Heed my Warning Zenimax...

UltimaJoe777

You've got less than 2 weeks before the Imperial City DLC and Patch launch on consoles. Please work on fixing the lag and crash issues before that day arrives or else the game may become unplayable, and I mean both the current and what we can expect from the patch. This warning is based on what I've been hearing from PC players that are dealing with this stuff at a higher rate due to the patch and is already bad on consoles.

miked83b14_ESO

Nice. Now ZOS knows to look into it.

Huggalump

HEAR YE HEAR YE, THUS SPAKE ULTIMAJOE777

Kaitona

Huggernaut

UltimaJoe777

Mock me if you will but based on the increased frequency of random crashes after the server downtimes despite the patch they implemented that was supposed to reduce its frequency and the latency involved when loading menus, maps, etc. after the last content patch we already experience on consoles that PC players now experience there's a lot to be concerned about for when the IC patch hits consoles.

NadiusMaximus

Lag has been proven to be caused by everyone being in small tight places, like in keeps.
This had already been fixed by ZOS telling us to spread out and not group up.
No more than four or five players should try to take a flag at one time.
Players that still experience lag, should unplug their router, then plug it back in. This seems to be the universal ZOS fix for lag problems.

Also, in order to fight the problem, ZOS has released added areas to Cyrodil which are small cramped areas, like in keeps, but will not have lag because they said it wouldn't. This is based on the same theory as eventually getting rid of Veteran levels by adding more Veteran levels. The basis being it works for us, because we say it works for us.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

ZoS: Guys don't zerg up break apart and spread out.
Game's Meta: one healer per 6 players, stack and AoE spam
ZoS: don't stack on the flags it causes lag.
Game's Meta: if it lags stack more people on the flag to lag take it
ZoS: stacking and AoE spamming makes the lag worst.
Players on both sides: AoE > light attack > heal > repeat till lag or lag lose.

uso245

I came back to the game yesterday wanting to see what this *polished* version of the PTS looks like and it seems like it is worse off now then it was on PTS.

UltimaJoe777

NadiusMaximus wrote: »

Lag has been proven to be caused by everyone being in small tight places, like in keeps.
This had already been fixed by ZOS telling us to spread out and not group up.
No more than four or five players should try to take a flag at one time.
Players that still experience lag, should unplug their router, then plug it back in. This seems to be the universal ZOS fix for lag problems.

Also, in order to fight the problem, ZOS has released added areas to Cyrodil which are small cramped areas, like in keeps, but will not have lag because they said it wouldn't. This is based on the same theory as eventually getting rid of Veteran levels by adding more Veteran levels. The basis being it works for us, because we say it works for us.

This isn't the lag I was talking about. It's how long it takes NPCs, Crafting Stations, menu icons, maps, and other things to load upon logging in that is the issue. It has been reported by PC players that this began happening to them upon the arrival of the IC patch and this has already been happening on console since the last time consoles got a content patch. If I am mistaken then fine but that still needs fixing regardless...

As for regular lag I do experience that sometimes but I do not connect wirelessly. It also isn't just me and it occurs in dungeons with few people around. It is not too laggy though but hopefully that does not become an issue too...

BlackEar

NadiusMaximus wrote: »

Lag has been proven to be caused by everyone being in small tight places, like in keeps.
This had already been fixed by ZOS telling us to spread out and not group up.
No more than four or five players should try to take a flag at one time.
Players that still experience lag, should unplug their router, then plug it back in. This seems to be the universal ZOS fix for lag problems.

Also, in order to fight the problem, ZOS has released added areas to Cyrodil which are small cramped areas, like in keeps, but will not have lag because they said it wouldn't. This is based on the same theory as eventually getting rid of Veteran levels by adding more Veteran levels. The basis being it works for us, because we say it works for us.

Wh.. what?

Molag_Crow

Xeniph

I'll be honest here.

Aside from my total distain for IC and the myriad of bad changes I think were implemented in this patch, I have yet to experience any of the issues some are having. I also have yet to see anyone streaming have any. Which leads me to believe that they must be limited to a few people with certain configurations. So I don't think you have anything to worry about as all console players have the same hardware.

With that said, as a PC player, beta testing this game for console players for over a year and continuing to do so. All while paying a subscription. You can just suck it up and drive on if it does have issue when released.

NDwarf

I didn't see a console test server for Imp City. Right now Cyrodiil crashes a lot for myself and other Ps4 players (look at the tech support forums). It's been unstable since release with 1 patch on Ps4 to make crashing "less frequent."

A DLC set in Cyrodiil, the Land of Constant Blue Screen of Deaths. I have a bad feeling about this...

I'm holding off on buying Imp City DLC until reviews come in. If it performs bad on PC I can only imagine it's going to cause consoles to implode pulling gamers into a black hole of blue screens of death. A blue colored, parallel universe with bricked Ps4's, empty mountain dew cans, and neckbeared gamers floating around.

AJ_1988

Don't get IC. this game will be dead in a month of so. More screw ups after more screw ups from the devs. Just wait you will see I wonder if any actually play the console versions and actually pvp? PTS is not the same as live.

UltimaJoe777

AJ_1988 wrote: »

Don't get IC. this game will be dead in a month of so. More screw ups after more screw ups from the devs. Just wait you will see I wonder if any actually play the console versions and actually pvp? PTS is not the same as live.

Believe it or not the playerbase does not revolve around your opinions of the game and Zenimax. At most a handful of people agree with you but the majority enjoy the game and there is plenty of PvP on consoles. It's not going anywhere anytime soon.

Xeniph wrote: »

I'll be honest here.

Aside from my total distain for IC and the myriad of bad changes I think were implemented in this patch, I have yet to experience any of the issues some are having. I also have yet to see anyone streaming have any. Which leads me to believe that they must be limited to a few people with certain configurations. So I don't think you have anything to worry about as all console players have the same hardware.

With that said, as a PC player, beta testing this game for console players for over a year and continuing to do so. All while paying a subscription. You can just suck it up and drive on if it does have issue when released.

Let's hope you're right... If the patch makes things worse than they already are it will be hell trying to play...

zornyan

AJ_1988 wrote: »

Don't get IC. this game will be dead in a month of so. More screw ups after more screw ups from the devs. Just wait you will see I wonder if any actually play the console versions and actually pvp? PTS is not the same as live.

That's what people said... A year and a half ago!

Please tell.me of your abilities to predict the future. Such an overused term, really isn't "destiny will be dead before a year is up" yet more people are buying it, "ESO will be dead within a year, yet over a year later console release is huge, myself and many others are also happy subbers.

Lag isn't really that bad for me in cyrodlil on a 4mbs connection, I've just today gotten a 40mb connection and it's running pretty sweet.

There is a bug causing blue screen of death, but all you have to do is leave the voice chat, Zero crashes after that. Use psn chat instead.

Inactive Account

zornyan wrote: »

AJ_1988 wrote: »

Don't get IC. this game will be dead in a month of so. More screw ups after more screw ups from the devs. Just wait you will see I wonder if any actually play the console versions and actually pvp? PTS is not the same as live.

That's what people said... A year and a half ago!

Please tell.me of your abilities to predict the future. Such an overused term, really isn't "destiny will be dead before a year is up" yet more people are buying it, "ESO will be dead within a year, yet over a year later console release is huge, myself and many others are also happy subbers.

Lag isn't really that bad for me in cyrodlil on a 4mbs connection, I've just today gotten a 40mb connection and it's running pretty sweet.

There is a bug causing blue screen of death, but all you have to do is leave the voice chat, Zero crashes after that. Use psn chat instead.

Well maybe ESO won't die in a month, but as you say " that's what people said a year and a half ago"... the ONLY thing that saved the game was it going B2P.
That brought a big influx of new players, but also brought in the Cash Shop. With items that many still feel are P2W items Su h as the Xp sscroll. With this latest patch those items are almost a must now for anyone trying to level/catch up.

ESOTU is a mess again, worse than it has been in it's short life. What are they going to do this time to "save" it?
Go F2P?

This DLC is nowhere large or deep enough to keep people interested.

Zos has already been suprised by the number of people canceling their plus membership and the number of people just simply uninstalling the game client.

JD2013

nobertpaulb16_ESO wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

AJ_1988 wrote: »

Don't get IC. this game will be dead in a month of so. More screw ups after more screw ups from the devs. Just wait you will see I wonder if any actually play the console versions and actually pvp? PTS is not the same as live.

That's what people said... A year and a half ago!

Please tell.me of your abilities to predict the future. Such an overused term, really isn't "destiny will be dead before a year is up" yet more people are buying it, "ESO will be dead within a year, yet over a year later console release is huge, myself and many others are also happy subbers.

Lag isn't really that bad for me in cyrodlil on a 4mbs connection, I've just today gotten a 40mb connection and it's running pretty sweet.

There is a bug causing blue screen of death, but all you have to do is leave the voice chat, Zero crashes after that. Use psn chat instead.

Well maybe ESO won't die in a month, but as you say " that's what people said a year and a half ago"... the ONLY thing that saved the game was it going B2P.
That brought a big influx of new players, but also brought in the Cash Shop. With items that many still feel are P2W items Su h as the Xp sscroll. With this latest patch those items are almost a must now for anyone trying to level/catch up.

ESOTU is a mess again, worse than it has been in it's short life. What are they going to do this time to "save" it?
Go F2P?

This DLC is nowhere large or deep enough to keep people interested.

Zos has already been suprised by the number of people canceling their plus membership and the number of people just simply uninstalling the game client.

Ah the wonderful armchair doomsayers strike again.

If this isn't large enough, good thing there's another DLC out likely November or December.

purple-magicb16_ESO

If they're not ready to release the patch on console, they'll just delay it until its ready. No biggie. /shrug

Inactive Account

JD2013 wrote: »

nobertpaulb16_ESO wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

AJ_1988 wrote: »

Don't get IC. this game will be dead in a month of so. More screw ups after more screw ups from the devs. Just wait you will see I wonder if any actually play the console versions and actually pvp? PTS is not the same as live.

That's what people said... A year and a half ago!

Please tell.me of your abilities to predict the future. Such an overused term, really isn't "destiny will be dead before a year is up" yet more people are buying it, "ESO will be dead within a year, yet over a year later console release is huge, myself and many others are also happy subbers.

Lag isn't really that bad for me in cyrodlil on a 4mbs connection, I've just today gotten a 40mb connection and it's running pretty sweet.

There is a bug causing blue screen of death, but all you have to do is leave the voice chat, Zero crashes after that. Use psn chat instead.

Well maybe ESO won't die in a month, but as you say " that's what people said a year and a half ago"... the ONLY thing that saved the game was it going B2P.
That brought a big influx of new players, but also brought in the Cash Shop. With items that many still feel are P2W items Su h as the Xp sscroll. With this latest patch those items are almost a must now for anyone trying to level/catch up.

ESOTU is a mess again, worse than it has been in it's short life. What are they going to do this time to "save" it?
Go F2P?

This DLC is nowhere large or deep enough to keep people interested.

Zos has already been suprised by the number of people canceling their plus membership and the number of people just simply uninstalling the game client.

Ah the wonderful armchair doomsayers strike again.

If this isn't large enough, good thing there's another DLC out likely November or December.

Sure there is, because they always deliver on their promises.

JD2013

nobertpaulb16_ESO wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

nobertpaulb16_ESO wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

AJ_1988 wrote: »

Don't get IC. this game will be dead in a month of so. More screw ups after more screw ups from the devs. Just wait you will see I wonder if any actually play the console versions and actually pvp? PTS is not the same as live.

That's what people said... A year and a half ago!

Please tell.me of your abilities to predict the future. Such an overused term, really isn't "destiny will be dead before a year is up" yet more people are buying it, "ESO will be dead within a year, yet over a year later console release is huge, myself and many others are also happy subbers.

Lag isn't really that bad for me in cyrodlil on a 4mbs connection, I've just today gotten a 40mb connection and it's running pretty sweet.

There is a bug causing blue screen of death, but all you have to do is leave the voice chat, Zero crashes after that. Use psn chat instead.

Well maybe ESO won't die in a month, but as you say " that's what people said a year and a half ago"... the ONLY thing that saved the game was it going B2P.
That brought a big influx of new players, but also brought in the Cash Shop. With items that many still feel are P2W items Su h as the Xp sscroll. With this latest patch those items are almost a must now for anyone trying to level/catch up.

ESOTU is a mess again, worse than it has been in it's short life. What are they going to do this time to "save" it?
Go F2P?

This DLC is nowhere large or deep enough to keep people interested.

Zos has already been suprised by the number of people canceling their plus membership and the number of people just simply uninstalling the game client.

Ah the wonderful armchair doomsayers strike again.

If this isn't large enough, good thing there's another DLC out likely November or December.

Sure there is, because they always deliver on their promises.

I'm not saying they do. However if they don't stick to quarterly DLC then this game really will disappear. This is it for them. It's on consoles so no more backup platforms. So I think they'll have to.

Inactive Account

JD2013 wrote: »

nobertpaulb16_ESO wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

nobertpaulb16_ESO wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

AJ_1988 wrote: »

Don't get IC. this game will be dead in a month of so. More screw ups after more screw ups from the devs. Just wait you will see I wonder if any actually play the console versions and actually pvp? PTS is not the same as live.

That's what people said... A year and a half ago!

Please tell.me of your abilities to predict the future. Such an overused term, really isn't "destiny will be dead before a year is up" yet more people are buying it, "ESO will be dead within a year, yet over a year later console release is huge, myself and many others are also happy subbers.

Lag isn't really that bad for me in cyrodlil on a 4mbs connection, I've just today gotten a 40mb connection and it's running pretty sweet.

There is a bug causing blue screen of death, but all you have to do is leave the voice chat, Zero crashes after that. Use psn chat instead.

Well maybe ESO won't die in a month, but as you say " that's what people said a year and a half ago"... the ONLY thing that saved the game was it going B2P.
That brought a big influx of new players, but also brought in the Cash Shop. With items that many still feel are P2W items Su h as the Xp sscroll. With this latest patch those items are almost a must now for anyone trying to level/catch up.

ESOTU is a mess again, worse than it has been in it's short life. What are they going to do this time to "save" it?
Go F2P?

This DLC is nowhere large or deep enough to keep people interested.

Zos has already been suprised by the number of people canceling their plus membership and the number of people just simply uninstalling the game client.

Ah the wonderful armchair doomsayers strike again.

If this isn't large enough, good thing there's another DLC out likely November or December.

Sure there is, because they always deliver on their promises.

I'm not saying they do. However if they don't stick to quarterly DLC then this game really will disappear. This is it for them. It's on consoles so no more backup platforms. So I think they'll have to.

I agree with you on that point 100%

MissBizz

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

NadiusMaximus wrote: »

Lag has been proven to be caused by everyone being in small tight places, like in keeps.
This had already been fixed by ZOS telling us to spread out and not group up.
No more than four or five players should try to take a flag at one time.
Players that still experience lag, should unplug their router, then plug it back in. This seems to be the universal ZOS fix for lag problems.

Also, in order to fight the problem, ZOS has released added areas to Cyrodil which are small cramped areas, like in keeps, but will not have lag because they said it wouldn't. This is based on the same theory as eventually getting rid of Veteran levels by adding more Veteran levels. The basis being it works for us, because we say it works for us.

This isn't the lag I was talking about. It's how long it takes NPCs, Crafting Stations, menu icons, maps, and other things to load upon logging in that is the issue. It has been reported by PC players that this began happening to them upon the arrival of the IC patch and this has already been happening on console since the last time consoles got a content patch. If I am mistaken then fine but that still needs fixing regardless...

As for regular lag I do experience that sometimes but I do not connect wirelessly. It also isn't just me and it occurs in dungeons with few people around. It is not too laggy though but hopefully that does not become an issue too...

Just throwing in my 2 cents here, take it as you want.

I purchased this game 2 weeks after PC launch. I had a less than optimal (but above minimum spec) laptop I was playing on. I would fall through floors because the floor didn't load by the time I ran to it. I would need to wait for walls/crafting stations/NPC's and everything else to load. I also had to play on low/med settings with much of the "fancy things" turned off.

Fast forward a couple months. I built myself a desktop that was well above the needed requirements for the game. No, I don't have 4 GPU's or the absolute top of the line CPU, but it is MUCH better than that old laptop, and MORE than fine to play any games I play. Know what? I never fall through floors, I never need to wait for NPC's to spawn etc. As well, I get to play on Ultra (although I choose to play mostly on high due to my streaming)

What I'm getting it is seeing PC players complaints can be HEAVILY influenced by their system. Sure, I am experiencing longer than usual load screens, and some stutters. That doesn't mean it's "doomed". The longer than usual load screens have happened before on new big updates, and they were fixed. As well, PC players often (not always) have add-ons which also can heavily influence their experience in game, sometimes I'd rather use ym add-on and put up with a small stutter than give it up to have no stutter. The better of two evils I guess With console, they are working with a pretty standardized system.. they don't have to account for the million different combinations a PC can have. Sure, maybe it could use some optimization as is for console, but I'm sure it's something they will continue to work on.

mrskinskull

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Mock me if you will but based on the increased frequency of random crashes after the server downtimes despite the patch they implemented that was supposed to reduce its frequency and the latency involved when loading menus, maps, etc. after the last content patch we already experience on consoles that PC players now experience there's a lot to be concerned about for when the IC patch hits consoles.

I was thinking that this may bother people more now that telvar stones are loot able.

They must be working on it though.

DaniAngione

I'm not even in North America but my game runs smooth as butter on the NA server. No lag on IC, no crashes, nothing.

Most people I know have no issues either. I do know one or two people with these issues, though.... So it seems that they like to spread chaos around the world with their doomsaying but they're pretty much experiencing the issue on their end, not the game's fault.

Of course, optimization and means of reducing lag is always important :P But I think that the people experiencing the problem enjoy painting it far greater than it actually is. (Though I understand, I mean, I'd be frustrated too. I just wouldn't go around spreading news about the end of the world just because *I* have a problem)

Xendyn

mrskinskull wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Mock me if you will but based on the increased frequency of random crashes after the server downtimes despite the patch they implemented that was supposed to reduce its frequency and the latency involved when loading menus, maps, etc. after the last content patch we already experience on consoles that PC players now experience there's a lot to be concerned about for when the IC patch hits consoles.

I was thinking that this may bother people more now that telvar stones are loot able.

They must be working on it though.

That's it! It's a Distraction!


Not sure where that Doom guy came from but there's always a couple of those around.
I do agree with the OP that if there are those kinds of issues on console, they'll be screaming bloody murder.
They already have base performance issues...throw this on top? smh

mistermutiny89

If the Imperial City patch is broken PLEASE don't release it to consoles until it is fixed. The outrage of delivering a half done job will be far greater than say another month wait to polish up any issues. PLEASE be realistic and honest about the release. If it's not working, cancel the certification and get to work in your own time so that we the consumers PAYING for this DLC are getting quality for our purchase.

I asked nicely. I get a free rant on here if the game becomes unplayable on September 15th. Deal? Cool.

AngryNord

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

If they're not ready to release the patch on console, they'll just delay it until its ready. No biggie. /shrug

Where's that "LoL"-button when you need it...

Techlisp

Going in to wait and see mode before I throw money at the PS4 version of IC.

But looking how unstable PvP is at the moment on PS4 EU, I am not hopeful.

purple-magicb16_ESO

AngryNord wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

If they're not ready to release the patch on console, they'll just delay it until its ready. No biggie. /shrug

Where's that "LoL"-button when you need it...

Yeah, you're rite. I should know better by now. I just find programmers without logic so contradictory.