Magicka DPs Nightblade tips?

FlounderOG

I had a stambow NB that kept getting rekd by magicka nbs, So I decided to make one myself.

Any advice as far as skills are concerned?

So far I have light armor, and I havent picked a weapon yet. (I have dual weild but no skills or passives)

I recently saw syphers build with the resto shieldstack and destro pound build and found it very attractive. Is this viable sub vet?

FlounderOG

I'm a high elf if that helps.

SirAndy

After today's stamina nerf hammer, i bet this topic will come up a lot over the next few weeks. There are thousands of NB out there asking the exact same question right now.

revonine

Think Sypher said awhile ago that his original magicka nightblade build wasn't as effective anymore because of the stacking of nirn, but with the changes to nirn now it's probably viable again. Sub vet I imagine it's pretty viable to run yeah as it does't rely on burst anyway.
I actually run a slightly modified version of this but on consoles (where nirn isn't everywhere) and I've been pretty successful with it and it's so much fun. My advice would be too use an established build like syphers as a template and change some skills around that you feel comfortable with.

FlounderOG

revonine wrote: »

Think Sypher said awhile ago that his original magicka nightblade build wasn't as effective anymore because of the stacking of nirn, but with the changes to nirn now it's probably viable again. Sub vet I imagine it's pretty viable to run yeah as it does't rely on burst anyway.
I actually run a slightly modified version of this but on consoles (where nirn isn't everywhere) and I've been pretty successful with it and it's so much fun. My advice would be too use an established build like syphers as a template and change some skills around that you feel comfortable with.

I tried the destro staff last night and it seemed to work very well. Im still tweaking and unlocking, but I hope to have a better build soon.

So far its doing well, but I am limited as far as what i can do at my level.

Olen_Mikko

Get a cup of coffee, lay back and start reading, i'm giving all info i can and have with magicka NBs!

I have breton Magicka NB and it is viable as it is fun to play with!

It has survivability and mobility, with good dps.

I have destro staff / resto staff with these in PvP:

1. Concealed weapon
2. Swallow soul (i'm gicing new lotus fan a change, let's see if that will do good dps)
3. Destructive reach (flame staff for knockback)
4. Fear (ofc)
5. dark cloak
Ultimate dawnbreaker

Resto bar

1. Rapid regeneration
2. Crippling grasp (for speed buff)
3. Double take (for speed buff)
4. Immovable (heavy armor ability)
5. Harness Magicka (light armor ability)
Ultimate soul strike

I have 5 light 2 heavy armor with infused trait and all attributes to magicka.

4 pcs Seducer
4 pcs magnus gift
3 pcs (2 ring 1 necklace) warlock set

There is still some good variations, with skills if you like to play melee, then replacing swallow soul with drain power would be nice heal and dps skill, asi it is also an AoE spam

Note that you still can't take much of beating and you need to know, when to get out. These skills gives nice speed boost and with good magicka recovery, you can stay invisible and run like Usain Bolt.

chevalierknight

I use the umbra build solid place to start from

JDar

Use Cloak + Concealed Weapon

Even more effective now that people are either dropping block more to regen stamina (making successful stuns more likely) or outright running low on stamina ( which means they won't be able to break free).

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

After tonights testing i've gone with the following as my build for Solo/Duo. It wont suit everyone and depends a lot on your playstyle but working nicely for me late on tonight,
http://goo.gl/ZgP8Jy

(note: mark target can be replaced by teleport shade if you want to, I didnt want to spam detect pots as they feel to have a very short duration with the TTK now)

Its a nice balance of burst and sustain imo. It will probs change as it only based off 1 days gameplay but don't mind sharing it. You can ask me questions etc if you want to. If it holds up at v16 i'll make a post if not i'll forget about it

Armour sets and traits etc to be decided but i was using some old 1.6 gear I had handy decided to use (2 heavy 5 light)
3 archmage, 5 whitestrike, 2 cyro light. then 2x torugs sword and 1x master healing staff.

I'm definitely not saying go buy/craft these sets now. there will probs be way better im sure at v16 but i had fun tonight solo and duo with it.

For groups i'd swap out as follows depending on your style (soul tether can be any ulti just an example).
http://goo.gl/NVyR1w (this is my standard group build mistform can be replaced by Double take or Shadow too)

Also i'd change the gear for groups

FlounderOG

Thanks for all of this great info so far folks. I have been reading, but havent had a chance to hop online yet to test anything.

Ill try to update with my current skillbar soon.

My playstyle is pretty much spam dark cloak then jump out and gank somebody and disappear again. If that helps.

Just thought Id let you know Im still here.

Do you morph destructive torch to range, or stun? I put range not thinking, and may respec tonight because of it.

revonine

FlounderOG wrote: »

Thanks for all of this great info so far folks. I have been reading, but havent had a chance to hop online yet to test anything.

Ill try to update with my current skillbar soon.

My playstyle is pretty much spam dark cloak then jump out and gank somebody and disappear again. If that helps.

Just thought Id let you know Im still here.

Do you morph destructive torch to range, or stun? I put range not thinking, and may respec tonight because of it.

Mine is morphed for range because one of my all time favourite things to do is sneak around enemy keeps under siege and fling people from great heights

Knootewoot

If you want to make use of the vampire magicka regeneration, you sadly now have to slot one ability. Radiant magelight is a must have I think to prevent other gankers to stun you and crit you when they jump out of hiding. Else I would use mistform. Batswarm (invisibile form) is a good one to slot since it works well with concealed weapon (unless they have detect potion).

What you can try

Bar 1: (dual wield torugs pact 2*) or destroy staff

concealed weapon (main attack, but also for speed)
Double take (for extra speed buff to get away sometimes)
Dark cloak (to get rid of damage over time and to cloak)
swallow soul (ranged attack, but also to have more magicka) or flamestaff knickback skill+range morph
Radiant magelight or mistform

Batswarm or Dawnbreaker of smithing

Bar 2: resto staff

- harness or dampen magicka (don't know which one is better)
- healing ward
- piercing mark
- crippling grasp
- radiant magelight or mist form

meteor or something

I would wear armor with spell damage. Like 3 cyrodill light (2-3 pieces) androitness (2-3 pieces) torugs pact (2 pieces DW), martial knowledge 4 pieces

Try it out and let me know :-)

kaithuzar

My "kai's" build (yes I played on pts)

Race: high elf
Mundus: Atro
Attrib: 42 magic, 22 health
Vampire

bar: cloak, lotus fan, fear, concealed, impale; ult: incapacitating strike (Assassin)
off bar: immovable brute, double take, swallow soul (or sap), healing ward, relentless focus; ult: bats

weapons
main: 2 swords torug's nirn
off: master resto

gear: (All infused, all golden)
5 heavy willows path - v15 (most websites do not list the items correct stats)
2 light arch-mage + neck = 3 arch-mage
2 band cyrodiil's light

Enchants: sp damage on all

recovery drink + magic detect pots that inc recovery & sp dmg

This setup nets me right around: (roughly estimated)
2.2k sp dmg
2.5k magic recovery
1.4k stam regen (walking in sneak with double take I DO NOT lose stam!)
22k health (in cyrodiil/IC)
24k magic
10k stam
20k armor
20k spell resist

Champion points:
6k worth of stam regen
11.5k worth of magic regen
7.5% reduced cost of magic
5% inc to armor
13% inc to spell resist
25 points into hardy, & elemental
15 points into blessed
25 into elf born
4 into spell pen
rest in thaumaturge
(put at least 1 point into everything)

Reeko

kaithuzar wrote: »

My "kai's" build (yes I played on pts)

Race: high elf
Mundus: Atro
Attrib: 42 magic, 22 health
Vampire

bar: cloak, lotus fan, fear, concealed, impale; ult: incapacitating strike (Assassin)
off bar: immovable brute, double take, swallow soul (or sap), healing ward, relentless focus; ult: bats

weapons
main: 2 swords torug's nirn
off: master resto

gear: (All infused, all golden)
5 heavy willows path - v15 (most websites do not list the items correct stats)
2 light arch-mage + neck = 3 arch-mage
2 band cyrodiil's light

Enchants: sp damage on all

recovery drink + magic detect pots that inc recovery & sp dmg

This setup nets me right around: (roughly estimated)
2.2k sp dmg
2.5k magic recovery
1.4k stam regen (walking in sneak with double take I DO NOT lose stam!)
22k health (in cyrodiil/IC)
24k magic
10k stam
20k armor
20k spell resist

Champion points:
6k worth of stam regen
11.5k worth of magic regen
7.5% reduced cost of magic
5% inc to armor
13% inc to spell resist
25 points into hardy, & elemental
15 points into blessed
25 into elf born
4 into spell pen
rest in thaumaturge
(put at least 1 point into everything)

May i ask why you don't put a Siphon ability on your main bar for the passive?

kaithuzar

Reeko wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

My "kai's" build (yes I played on pts)

Race: high elf
Mundus: Atro
Attrib: 42 magic, 22 health
Vampire

bar: cloak, lotus fan, fear, concealed, impale; ult: incapacitating strike (Assassin)
off bar: immovable brute, double take, swallow soul (or sap), healing ward, relentless focus; ult: bats

weapons
main: 2 swords torug's nirn
off: master resto

gear: (All infused, all golden)
5 heavy willows path - v15 (most websites do not list the items correct stats)
2 light arch-mage + neck = 3 arch-mage
2 band cyrodiil's light

Enchants: sp damage on all

recovery drink + magic detect pots that inc recovery & sp dmg

This setup nets me right around: (roughly estimated)
2.2k sp dmg
2.5k magic recovery
1.4k stam regen (walking in sneak with double take I DO NOT lose stam!)
22k health (in cyrodiil/IC)
24k magic
10k stam
20k armor
20k spell resist

Champion points:
6k worth of stam regen
11.5k worth of magic regen
7.5% reduced cost of magic
5% inc to armor
13% inc to spell resist
25 points into hardy, & elemental
15 points into blessed
25 into elf born
4 into spell pen
rest in thaumaturge
(put at least 1 point into everything)

May i ask why you don't put a Siphon ability on your main bar for the passive?

because the main bar is max damage & it's not needed, i could swap fear & swallow soul but i find it difficult to maneuver the buttons on my keyboard like that

Whyn Aurum

kaithuzar wrote: »

My "kai's" build (yes I played on pts)

Race: high elf
Mundus: Atro
Attrib: 42 magic, 22 health
Vampire

bar: cloak, lotus fan, fear, concealed, impale; ult: incapacitating strike (Assassin)
off bar: immovable brute, double take, swallow soul (or sap), healing ward, relentless focus; ult: bats

weapons
main: 2 swords torug's nirn
off: master resto

gear: (All infused, all golden)
5 heavy willows path - v15 (most websites do not list the items correct stats)
2 light arch-mage + neck = 3 arch-mage
2 band cyrodiil's light

Enchants: sp damage on all

recovery drink + magic detect pots that inc recovery & sp dmg

This setup nets me right around: (roughly estimated)
2.2k sp dmg
2.5k magic recovery
1.4k stam regen (walking in sneak with double take I DO NOT lose stam!)
22k health (in cyrodiil/IC)
24k magic
10k stam
20k armor
20k spell resist

Champion points:
6k worth of stam regen
11.5k worth of magic regen
7.5% reduced cost of magic
5% inc to armor
13% inc to spell resist
25 points into hardy, & elemental
15 points into blessed
25 into elf born
4 into spell pen
rest in thaumaturge
(put at least 1 point into everything)

I have couple of questions:

1. What enchants do you use on your neck and rings?
2. How is magicka regen with this buid? I remember there was no sustain with heavy sets on 1.6? The regen number doesnt mean anything if you have high cost spells.
3. Why are you still using nirn (your swords)?
4. Why not slot clouding swarm on first bar for increased regen from vamp?
5. How many champ points do you have?
6. What foor/drink do you use in PvP?

Thanks

Reeko

kaithuzar wrote: »

Reeko wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

My "kai's" build (yes I played on pts)

Race: high elf
Mundus: Atro
Attrib: 42 magic, 22 health
Vampire

bar: cloak, lotus fan, fear, concealed, impale; ult: incapacitating strike (Assassin)
off bar: immovable brute, double take, swallow soul (or sap), healing ward, relentless focus; ult: bats

weapons
main: 2 swords torug's nirn
off: master resto

gear: (All infused, all golden)
5 heavy willows path - v15 (most websites do not list the items correct stats)
2 light arch-mage + neck = 3 arch-mage
2 band cyrodiil's light

Enchants: sp damage on all

recovery drink + magic detect pots that inc recovery & sp dmg

This setup nets me right around: (roughly estimated)
2.2k sp dmg
2.5k magic recovery
1.4k stam regen (walking in sneak with double take I DO NOT lose stam!)
22k health (in cyrodiil/IC)
24k magic
10k stam
20k armor
20k spell resist

Champion points:
6k worth of stam regen
11.5k worth of magic regen
7.5% reduced cost of magic
5% inc to armor
13% inc to spell resist
25 points into hardy, & elemental
15 points into blessed
25 into elf born
4 into spell pen
rest in thaumaturge
(put at least 1 point into everything)

May i ask why you don't put a Siphon ability on your main bar for the passive?

because the main bar is max damage & it's not needed, i could swap fear & swallow soul but i find it difficult to maneuver the buttons on my keyboard like that

You get 8% to your max magicka which means more damage though.

kaithuzar

Maybe this will answer some questions:

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1) Answered in image
2) Good & Answered in image
3) Nirn gives the MOST spell penetration, since magic nb is using spell damage this increases damage the most
4) When I'm hitting someone hard with dps I don't like to swap bars to hit them with ult
5) Not many, 294
6) v15 drink

8% max magic does not mean THAT much more damage, I think it's like 100 +magic = 1 sp dmg, or something like that.

chuckselegy

Great Ganking Build!

Main Bar: Dual wield
Dark Cloak
Concealed Weapon
Lotus Fan
Sap Essence
Mass Hysteria (can swap with Magicka detonation)
Soul Tether

Second Ber: Resto
Harness Magicka/Dampen Magic (doesn't really matter)
Healing ward (better if you run alone cause you typically lose to an ally of in group)
Crippling Grasp
Structured Entropy
Swallow Soul
Clouding Swarm


Light
4x Marshall Knowledge
3x Magnus
Dual wield torug pact swords (spell damage)
Magnus Resto bar (gets you the spell damage from the Magnus set)
--ideally it'd be 4x Marshall knowledge, heavy engine guardian helm, medium engine guardian shoulder, 2x cyrodill light rings, 2x torug pact swords, masters Resto

Apprentice/Mage/Atronach- I use Apprentice

All cost reduction or go 3/4 reduction and rest max Magicka.

Keep your harness Magicka up. Stay in cloak.

I like to weave this way:
Crippling grasp>structured entropy>swallow soul>lotus fan(cc)>
--if breaks cc then mass hysteria
--if doesn't break cc, concealed weapon, then
>mass hysteria>light attack weaved into concealed weapon

That usually does the job. If not reapply the grasp and swallow soul or just repeat.

This setup will be better with detonation.

Good luck if you try this! I love this build.

ChefZero

With IC i changed from melee to range magicka NB. Sounds crazy for some people, because there are so many threads about OP NB spaming cloaks in IC at the moment. But i don't feel comfortable with melee now. You cant rely on cloak against advanced players and in IC they're could be around every corner. Melee skills have bad 'damage per magickacost' values compared to funnel health for example and detonation damage nerfed by 28% and a longer timer? Also attackweaving is pretty better with destro instead of dualwied. With rangebuild you can go full damage, hit over 32k magikca easy and have only 800 or 900 magicka regen.. but you will never be oom.

kaithuzar

The thing is that funnel/swallow soul can be reflected where melee attacks can't so I use swallow soul on my back bar just as added healing

bsmorrowb14_ESO

chuckselegy wrote: »

Great Ganking Build!

Main Bar: Dual wield
Dark Cloak
Concealed Weapon
Lotus Fan
Sap Essence
Mass Hysteria (can swap with Magicka detonation)
Soul Tether

Second Ber: Resto
Harness Magicka/Dampen Magic (doesn't really matter)
Healing ward (better if you run alone cause you typically lose to an ally of in group)
Crippling Grasp
Structured Entropy
Swallow Soul
Clouding Swarm


Light
4x Marshall Knowledge
3x Magnus
Dual wield torug pact swords (spell damage)
Magnus Resto bar (gets you the spell damage from the Magnus set)
--ideally it'd be 4x Marshall knowledge, heavy engine guardian helm, medium engine guardian shoulder, 2x cyrodill light rings, 2x torug pact swords, masters Resto

Apprentice/Mage/Atronach- I use Apprentice

All cost reduction or go 3/4 reduction and rest max Magicka.

Keep your harness Magicka up. Stay in cloak.

I like to weave this way:
Crippling grasp>structured entropy>swallow soul>lotus fan(cc)>
--if breaks cc then mass hysteria
--if doesn't break cc, concealed weapon, then
>mass hysteria>light attack weaved into concealed weapon

That usually does the job. If not reapply the grasp and swallow soul or just repeat.

This setup will be better with detonation.

Good luck if you try this! I love this build.

How is the new Lotus Fan?

ChefZero

kaithuzar wrote: »

The thing is that funnel/swallow soul can be reflected where melee attacks can't so I use swallow soul on my back bar just as added healing

Of course, but resources management is going to be more difficult. So they only waist resources for reflecting funnel health and you can also anytime switch focus as range DD. Use Funnel, grappling, light attack as suppression and time grim focus and dawnbreaker for burst the target.

kaithuzar

ChefZero wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

The thing is that funnel/swallow soul can be reflected where melee attacks can't so I use swallow soul on my back bar just as added healing

Of course, but resources management is going to be more difficult. So they only waist resources for reflecting funnel health and you can also anytime switch focus as range DD. Use Funnel, grappling, light attack as suppression and time grim focus and dawnbreaker for burst the target.

As you can see from the picture I have 32 in Arcanist & 27 in Magician + the 2 light pieces for reduced cost; it's not much of an issue for me.
I hit relentless & light attack swallow soul with resto bar then hit the assassin's will arrow & swap back to dps bar to finish them off

Pchela

bsmorrowb14_ESO wrote: »

chuckselegy wrote: »

Great Ganking Build!

Main Bar: Dual wield
Dark Cloak
Concealed Weapon
Lotus Fan
Sap Essence
Mass Hysteria (can swap with Magicka detonation)
Soul Tether

Second Ber: Resto
Harness Magicka/Dampen Magic (doesn't really matter)
Healing ward (better if you run alone cause you typically lose to an ally of in group)
Crippling Grasp
Structured Entropy
Swallow Soul
Clouding Swarm


Light
4x Marshall Knowledge
3x Magnus
Dual wield torug pact swords (spell damage)
Magnus Resto bar (gets you the spell damage from the Magnus set)
--ideally it'd be 4x Marshall knowledge, heavy engine guardian helm, medium engine guardian shoulder, 2x cyrodill light rings, 2x torug pact swords, masters Resto

Apprentice/Mage/Atronach- I use Apprentice

All cost reduction or go 3/4 reduction and rest max Magicka.

Keep your harness Magicka up. Stay in cloak.

I like to weave this way:
Crippling grasp>structured entropy>swallow soul>lotus fan(cc)>
--if breaks cc then mass hysteria
--if doesn't break cc, concealed weapon, then
>mass hysteria>light attack weaved into concealed weapon

That usually does the job. If not reapply the grasp and swallow soul or just repeat.

This setup will be better with detonation.

Good luck if you try this! I love this build.

How is the new Lotus Fan?

Much, much better than before. Worth morphing, finally.

FlounderOG

Pchela wrote: »

Much, much better than before. Worth morphing, finally.

thats good to hear.

Right now Im working with one skillbar still (yeah I know)

Dark clioak to negate negatives
Destructive touch w/flame stun
Concealed weapon
Lotus fan (I've been unhappy with it, but good to hear it better soon)
And Purge

I put on the magicka regen mundus (forgot the name) and Im working on learning all of the mundus stone boosting traits for my gear.

My gear is 5 piece light, 2 heavy. Reduce cost jewelry, and all enchants set to max magicka.

I always go into cyrodiil as a level 10, so these are going to change once my secondary bar opens up.

I just cant decide if I want a resto staff or 2h mace for that sweet wb armor ignore.

ChefZero

kaithuzar wrote: »

As you can see from the picture I have 32 in Arcanist & 27 in Magician + the 2 light pieces for reduced cost; it's not much of an issue for me.
I hit relentless & light attack swallow soul with resto bar then hit the assassin's will arrow & swap back to dps bar to finish them off

Jep but that's the point. You have no magicka issues too, but 10k less magicka and less points in CC break reduce. I don't need that amount of points in Arcanist and Magician.

Reeko

kaithuzar wrote: »

Maybe this will answer some questions:

[img][/img]

1) Answered in image
2) Good & Answered in image
3) Nirn gives the MOST spell penetration, since magic nb is using spell damage this increases damage the most
4) When I'm hitting someone hard with dps I don't like to swap bars to hit them with ult
5) Not many, 294
6) v15 drink

8% max magic does not mean THAT much more damage, I think it's like 100 +magic = 1 sp dmg, or something like that.

Still, more damage is more damage. And 100 magicka is about 10 dmg on your skill tooltip.

kaithuzar

ChefZero wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

As you can see from the picture I have 32 in Arcanist & 27 in Magician + the 2 light pieces for reduced cost; it's not much of an issue for me.
I hit relentless & light attack swallow soul with resto bar then hit the assassin's will arrow & swap back to dps bar to finish them off

Jep but that's the point. You have no magicka issues too, but 10k less magicka and less points in CC break reduce. I don't need that amount of points in Arcanist and Magician.

As stated I run Immovable Brute on my back bar which gives "reduce cost of break free by 30% + x where x is dependent on number of heavy armor worn. I bet my cc break cost less than your cc break =p

twistedmonk

magicka deonation?

ummm..why is that missing on these magic NB builds....its OP

revonine

twistedmonk wrote: »

magicka deonation?

ummm..why is that missing on these magic NB builds....its OP

Thought the changes to it in 1.7 made it less ideal for burst?