attacks that way you can say use light bow attacks for that rapid fire power attacks.... plus you can stack that with the Champion system expert passive which is what I am doing.

10% boost to bladed weapons heavy attacks + Gold level Greatsword + rally 20% weapon boost + that 190% damage bonus VS -50% health enemies can deal some serious damage plus 2H passive follow up boost your following light attack up buy another 20% can finish off the person before they can heal.

Yes we know stamina DKs have access to an effective finisher in the 2H. Magicka DKs do not yet unfortunately.

Forestd16b14_ESO

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Molten Armaments isn't useless I gotten some pretty awesome kills with it in Cyrodiil resently. You just need to know how to use it correctly. But it could use to some buffs like maybe both light and heavy attacks get the bonus and maybe cost less or have a stamina morph.

We are the only class without a real execution skill. We need something useful, not some PoS ability that takes more than 2 seconds to cast.

I know but Molten Armaments isn't as bad as some are saying but yes it does need some boost like reduce cost last longer (with out having to morph it to the other one) and applie both to light and heavy attacks that way you can say use light bow attacks for that rapid fire power attacks.... plus you can stack that with the Champion system expert passive which is what I am doing.

10% boost to bladed weapons heavy attacks + Gold level Greatsword + rally 20% weapon boost + that 190% damage bonus VS -50% health enemies can deal some serious damage plus 2H passive follow up boost your following light attack up buy another 20% can finish off the person before they can heal.

Yes we know stamina DKs have access to an effective finisher in the 2H. Magicka DKs do not yet unfortunately.

? I didn't mention anything about stamina DKs or the execute skill from the 2H skill line. You can still have a massive boost to heavy attacks from Molten Armaments with the expert passives in the Champion system. So say a extra 10% staff damage plus that 190% is a 200% heavy attack damage boost and stack that with any penetration passives and that can be a very effective execute.

MaximillianDiE

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Molten Armaments isn't useless I gotten some pretty awesome kills with it in Cyrodiil resently. You just need to know how to use it correctly. But it could use to some buffs like maybe both light and heavy attacks get the bonus and maybe cost less or have a stamina morph.

We are the only class without a real execution skill. We need something useful, not some PoS ability that takes more than 2 seconds to cast.

I know but Molten Armaments isn't as bad as some are saying but yes it does need some boost like reduce cost last longer (with out having to morph it to the other one) and applie both to light and heavy attacks that way you can say use light bow attacks for that rapid fire power attacks.... plus you can stack that with the Champion system expert passive which is what I am doing.

10% boost to bladed weapons heavy attacks + Gold level Greatsword + rally 20% weapon boost + that 190% damage bonus VS -50% health enemies can deal some serious damage plus 2H passive follow up boost your following light attack up buy another 20% can finish off the person before they can heal.

Yes we know stamina DKs have access to an effective finisher in the 2H. Magicka DKs do not yet unfortunately.

? I didn't mention anything about stamina DKs or the execute skill from the 2H skill line. You can still have a massive boost to heavy attacks from Molten Armaments with the expert passives in the Champion system. So say a extra 10% staff damage plus that 190% is a 200% heavy attack damage boost and stack that with any penetration passives and that can be a very effective execute.

Yeah sorry - I misread what you are doing to be part of your comment in relation to the lack of an execute as a whole.

Forestd16b14_ESO

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

MaximillianDiE wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Paradox wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Molten Armaments isn't useless I gotten some pretty awesome kills with it in Cyrodiil resently. You just need to know how to use it correctly. But it could use to some buffs like maybe both light and heavy attacks get the bonus and maybe cost less or have a stamina morph.

We are the only class without a real execution skill. We need something useful, not some PoS ability that takes more than 2 seconds to cast.

I know but Molten Armaments isn't as bad as some are saying but yes it does need some boost like reduce cost last longer (with out having to morph it to the other one) and applie both to light and heavy attacks that way you can say use light bow attacks for that rapid fire power attacks.... plus you can stack that with the Champion system expert passive which is what I am doing.

10% boost to bladed weapons heavy attacks + Gold level Greatsword + rally 20% weapon boost + that 190% damage bonus VS -50% health enemies can deal some serious damage plus 2H passive follow up boost your following light attack up buy another 20% can finish off the person before they can heal.

Yes we know stamina DKs have access to an effective finisher in the 2H. Magicka DKs do not yet unfortunately.

? I didn't mention anything about stamina DKs or the execute skill from the 2H skill line. You can still have a massive boost to heavy attacks from Molten Armaments with the expert passives in the Champion system. So say a extra 10% staff damage plus that 190% is a 200% heavy attack damage boost and stack that with any penetration passives and that can be a very effective execute.

Yeah sorry - I misread what you are doing to be part of your comment in relation to the lack of an execute as a whole.

Tis ok my friend but the point does stand Molten Armaments can be a very good execute but you do need to meet some silly standers such as I said of a gold level Greatsword with atleast 10% bonus damage from the Atronach skill line with the experts passives with a 20% weapon boost from rally. Helps stamina and melee DKs and I guess maybe magic DKs if you do it right.

Like me being a mostly a Stamina user I can't exactly spam molten armaments every time it wears off which is every 9 seconds.