Playing NB against detect pots is like playing sorc without shields or templar without heals.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Dracane wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

Thank you @Ezareth. Of course Stamina NB is possible to play without or less cloak. But Magicka NB without cloak? I don't know...

Actually no its not possible now, look at all the dodge rolls in the video, I counted like 5 almost 6 in a 4-5 second window. Dodge roll gets the Nerf hammer with the IC patch. This is now not possible, you will be out of Stam by like the third one now because of the 33% additional cost.

On a side note, I love watching Sypher's videos as well but it seems he will go to a Magicka Nightblade as well because the perma dodge rolling days are now gone with a Stamina Nightblade build that he was using with the Skirmisher 2h/Bow build where he was using Dodge roll alot as well. Now as a Stamina Nightblade build you will have to pick and choose when to block, dodge roll and use Cloak just to survive in the game because of the Dodge roll nerf xtra cost and the 0 Stam regen for blocking, Cloak looks to be like it is the last Defense that Nightblades will have and people want to Nerf that too with an additional cost or something.

Does the 33% cost stack like Bolt Escape ? Or is it only a 33% increase after the first dodge ?

I should just say to you, "hello go on the PTS and test it yourself..." but why bother, Yeah it does stack, like I said before L2P but now I'll just say "Do your damn research..." You can only do one dodge roll per like every 4-5 seconds or you incur a 33% cost and then it stacks if you do another and then another... see this is why you don't call for Nerf's Dracane... duuuurrrr

the 1st roll doesn't have a cost, the second one within 4-5 secs adds 33% then next adds 33% and so on just like Bolt Escape, this now effects everyone.. even sorcs as does the 0 stam while blocking...

You pretend like it's my fault that this happens O.o calm down, what happened to the Kotari that I used to love ? You were so funny and entertaining. Now you're exhausting and mean. So sad

when you keep calling for Nerf's and dont do your darn research, yeah im gonna blame you, maybe your finally waking up and getting a clue, the roll dodge nerf and block nerf affects everyone and your still calling for more Nerf's to class skills.. I get upset because it's affecting my favorite game on the planet right now.. and I'm not pretending.. rediculous..

I'm not calling for any nerfs -.- I didn't talk about any nerfs for many days.
All I'm saying, is that Cloak needs adjustments and many people say the same and I weren't talking about cloak for days. I know you want your might class, everyone does.

I'm doing many research UNLIKE YOU !
Not my fault if you haven't seen one of plenty research threads that I've started during this pts month.
You know what ? I already knew that the dodge penalty stacks. But I wanted you to tell me, because I thought, it's possible to get a friendly conversation like we used to do. But well nevermind

If you did your own research then why ask the question if the dodge roll % stacks like Bolt Escape, you just got caught out lying, for now on I'll just ignore your comments, waste of my time.

Dracane

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

Thank you @Ezareth. Of course Stamina NB is possible to play without or less cloak. But Magicka NB without cloak? I don't know...

Actually no its not possible now, look at all the dodge rolls in the video, I counted like 5 almost 6 in a 4-5 second window. Dodge roll gets the Nerf hammer with the IC patch. This is now not possible, you will be out of Stam by like the third one now because of the 33% additional cost.

On a side note, I love watching Sypher's videos as well but it seems he will go to a Magicka Nightblade as well because the perma dodge rolling days are now gone with a Stamina Nightblade build that he was using with the Skirmisher 2h/Bow build where he was using Dodge roll alot as well. Now as a Stamina Nightblade build you will have to pick and choose when to block, dodge roll and use Cloak just to survive in the game because of the Dodge roll nerf xtra cost and the 0 Stam regen for blocking, Cloak looks to be like it is the last Defense that Nightblades will have and people want to Nerf that too with an additional cost or something.

Does the 33% cost stack like Bolt Escape ? Or is it only a 33% increase after the first dodge ?

I should just say to you, "hello go on the PTS and test it yourself..." but why bother, Yeah it does stack, like I said before L2P but now I'll just say "Do your damn research..." You can only do one dodge roll per like every 4-5 seconds or you incur a 33% cost and then it stacks if you do another and then another... see this is why you don't call for Nerf's Dracane... duuuurrrr

the 1st roll doesn't have a cost, the second one within 4-5 secs adds 33% then next adds 33% and so on just like Bolt Escape, this now effects everyone.. even sorcs as does the 0 stam while blocking...

You pretend like it's my fault that this happens O.o calm down, what happened to the Kotari that I used to love ? You were so funny and entertaining. Now you're exhausting and mean. So sad

when you keep calling for Nerf's and dont do your darn research, yeah im gonna blame you, maybe your finally waking up and getting a clue, the roll dodge nerf and block nerf affects everyone and your still calling for more Nerf's to class skills.. I get upset because it's affecting my favorite game on the planet right now.. and I'm not pretending.. rediculous..

I'm not calling for any nerfs -.- I didn't talk about any nerfs for many days.
All I'm saying, is that Cloak needs adjustments and many people say the same and I weren't talking about cloak for days. I know you want your might class, everyone does.

I'm doing many research UNLIKE YOU !
Not my fault if you haven't seen one of plenty research threads that I've started during this pts month.
You know what ? I already knew that the dodge penalty stacks. But I wanted you to tell me, because I thought, it's possible to get a friendly conversation like we used to do. But well nevermind

If you did your own research then why ask the question if the dodge roll % stacks like Bolt Escape, you just got caught out lying, for now on I'll just ignore your comments, waste of my time.

You don't get it ^^ Of course I know that it stacks.
But I wanted you to tell me if it does. I thought, this would break the ice because I'm asking for your advise. But noooo, fail. Should send it to Fail Army

Lucky28

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

Thank you @Ezareth. Of course Stamina NB is possible to play without or less cloak. But Magicka NB without cloak? I don't know...

Actually no its not possible now, look at all the dodge rolls in the video, I counted like 5 almost 6 in a 4-5 second window. Dodge roll gets the Nerf hammer with the IC patch. This is now not possible, you will be out of Stam by like the third one now because of the 33% additional cost.

On a side note, I love watching Sypher's videos as well but it seems he will go to a Magicka Nightblade as well because the perma dodge rolling days are now gone with a Stamina Nightblade build that he was using with the Skirmisher 2h/Bow build where he was using Dodge roll alot as well. Now as a Stamina Nightblade build you will have to pick and choose when to block, dodge roll and use Cloak just to survive in the game because of the Dodge roll nerf xtra cost and the 0 Stam regen for blocking, Cloak looks to be like it is the last Defense that Nightblades will have and people want to Nerf that too with an additional cost or something.

I know how you feel, but lets be real about this. I play as a sorc, and we now have a armor set that deals damage through our shields, 50% stacking increase on streak and BoL, and we also get hit by the dodge roll/block nerf. everyones defenses have been hit in the IC patch with the exception of cloak.

As i've said. i would much prefer if we all got on ZoS about undoing the nerfs they are implementing in the IC patch as well as the 50% decreased damage. as it stands however, that's the problem with nerfs, they nerf this skill then they gotta nerf that skill and so on. It is foolish and i wish they'd listen to their player base on this issue.

Dracane

Lucky28 wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

Thank you @Ezareth. Of course Stamina NB is possible to play without or less cloak. But Magicka NB without cloak? I don't know...

Actually no its not possible now, look at all the dodge rolls in the video, I counted like 5 almost 6 in a 4-5 second window. Dodge roll gets the Nerf hammer with the IC patch. This is now not possible, you will be out of Stam by like the third one now because of the 33% additional cost.

On a side note, I love watching Sypher's videos as well but it seems he will go to a Magicka Nightblade as well because the perma dodge rolling days are now gone with a Stamina Nightblade build that he was using with the Skirmisher 2h/Bow build where he was using Dodge roll alot as well. Now as a Stamina Nightblade build you will have to pick and choose when to block, dodge roll and use Cloak just to survive in the game because of the Dodge roll nerf xtra cost and the 0 Stam regen for blocking, Cloak looks to be like it is the last Defense that Nightblades will have and people want to Nerf that too with an additional cost or something.

I know how you feel, but lets be real about this. I play as a sorc, and we now have a armor set that deals damage through our shields, 50% stacking increase on streak and BoL, and we also get hit by the dodge roll/block nerf. everyones defenses have been hit in the IC patch with the exception of cloak.

As i've said. i would much prefer if we all got on ZoS about undoing the nerfs they are implementing in the IC patch as well as the 50% decreased damage. as it stands however, that's the problem with nerfs, they nerf this skill then they gotta nerf that skill and so on. It is foolish and i wish they'd listen to their player base on this issue.

This explains it very well.
I agree.

KenaPKK

Dracane wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

Thank you @Ezareth. Of course Stamina NB is possible to play without or less cloak. But Magicka NB without cloak? I don't know...

words

This explains it very well.
I agree.

They are separate mechanics, and their states of balance are not dependent on each other. This doesn't explain anything having to do with NB balance..

KenaPKK

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Please stop posting this premade message in threads, and just respond to the content instead. We get frustrated and heated because there's next to no developer interaction in this forum... Discussion would simmer down and intelligent posts would be made if we knew developers actually cared about our content...

This is an important subject... I like to play magicka Nightblade, and although I think they are a bit too tanky and too good at healing themselves on live, detect potions outright negate their core survival mechanic... My title is a literal truth. How would you like to play sorc without shields, templar without heals, or DK without fire? That's what playing NB is like when one enemy in the vicinity pushes a single button... There's no counterplay.

KenaPKK

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josh.lackey_ESO

Hey guys, I think the solution (pun intended) is to buff invis pots. Cloak Schmoak. Invis for everyone, step right up, quaff down some get-out-of-jail-free mojo juice and you can troll, gank, and pansy-arse away from a fair fight. Maybe you're a nightblade and that cloak just isn't doing the job, why not go double dark with some invis stacking?! What, did I say INVIS STACKING? Why yes I did. Why should shields get all the stack-action, let's get those invis buffs a'stackin. Extra good on those heavy-attack kills for full shadow 360+ champ boys out there (lol), gives that shadowstrike a little extra love.

Shadow cloak? Counter Detect pot. Counter Invis pot. Counter Radiant Magelight. Counter HEAVY ATTACK KILL YOU and for 2.5 seconds, I'm completely invisible! I mean, I'd also be hidden behind your death recap, but still, it's the mechanics that mattter, right?

Clearly invisibility stacking is the future!

Dracane

jnorris91ub17_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Lucky28 wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

Thank you @Ezareth. Of course Stamina NB is possible to play without or less cloak. But Magicka NB without cloak? I don't know...

words

This explains it very well.
I agree.

They are separate mechanics, and their states of balance are not dependent on each other. This doesn't explain anything having to do with NB balance..

I think you made a wrong quote here. Check again

Tdroid

Now that you mention it, OP, I think that there should defintely be more effective counters to damage shields that doesn't require a 5 item set. And there should definitely be more effective coutners to perma-cloaking Nightblades that doesn't take your only potion slot, peventing other potions. And, yes, I play Nightblades. Stamina Nightblade, specifically, and I'm not a fan or perma-cloaking either.

Crying out because you having an ability forces everyone else to compensate with a hardline answer that limits them otherwise or simply not stand much of a chance in the Imperial City PvP... well, I'll let people fill in the rest of that sentence themselves.

ChefZero

@Ezareth what means LoS?

@Lucky28

Lucky28 wrote: »

I know how you feel, but lets be real about this. I play as a sorc, and we now have a armor set that deals damage through our shields, 50% stacking increase on streak and BoL, and we also get hit by the dodge roll/block nerf. everyones defenses have been hit in the IC patch with the exception of cloak.

As i've said. i would much prefer if we all got on ZoS about undoing the nerfs they are implementing in the IC patch as well as the 50% decreased damage. as it stands however, that's the problem with nerfs, they nerf this skill then they gotta nerf that skill and so on. It is foolish and i wish they'd listen to their player base on this issue.

Shieldbreaker is much pain for magickablade too. Now every BowNB can easy kill mackiablades assassins. Because they start with burst, you get piercing mark and the oh-***-button of every magickablade is healing ward and not cloak. Sorcs has with hardened ward way more time to react against Shieldbreakerusers, because you dont be affected by burst and Shieldbreaker.

@ all
I think many guys, who flaming about NBs mixed up stamina and magicka builds. Of course magickablade can spam cloak, but staminablade can easy do 30% more dmg. And noone can do both. Magickablades best burstskills are non-nb-skills like detonation and dawnbreaker.
Cloak is pretty useless against experienced players and healing ward isnt that strong as single shield. According to my experience magickablades pretty weak against high-stamina-burst-damage and chargeabilitys.

Isbilen

hi zenomix i am niteblade cud u plese add noclip and 500% movmint speed to cloak plese. nb is so weak gimme strength. also plese make sneak attack modifier triple of todey.

BuggeX

There is a simplay way to Counter D-Pot users, attack them, they have a CD on Pots...........

Dracane

ChefZero wrote: »

@Ezareth what means LoS?

@Lucky28

Lucky28 wrote: »

I know how you feel, but lets be real about this. I play as a sorc, and we now have a armor set that deals damage through our shields, 50% stacking increase on streak and BoL, and we also get hit by the dodge roll/block nerf. everyones defenses have been hit in the IC patch with the exception of cloak.

As i've said. i would much prefer if we all got on ZoS about undoing the nerfs they are implementing in the IC patch as well as the 50% decreased damage. as it stands however, that's the problem with nerfs, they nerf this skill then they gotta nerf that skill and so on. It is foolish and i wish they'd listen to their player base on this issue.

Shieldbreaker is much pain for magickablade too. Now every BowNB can easy kill mackiablades assassins. Because they start with burst, you get piercing mark and the oh-***-button of every magickablade is healing ward and not cloak. Sorcs has with hardened ward way more time to react against Shieldbreakerusers, because you dont be affected by burst and Shieldbreaker.

@ all
I think many guys, who flaming about NBs mixed up stamina and magicka builds. Of course magickablade can spam cloak, but staminablade can easy do 30% more dmg. And noone can do both. Magickablades best burstskills are non-nb-skills like detonation and dawnbreaker.
Cloak is pretty useless against experienced players and healing ward isnt that strong as single shield. According to my experience magickablades pretty weak against high-stamina-burst-damage and chargeabilitys.

Healing Wards value is higher than Hardened Ward on low health. So I can't agree with what you said.
Magickanightblades can pop Healing Ward and then cloak, which is much stronger than using hardened ward.

Ender1310

Cloak is the worst defensive skill in the game every npc in cyrid sees you there are solo many ways as is to negate it. Nb's don't feel nb enough there are just too many hard counters that completely negate it and as is the skill is either it works or doesn't and nb's as a class have nothing else I mean a great cc in fear some stuns but against an open battle it's not enough we need to be stealthy and it needs to work. Now if you want to cut some burst( without nerfing pve dps I'm fine) with that. I have been nb from jump and I am just getting into other classes now and they feel better like they are working as intended

ChefZero

@Dracane - of course the value is higher but you dont benefit from that, if the enemy uses shieldbreaker. I said Sorcs are better in avoiding early burst cause of hardened warden, thats the point.

Dracane

ChefZero wrote: »

@Dracane - of course the value is higher but you dont benefit from that, if the enemy uses shieldbreaker. I said Sorcs are better in avoiding early burst cause of hardened warden, thats the point.

If a Sorc gets hit by the archer, his health is just as low as the NIghtblades health.
A Sorcerer will die, while the Nightblade can apply Healing Ward and then cloak to avoid the following shield breaker light attacks while the Sorcerer has to take the shots.

I think it's obvious, who has the better survival chances here.

byrom101b16_ESO

Nightblade players just complain and complain and complain and won't stop until every counter play to their class is nerfed or removed.

It wasn't very long ago hat the same people were telling everyone else that the detect pots WERE the counter to the OP Cloak antics seen in IC. They have been significantly nerfed as well, leaving a thirty second window when it runs out for any NB with half a brain and a little skill to attack in.

But no, that is not enough, they want everything their own way with no way to stop them.

Pathetic.

Dracane

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

Nightblade players just complain and complain and complain and won't stop until every counter play to their class is needed or removed.

It wasn't very long ago hat the same people were telling everyone else that the detect pots WERE the counter to the OP Cloak antics seen in IC. They have been significantly nerfed as well, leaving a thirty second window when it runs out for any NB with half a brain and a little skill to attack in.

But no, that is not enough, they want everything their own way with no way to stop them.

Pathetic.

And now where detection potions received the massive nerf hammer, it's still not enough to satisfy them.
And now they claim it's too hard to leave the 10 meter radius of Magelight or to avoid a projectile, that takes ages to hit in (revealing flare)

Yes, cloak has counters, but none of them is reliable and everything comes with a big trade off. People have to slot abilities that they wouldn't use otherwise and have to use a potion, that makes the user of the potion prey himself. Countering Bolt Escape, blocks and dodge roll does not require a player to slot abilities, which he wouldn't have on his bar anyway.

Each Nightblades uses fear to counter blocks, as good as all melees have gap closers to counter Bolt escape and many people are using lightning staff, Jesus Beam and similar things to counter dodge roll and all of the 3 just mentioned have penalties. But Cloak, no cloak does not of course ! Change that already. And to counter cloak, you have to slot the most ridiculous things and even have to sacrifise 1 valueable restoring potions.

Lettigall

BuggeX wrote: »

There is a simplay way to Counter D-Pot users, attack them, they have a CD on Pots...........

You are making sense, that's not welcome here.Nightblades will cry that not able to use tri-pot for 45s isn't big enough trade off for using detect potion!

Winterpsy

Detect pots : it's not x-ray vision. If you are behind a rock you wont be detected.

I use the detect pot if I am given a reason, suspicion to use it. Near lone fallen allies or spots where recent battles, ganks happened.
I dont spam it endlessly because it has a cost.

If you wish to remain undetected, dont give the enemy a reason to become suspicious. (like vanish in a spot where you could have been observed)

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Dracane wrote: »

Each Nightblades uses fear to counter blocks, as good as all melees have gap closers to counter Bolt escape and many people are using lightning staff, Jesus Beam and similar things to counter dodge roll and all of the 3 just mentioned have penalties. But Cloak, no cloak does not of course ! Change that already. And to counter cloak, you have to slot the most ridiculous things and even have to sacrifise 1 valueable restoring potions.

Up until this patch, when IC DLC drops this day, Cloak already had the penalty of being hit by almost any attack and Cloak would break, also how about the time when Nightblades own abilities, like Strife would bring them out of Cloak and it wasn't fixed for a large amount of time or when Gap closers would always make Cloak fail. Cloak doesn't have penalties because for the last year and a half it was already working like crap and it was not intended to not break on Single target attacks (as per the DEV's, Eric Wrobel on ESO live said so), now it will still break on AOE attacks and RML (Radiant Magelight), AvA Flares and Detect Potions..

if you can't handle it.....Tough, L2P.

MisterBigglesworth

The Sorcerer Illuminati would love nothing more than for all of you to just go right
on thinking that Nightblades are the problem here, and not them.

Even the upcoming Bolt Escape nerf is really just a red herring,
designed to placate the masses, to keep them distracted from the real issues.


Question everything. Trust no one.
#nerfsorc

Ryuho

Dracane wrote: »

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

Nightblade players just complain and complain and complain and won't stop until every counter play to their class is needed or removed.

It wasn't very long ago hat the same people were telling everyone else that the detect pots WERE the counter to the OP Cloak antics seen in IC. They have been significantly nerfed as well, leaving a thirty second window when it runs out for any NB with half a brain and a little skill to attack in.

But no, that is not enough, they want everything their own way with no way to stop them.

Pathetic.

And now where detection potions received the massive nerf hammer, it's still not enough to satisfy them.
And now they claim it's too hard to leave the 10 meter radius of Magelight or to avoid a projectile, that takes ages to hit in (revealing flare)

Yes, cloak has counters, but none of them is reliable and everything comes with a big trade off. People have to slot abilities that they wouldn't use otherwise and have to use a potion, that makes the user of the potion prey himself. Countering Bolt Escape, blocks and dodge roll does not require a player to slot abilities, which he wouldn't have on his bar anyway.

Each Nightblades uses fear to counter blocks, as good as all melees have gap closers to counter Bolt escape and many people are using lightning staff, Jesus Beam and similar things to counter dodge roll and all of the 3 just mentioned have penalties. But Cloak, no cloak does not of course ! Change that already. And to counter cloak, you have to slot the most ridiculous things and even have to sacrifise 1 valueable restoring potions.

NO.

Srry Drac, but coming that from sorc is not in right place, lets say.. As sorc u have additional bar, slot there flare.. U wont waste precious skill slot this way, also as sorc - streak and stay close to nb, he wont be able to cloak, casue ur storm armor will keep him uncloaked.. perma root nb, most nbs will be able to dodge roll 5 - 6 times.. and then just overload him to dead.. pop up det/immovability pot and streak tru him - pew pew, At least thats my tactic to kill esly nb as a sorc.. Agree that DKs and Temps have harder time, than nb/sorc vs nb.. but still.. they have their counters, Dks inferno will uncloak any1 close to DK, as for temp, who will play them?? i am sorry for my fellow templars, weakest class 1.7..

Cloak have so many counters, those counters are penalties.. no more needed, just jesss..

Stop magicka regen while cloaked, let cloak cost stack like bol or dodge roll... yeah GG just make this skill completly useless, because i want to kill nbs without any efforts.. its so hard to catch them, bla bla..

Dracane

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Each Nightblades uses fear to counter blocks, as good as all melees have gap closers to counter Bolt escape and many people are using lightning staff, Jesus Beam and similar things to counter dodge roll and all of the 3 just mentioned have penalties. But Cloak, no cloak does not of course ! Change that already. And to counter cloak, you have to slot the most ridiculous things and even have to sacrifise 1 valueable restoring potions.

Up until this patch, when IC DLC drops this day, Cloak already had the penalty of being hit by almost any attack and Cloak would break, also how about the time when Nightblades own abilities, like Strife would bring them out of Cloak and it wasn't fixed for a large amount of time or when Gap closers would always make Cloak fail. Cloak doesn't have penalties because for the last year and a half it was already working like crap and it was not intended to not break on Single target attacks (as per the DEV's, Eric Wrobel on ESO live said so), now it will still break on AOE attacks and RML (Radiant Magelight), AvA Flares and Detect Potions..

if you can't handle it.....Tough, L2P.

Well nice, so now where cloak is fixed, it can get a penalty.

And watch your outrageous tongue, you're beginning to annoy me pretty bad with your sarcastic insults and lessons.

BuggeX

Ryuho wrote: »

Srry Drac, but coming that from sorc is not in right place, lets say.. As sorc u have additional bar, slot there flare.. U wont waste precious skill slot this way, also as sorc - streak and stay close to nb, he wont be able to cloak, casue ur storm armor will keep him uncloaked.. perma root nb, most nbs will be able to dodge roll 5 - 6 times.. and then just overload him to dead.. pop up det/immovability pot and streak tru him - pew pew, At least thats my tactic to kill esly nb as a sorc.. Agree that DKs and Temps have harder time, than nb/sorc vs nb.. but still.. they have their counters, Dks inferno will uncloak any1 close to DK, as for temp, who will play them?? i am sorry for my fellow templars, weakest class 1.7..

Inferno does not work to stealthed Players...

Isbilen

BuggeX wrote: »

Ryuho wrote: »

Srry Drac, but coming that from sorc is not in right place, lets say.. As sorc u have additional bar, slot there flare.. U wont waste precious skill slot this way, also as sorc - streak and stay close to nb, he wont be able to cloak, casue ur storm armor will keep him uncloaked.. perma root nb, most nbs will be able to dodge roll 5 - 6 times.. and then just overload him to dead.. pop up det/immovability pot and streak tru him - pew pew, At least thats my tactic to kill esly nb as a sorc.. Agree that DKs and Temps have harder time, than nb/sorc vs nb.. but still.. they have their counters, Dks inferno will uncloak any1 close to DK, as for temp, who will play them?? i am sorry for my fellow templars, weakest class 1.7..

Inferno does not work to stealthed Players...

It does! It's an area damage spell with a 15 meter range. I use it all the time on live, although even 15 meter is often not enough even if you have to switch to the bar with it as soon as the NB cloaks.

BuggeX

Isbilen wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Ryuho wrote: »

Srry Drac, but coming that from sorc is not in right place, lets say.. As sorc u have additional bar, slot there flare.. U wont waste precious skill slot this way, also as sorc - streak and stay close to nb, he wont be able to cloak, casue ur storm armor will keep him uncloaked.. perma root nb, most nbs will be able to dodge roll 5 - 6 times.. and then just overload him to dead.. pop up det/immovability pot and streak tru him - pew pew, At least thats my tactic to kill esly nb as a sorc.. Agree that DKs and Temps have harder time, than nb/sorc vs nb.. but still.. they have their counters, Dks inferno will uncloak any1 close to DK, as for temp, who will play them?? i am sorry for my fellow templars, weakest class 1.7..

Inferno does not work to stealthed Players...

It does! It's an area damage spell with a 15 meter range. I use it all the time on live, although even 15 meter is often not enough even if you have to switch to the bar with it as soon as the NB cloaks.

ohh, i never noticed this and i used flame of oblivions a lot

Ryuho

BuggeX wrote: »

Isbilen wrote: »

BuggeX wrote: »

Ryuho wrote: »

Srry Drac, but coming that from sorc is not in right place, lets say.. As sorc u have additional bar, slot there flare.. U wont waste precious skill slot this way, also as sorc - streak and stay close to nb, he wont be able to cloak, casue ur storm armor will keep him uncloaked.. perma root nb, most nbs will be able to dodge roll 5 - 6 times.. and then just overload him to dead.. pop up det/immovability pot and streak tru him - pew pew, At least thats my tactic to kill esly nb as a sorc.. Agree that DKs and Temps have harder time, than nb/sorc vs nb.. but still.. they have their counters, Dks inferno will uncloak any1 close to DK, as for temp, who will play them?? i am sorry for my fellow templars, weakest class 1.7..

Inferno does not work to stealthed Players...

It does! It's an area damage spell with a 15 meter range. I use it all the time on live, although even 15 meter is often not enough even if you have to switch to the bar with it as soon as the NB cloaks.

ohh, i never noticed this and i used flame of oblivions a lot

yeah, as i wrote one of the cloak counters ^^ great for 1 vs 1 (dk vs nb) especially in small areas, like inside hause or so..

kaithuzar

Magic NB's will still have a terrible time in IC as we CAN"T KILL ANYTHING. So what if we can perma cloak, if you're NOT PUMPING OUT DMG YOU DON"T KILL ANYTHING. And the sustain really sucks so it's difficult to spec into sustain & damage.
Even after doing this we still CAN"T KILL ANYTHING because we have the LOWEST DPS OF ANY CLASS.
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