ZOS has no excuses for not making an arena PvP mode. BECAUSE THEY ALREADY DID

Casdha

I think if dueling were to be put in it should be done in a fashion where folks could also go and observe the matches from the stands and bet on the matches.

Troneon

Arena mode would highlight too much all the bugged, exploitable skills that don't work properly and then they would have to actually fix them...

Don't be silly...that will never happen...

ChibiMechaX78

Casdha wrote: »

I think if dueling were to be put in it should be done in a fashion where folks could also go and observe the matches from the stands and bet on the matches.

Kinda like those troll duels in the game?

Interesting as it would be, I doubt ZOS would add a UI to allow us to do that. I see it more probable that we are allowed to duel, and for the rest of us set up the dueling tourneys ourselves. Then we'd set up the bets. Though I must admit, an actual Arena set up just for us to duel, and bet sounds more official, and approachable.

Kuroinu

ChibiMechaX78 wrote: »

Casdha wrote: »

I think if dueling were to be put in it should be done in a fashion where folks could also go and observe the matches from the stands and bet on the matches.

Kinda like those troll duels in the game?

Interesting as it would be, I doubt ZOS would add a UI to allow us to do that. I see it more probable that we are allowed to duel, and for the rest of us set up the dueling tourneys ourselves. Then we'd set up the bets. Though I must admit, an actual Arena set up just for us to duel, and bet sounds more official, and approachable.

I want to tame a Troll, equip it with weapons & armour and go battle! Monster Hunter, Pokemon, The Elder Scrolls Online: Troll Wars. Lol...

Jokes aside, something like this has the potential to be fun.

Tandor

MrGrimey wrote: »

Tors wrote: »

McSwaggins wrote: »

its what everyone wants

No, Its not. Its what YOU want. A few vocal people on a forum does not make your statement even close to true.

Go play WoW with their arena. Thats a nice fair playing field.......


Small scale PvP is utterly unbalanced, this game was sold as RvR which IS balanced.

If this game is not for you, then find a game that it is, don't try to turn this game into a clone of a subpar game.

Change is good for a game, but mirroring what was bad in other games is not.

Wow! So many fallacies in what you said

1. How do you know that's not what the majority wants? Did you take a poll?

2. WoW is not the only mmo with an arena and battle grounds.. Btw, taking a few pointers from a game with millions of subs is not a bad thing

3. Small scale pvp is unbalanced? Are you an expert on game balance now? Have you tested it? Do you feel that our current lag fest, Zerg vs Zerg is balanced?

4. A simple request for a common mmo feature is not a bad thing or makes this game into a clone of anything.

5. "Mirroring what was bad in other games". That's purely your opinion, but again, these are common mmo features and it's not an outlandish request to have arenas, battlegrounds and a dueling option. You may not like it for some reason, but it being "bad" is simply your opinion. Not everyone has to like what you like

We aren't talking about a majority, the response you're quoting was a rejection of the OP's claim that "everyone" wants an arena, and you don't need a poll to disprove that, you only need to read this topic and others like it.

Dagoth_Rac

There are a hundred arena-style games out there. And most only do arena PvP, letting them laser focus on balance and gameplay in the arena. If ZOS had to balance PvE, and large-scale warfare PvP, and small-scale arena PvP? Yikes. Arena mode PvP just opens up a big can of worms in a game that already has enough balance issues.

JacksonCarter13

No arena because no balance. They don't have the time or need to fix PVP enough so that arena would work well: really sucks because this actually might make this game something special

Corpsage

Skiserony wrote: »

Because we've got Cyrodiil and IC coming up. Having a prototype does not means it's ready and good to implement in the game.

This arena was played during Quakecon 2014. Prototype? Think again.

contact.opiumb16_ESO

McSwaggins wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR1ccuyGCwA

why isn't this in ESO yet like come on, its what everyone wants and they made it a year ago and still didn't add it.

No, i do not

Most_Awesome

At this current time Arenas would be total crap with teams of fully Nirned up double Mundas exploiters

firstdecan

The OP is right, there's no reason for this to not be in the game. Friends can 1v1 as long as they're in different alliances and don't normally play together, but it's silly that friends who raid together can't duel each other. An arena would also be an opportunity for rank matching, players could 1v1 against someone with a similar skill level. The fact that this feature is not in the game is just a sign of the short sightedness of ZoS' product development team.

Thecapeo

I would kill for some way to consistently engage in small scale PvP and duels. The only time I find PvP really enjoyable right now is when that happens organically away from a zerg and that is few and far between in the zerg/gank cycle that is Cyrodiil right now.

Lord Xanhorn

The problem is that different isn't always better. It can be if you actually improve on the standard like this game does in some areas, but just to say you have something that's not standard doesn't make it better.

This game for instance uses the different is better mentality too often IMO.

In some instances different is way better. Character build freedom, skill choice, build choices, combat fluidity etc.

In other areas, different is not better. End game gear grind or lack of it, no global auction house, no small scale PVP.

You can't just remove aspects of the genre and then say its better cause its not like every other game out there.

dday3six

PVE and PVP as it exists now already steps on each others toes in terms of balance. Adding a dueling arena will just exacerbate that, and because the game is centered around vertical character progression, players with more time invested will always have a stat advantage.

Just like with Cyrodiil players will want to be able to enter the arena early, at a low level, and expect to able to ignore nearly all aspects of character progression while still being competitive. Some will like it, but most will just complain about this being OP or that being OP. This tactic being unskillful and on and on...ad nauseam. When the real issue is lack of willingness to progress their character.

Tandor

Corpsage wrote: »

Skiserony wrote: »

Because we've got Cyrodiil and IC coming up. Having a prototype does not means it's ready and good to implement in the game.

This arena was played during Quakecon 2014. Prototype? Think again.

And did those who played it at Quakecon 2014 say it looked good to go Live across all current platforms?

Tors

1v1 will not work in ESO

The game is balanced around 3 realms all having the same choices in characters.

Sorcs and KB will have a massive advantage in smaller scale fights MASSIVE

QuebraRegra

I smell a DLC opportunity!

Instanced arenas, with selectable variables, like CP, NPCs, battle leveling, traps, etc. There could be OPEN arenas where anyone could watch or private arenas with invite only.

I imagine a competitive "ladder" system could be offered, with wagering on bouts, etc.

I'm not terribly interested, but it could be fun and an easy source of money for ZOS.

Waffennacht

How can people,be against adding something optional???

Are you so engrained in the 20 player, who the hell knows who killed whom silliness that is, that you wont let other's do one on one?
The only reason i PvP is to compare my build to others. The current seige and seige weapons bore me. As a tank I want to get in the fight, with 15 opponents you have to stick by your lines (BORING) and if the numbers aren't even you are fubar.

An arena option would be freaking great

dday3six

Waffennacht wrote: »

How can people,be against adding something optional???

Personally I'm against it because even if I didn't play it, balance changes to cater to 1v1 combat would still alter skills I use in PVE or the existing PVP.

MrGrimey

Again, no mmo is balanced for 1v1, that said, they all still have a 1v1 dueling option for FUN... Not like they intended this game to be a Zerg vs Zerg AOE lag fest either, so that argument is out the window

themdogesbite

People are worried about Cyrodiil populations but IC will be free to enter no matter what the state the map is and it does not matter which keeps you control in order to gain acess.. Cyrodiil will be close to a dead zone cus theres no reason to play there in terms of rewards. Instead we will be stuck with TDM endless respawns PvP in the districts that are... quite boring.

Arenas are something thats should´ve been in the game for a long time already, im not sure i can even imagine my skills popping off without 10 FPS and 999+ ping anymore though.

dlepi24

Seth_Black wrote: »

Maybe ZOS doesn't want people focus ONLY on dueling?
So many pvp maniacs out there crying about it since all they want is 1v1
and Cyrodiil is about whatever available vs whatever comes.
Tbh this system is way better and people need to engage into something bigger than
'Ego Booster' in form of duels. Just face it ...you all want to beat someone to feel better...
If they will ever fall for this stupid idea I hope it will be completely different zone, so this will free
rest of the players from queues we've got now.
or just make another game Mortal Kombat ESO

No, I just don't like getting zerged. I'm looking for a fair fight, not a slaughter by 50 that have to ride together to kill 1 or 2 people.

Kuroinu

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

People are worried about Cyrodiil populations but IC will be free to enter no matter what the state the map is and it does not matter which keeps you control in order to gain acess.. Cyrodiil will be close to a dead zone cus theres no reason to play there in terms of rewards. Instead we will be stuck with TDM endless respawns PvP in the districts that are... quite boring.

Arenas are something thats should´ve been in the game for a long time already, im not sure i can even imagine my skills popping off without 10 FPS and 999+ ping anymore though.

I liked the idea of having certain keeps that give you access to IC. It would have gave more reason to stay competitive in Cyrodiil, but I understand why they aren't going to do this. If this was a free DLC no problem, but since it's a paid for DLC people have a problem with getting locked out of something they bought. It's too bad it wasn't ready at launch, then they could have done this.

Levo18

Im only for duels if there are not any rewards for it. No gear no ap just for fun so people would Still have a reason to go to cyrodiil so it doesnt become a ghost town

Waffennacht

I go to cyrodii for quests and maybe try and find a small pvp action.

Imho they seem really balanced right now with everyone being really good.

As for rewards you can do gold gamble, xp reward, or even pure PvP gear. It could be done and done well

QuebraRegra

dday3six wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

How can people,be against adding something optional???

Personally I'm against it because even if I didn't play it, balance changes to cater to 1v1 combat would still alter skills I use in PVE or the existing PVP.

Not necessarily... The arenas could have "rules" (balance) options which could be selected when creating a match. Balance could be determined by the participants of a given match without impacting the larger game.

QuebraRegra

Levo18 wrote: »

Im only for duels if there are not any rewards for it. No gear no ap just for fun so people would Still have a reason to go to cyrodiil so it doesnt become a ghost town

For notoriety, and for a cut of the wagers!

J2JMC

The option to duel members of your faction outside of cyrodil should be a thing. People may very well complain about skill x or y in these situations. ZOS already knows people duel and I don't think they balance the game around that currently. I don't see why adding a way to duel people within the same faction would change their line of thinking. I would just like to see "Request a duel" on the player interaction wheel. I think it's a nice thing for people who would like to engage in it.

Levo18 wrote: »

Im only for duels if there are not any rewards for it. No gear no ap just for fun so people would Still have a reason to go to cyrodiil so it doesnt become a ghost town

If enough people actually left cyrodiil over this that means they didn't want to play there in the first place.

dday3six

QuebraRegra wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

How can people,be against adding something optional???

Personally I'm against it because even if I didn't play it, balance changes to cater to 1v1 combat would still alter skills I use in PVE or the existing PVP.

Not necessarily... The arenas could have "rules" (balance) options which could be selected when creating a match. Balance could be determined by the participants of a given match without impacting the larger game.

Let's not even go into how much server space that sort of thing would eat up, and instead focus how as soon as a favored rule set emerged, and a particular class or build became dominate, players would start pining away for balance changes to adjust the meta and even out the rest. It isn't something which can be dealt with in player hosted lobbies that are all set to no X class, because that class happens to dominate. Players aren't likely to take a feature like that seriously and Devs aren't likely to want players to be able to effectively shut out one class from being able to participate in a feature either.

MrGrimey

Everybody worried about cryodiil population... Maybe that's a good sign that people want structured arena if everyone think cryodiil will be a ghost town. Give the people what they want!