What is with these 12-15k surprise attacks?

McSwaggins

Is it common to see a nightblade doing this damage this high with just one spammable ability?
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leepalmer95

McSwaggins wrote: »

Is it common to see a nightblade doing this damage this high with just one spammable ability?

Welcome to elder scrolls nb edition.

Sleep

There's not enough surprise so they can only do 12-15k damage

aco5712

dont worry, next patch it will only be 7k and your heals will do 3k.. you better hope you have a pocket healer with you

Vatter

same as 19k NB heavy attacks and 15k sorc crystal shards. Don't even think of rolling a templar. they are complete garbage.

leepalmer95

aco5712 wrote: »

dont worry, next patch it will only be 7k and your heals will do 3k.. you better hope you have a pocket healer with you

Well technically there is already a 20% dmg debuff, so they'll still be 10k ^^

MrGrimey

Wait for IC, surprise attack with v16 great and 27k Stam is only doing 2k crits on some of the new armor sets... Get ready for fights that don't end

Molag_Crow

Possibly because of the armor penetration exploit.

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/211269/revealing-the-real-sharpened-exploit

I'm not too happy about it either. I spent most of my night laying dead on the floor like at my Death Recap, because I was literally dropping like a fly whenever this one guy (NB) would open up on me.

WillhelmBlack

Vatter wrote: »

same as 19k NB heavy attacks and 15k sorc crystal shards. Don't even think of rolling a templar. they are complete garbage.

So no complaining of Jabs or Jesus Beam, ok?

leepalmer95

MrGrimey wrote: »

Wait for IC, surprise attack with v16 great and 27k Stam is only doing 2k crits on some of the new armor sets... Get ready for fights that don't end

Ive seen some builds get 5k weapon dmg though :P

Molag_Crow

At least Jabs or beam is avoidable-ish. LoS beam, roll/block Jabs, etc -- Surprise attack? it's a surprise, a painful surprise from behind.

Vizier

15K from surprise is ok, but that's low end of a surprise critical snipe when built right. Honestly should be more concerned about 15K Hvy attacks, 30K wrecking blows, 15-20K Crystal Frags, 20K detonations, etc, etc..non of which are from stealth.

Use Magelight to reduce from stealth hits, if you have shields use those religiously. The 15K hit will be less then half or better depending on mitigation skills used. NB from stealth hit is really only effective when your not expecting it and using the hard counters.

Tankqull

the 10k+ surprise attacks are possible by a combination of ambush, death stroke and morphs and surpriseattack with a burst aimed gear choice. in other words its not spammable neither are 15k crystal frags - the only spammable 15k+ attacks are 2h and bow attacks wich are accessable (and possible) by everybody.

Preyfar

I'd much rather have Surprise Attacks. I got sniped earlier for 26K...

leepalmer95

Tankqull wrote: »

the 10k+ surprise attacks are possible by a combination of ambush, death stroke and morphs and surpriseattack with a burst aimed gear choice. in other words its not spammable neither are 15k crystal frags - the only spammable 15k+ attacks are 2h and bow attacks wich are accessable (and possible) by everybody.

well 2h and bow aren't accessible by magicka builds ^^

Tankqull

and its your choice to go that route... eventhough a more "powerfull" option is accessable.

AshTal

I so hope 2.1 brings some balance into PvP - right now its just no fun unless your the uber 1% - I found non Vet PvP great however the VET PvP just seems pointless unless you have been in it from the start. Even at Vet 14 in all purple gear I get 2 hit killed most of the time. I can hit an enemy with everything I have and manage to knock them down 20%. Yeah maybe I am crap but then so it appears would be most people. Just not fun.

Master_Kas

leepalmer95 wrote: »

McSwaggins wrote: »

Is it common to see a nightblade doing this damage this high with just one spammable ability?

Welcome to elder scrolls nb edition.

Sorcerers also blow 10-12k CF's on people with 2-3 nirnhoned armor on (on live)

Elder NBs Online : Sorcerers Unlimited is the truth

leepalmer95

Tankqull wrote: »

and its your choice to go that route... eventhough a more "powerfull" option is accessable.

as a magicka build i'd like more than 2 magicka weapons , 1 being a restoration stave. ^^

Ryuho

aco5712 wrote: »

dont worry, next patch it will only be 7k and your heals will do 3k.. you better hope you have a pocket healer with you

7k if u stack wpn dmg as ***, most nbs will do 4 - 5k.. on my templar i healed 6k non crit and even 10k + crits with bol on PTS with a lot of CPs invested in healing done/received.. and as magicka nb (funnel spammer).. mutagen + funnel is more than enough as heal to kill 1 vs 1 a stamina nb, heal ~3k per 1s.. u just overheal their dmg to esy, naturally u need a lot of CPs invested in healing received/done.. and even if he bring u to 20% once, u just get burst heal from mutgen 7k.. imo healing will be the new way to play this game.. i dueled dk whos from 3k hp got 22k with one dragon blood.. just GG..

paromont3b16_ESO

You must be new here. So the way this game works is that everybody rolls for 0 health. You then get 10 mil stamina or 10 mil magicka and 1-shot people who don't also have 10 mil magicka and a shield, or 10 mil stamina and hold block down.

If you happen to encounter someone that knows what they are doing, the fight becomes about draining the opponents resources and it's pretty fun. That's not to say that 1-shotting people who hit for 5k with lethal arrow or 10 with crystal frags isn't also very fun.

nordickittyhawk

if you nerf it. what do stam blades have? ... nothing really all weapon abilitys suck. its there only stam attack so it should hit hard and we have 0 stam class dots

Bfish22090

DKs are really OP with their 1k dots

leepalmer95

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

if you nerf it. what do stam blades have? ... nothing really all weapon abilitys suck. its there only stam attack so it should hit hard and we have 0 stam class dots

I see your new here let me give you an idea about how wrong you are ^^

Wrecking blow, not interruptible , extemely high dmg, cause knockback/stun, gives 20% dmg buff to next attack which can be again wrecking blow because most stamina builds are 1 button people.

Executioner , instant dead if people get into range, Better than the nb executioner. Provides 18% extra dmg to low hp targets when slotted

Critical Charge, 28 meter gap closer, more dmg the further you are, will always crit, does reliably high dmg than surprise attack.

Rally - a 20% weapon dmg buff that is also one of the best heals in the game, gives a Hot with a big heal at the end. Can be pre castes even in stealth. One of the best skills in the game.

Steel tornado - by far the best aoe in the game, does insane dmg, more to wounded targets also have by far the highest aoe range in the game with 12 meters.

Snipe - stupidly op skill that needs balancing, extremely high range , hard to see when fired, does stupid amount of dmg seen some hit 18k ^ most are 12k. Can 2 hit people easily.

You were saying?

Mojmir

leepalmer95 wrote: »

nordickittyhawk wrote: »

if you nerf it. what do stam blades have? ... nothing really all weapon abilitys suck. its there only stam attack so it should hit hard and we have 0 stam class dots

I see your new here let me give you an idea about how wrong you are ^^

Wrecking blow, not interruptible , extemely high dmg, cause knockback/stun, gives 20% dmg buff to next attack which can be again wrecking blow because most stamina builds are 1 button people.

Executioner , instant dead if people get into range, Better than the nb executioner. Provides 18% extra dmg to low hp targets when slotted

Critical Charge, 28 meter gap closer, more dmg the further you are, will always crit, does reliably high dmg than surprise attack.

Rally - a 20% weapon dmg buff that is also one of the best heals in the game, gives a Hot with a big heal at the end. Can be pre castes even in stealth. One of the best skills in the game.

Steel tornado - by far the best aoe in the game, does insane dmg, more to wounded targets also have by far the highest aoe range in the game with 12 meters.

Snipe - stupidly op skill that needs balancing, extremely high range , hard to see when fired, does stupid amount of dmg seen some hit 18k ^ most are 12k. Can 2 hit people easily.

You were saying?

maybe he means light attacks? yeah as bad as i suck i can still bear some one down with just those abilities

Rottley

is funny how people with bad gear complain about a 12k hit with Surprise attack.

Potenza

MrGrimey wrote: »

Wait for IC, surprise attack with v16 great and 27k Stam is only doing 2k crits on some of the new armor sets... Get ready for fights that don't end

or fights you can actually fight instead of just getting one shotted

Pangnirtung

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Welcome to elder scrolls nb edition.

This month.

Next month ppl will be complaining about DKs and on it goes.

Does anyone ever think that there will be balance between the classes? I think that it is impossible the way things are set up.

QuebraRegra

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

the 10k+ surprise attacks are possible by a combination of ambush, death stroke and morphs and surpriseattack with a burst aimed gear choice. in other words its not spammable neither are 15k crystal frags - the only spammable 15k+ attacks are 2h and bow attacks wich are accessable (and possible) by everybody.

well 2h and bow aren't accessible by magicka builds ^^

If yer not "cookie-cutter" spamming WB, yer doing it wrong

Seriously, it's starting to feel like alternative builds are not viable.

ijacksparrowed

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

same as 19k NB heavy attacks and 15k sorc crystal shards. Don't even think of rolling a templar. they are complete garbage.

So no complaining of Jabs or Jesus Beam, ok?

Jesus Beam is only OP as a finisher...People always look at their death recap and assume that the 20k+ dmg they got from the beam was the whole reason they died...When it was only 30% of the reason. If you die and the only thing on your recap was the beam then it becomes a learn to play issue. The beam is slow and it can be countered so many different ways. The jabs are cause for concern but the beam should stay the same...

paromont3b16_ESO

The beam can and will kill you near instantly without warning. The game is designed so terribly. 25% of the time you're taking damage there will be no spell effects, your resource pools will stay the same, and they will be instantly dropped to 0 with only a single ability on there. Which is usually the beam, or siege weapons.