ZOS has no excuses for not making an arena PvP mode. BECAUSE THEY ALREADY DID

McSwaggins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR1ccuyGCwA

why isn't this in ESO yet like come on, its what everyone wants and they made it a year ago and still didn't add it.

Skiserony

Because we've got Cyrodiil and IC coming up. Having a prototype does not means it's ready and good to implement in the game.

Swannkyy

Skiserony wrote: »

Because we've got Cyrodiil and IC coming up. Having a prototype does not means it's ready and good to implement in the game.

Considering this video is from over a year ago i have no clue how it couldn't be ready though, honestly.

Seth_Black

Maybe ZOS doesn't want people focus ONLY on dueling?
So many pvp maniacs out there crying about it since all they want is 1v1
and Cyrodiil is about whatever available vs whatever comes.
Tbh this system is way better and people need to engage into something bigger than
'Ego Booster' in form of duels. Just face it ...you all want to beat someone to feel better...
If they will ever fall for this stupid idea I hope it will be completely different zone, so this will free
rest of the players from queues we've got now.
or just make another game Mortal Kombat ESO

Tankqull

its simple because it was a promotional gig at a convention wich normaly start at 9o´clock in the morning where on the life servers is not much action convention guests could participate in (and not beeing demolished by players knowing the game allready inside out creating bad vipes) so they created a that arena for the sole purpose of conventions.

F7sus4

Skiserony wrote: »

Because we've got Cyrodiil and IC coming up. Having a prototype does not means it's ready and good to implement in the game.

What sort of mechanics prevents it from being put in the game? The mechanics lie by class/character side, whereas the only requirement for the place was to create separate instances and a respawn point. That must be complicated.

Skiserony

First of all, as I said. We have Cyrodiil!! That is the reason why.

In that time, or even now, it's not encouraging enough to implement this into the game because it will affect Cyrodiil. It's half the game itself, and anything that might affect that in a bad way should not be implemented.

Besides, there are plenty of duels in Cyrodiil, as 2v2, 3v3, AvAvA, pokemon, certain games, ...

If you really want to do those things, reach out to some PvP guilds.

Tors

McSwaggins wrote: »

its what everyone wants

No, Its not. Its what YOU want. A few vocal people on a forum does not make your statement even close to true.

Go play WoW with their arena. Thats a nice fair playing field.......


Small scale PvP is utterly unbalanced, this game was sold as RvR which IS balanced.

If this game is not for you, then find a game that it is, don't try to turn this game into a clone of a subpar game.

Change is good for a game, but mirroring what was bad in other games is not.

Kuroinu

If people are scared of an Arena hurting the population of Cyrodiil and Imperial City, I agree it's possible that it could depending on rewards and even just the enjoy-ability of the content. I made a suggestion for an alternative PvP Tournament that could work and not interfere much with the Alliance War. Click me!

Tors

Riko_Futatabi wrote: »

If people are scared of an Arena hurting the population of Cyrodiil and Imperial City]

I doubt that very much. The actual amount of people that would use the arena past the initial "whats it like" rush would be tiny. Especially when people realise they can only compete with very specific classes and builds

MrGrimey

Tors wrote: »

McSwaggins wrote: »

its what everyone wants

No, Its not. Its what YOU want. A few vocal people on a forum does not make your statement even close to true.

Go play WoW with their arena. Thats a nice fair playing field.......


Small scale PvP is utterly unbalanced, this game was sold as RvR which IS balanced.

If this game is not for you, then find a game that it is, don't try to turn this game into a clone of a subpar game.

Change is good for a game, but mirroring what was bad in other games is not.

Wow! So many fallacies in what you said

1. How do you know that's not what the majority wants? Did you take a poll?

2. WoW is not the only mmo with an arena and battle grounds.. Btw, taking a few pointers from a game with millions of subs is not a bad thing

3. Small scale pvp is unbalanced? Are you an expert on game balance now? Have you tested it? Do you feel that our current lag fest, Zerg vs Zerg is balanced?

4. A simple request for a common mmo feature is not a bad thing or makes this game into a clone of anything.

5. "Mirroring what was bad in other games". That's purely your opinion, but again, these are common mmo features and it's not an outlandish request to have arenas, battlegrounds and a dueling option. You may not like it for some reason, but it being "bad" is simply your opinion. Not everyone has to like what you like

Skiserony

MrGrimey wrote: »

Tors wrote: »

McSwaggins wrote: »

its what everyone wants

No, Its not. Its what YOU want. A few vocal people on a forum does not make your statement even close to true.

Go play WoW with their arena. Thats a nice fair playing field.......


Small scale PvP is utterly unbalanced, this game was sold as RvR which IS balanced.

If this game is not for you, then find a game that it is, don't try to turn this game into a clone of a subpar game.

Change is good for a game, but mirroring what was bad in other games is not.

Wow! So many fallacies in what you said

1. How do you know that's not what the majority wants? Did you take a poll?

2. WoW is not the only mmo with an arena and battle grounds.. Btw, taking a few pointers from a game with millions of subs is not a bad thing

3. Small scale pvp is unbalanced? Are you an expert on game balance now? Have you tested it? Do you feel that our current lag fest, Zerg vs Zerg is balanced?

4. A simple request for a common mmo feature is not a bad thing or makes this game into a clone of anything.

5. "Mirroring what was bad in other games". That's purely your opinion, but again, these are common mmo features and it's not an outlandish request to have arenas, battlegrounds and a dueling option. You may not like it for some reason, but it being "bad" is simply your opinion. Not everyone has to like what you like

1. There is a higher chance the majority doesn't want it implemented. There are several reasons for these. The fact the maybe the majority would like it, I cannot agree with. But that does not mean the majority wants it, for several reasons, how fun it may look.
2. If we would compare to WoW, we're not even there yet. That game is a million years older than this one. It's hard to state because of that the pvp gameplay in ESO would be good or bad.
3. Are you? It's a fact that this game is not completely balanced yet. Small scaled and zergs, but zergs always have the upperhand which is also the most logical way. Stam NBs and mag Sorcs can easily take on a bigger group while other builds have a hard time. We're not there yet, but we're getting there.
4. I think ZoS indeed appreciates requests, nothing wrong in that. But I suppose they've considered this arena already before and have no plans to implement it yet for probably pretty important reasons.
5. That's mostly up to the player himself what's bad and what not. But asking for new things will bring new changes, which people may not like.

ZoS not implementing this Arena will have it's reasons, and I will not complain about that. It's not like we can demand it, we can only ask for it. Maybe one day it'll be there, just know that many changes will come with it. Just like we have had two major changes (next one included I mean) to the game. This game needs it's balancing first, then requests as these are appropriate.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to have an arena, that's what I always love to play in other games. But I love this game as how it is now, and I'd rather wait for a good arena without other content etting affected by it.

vamp_emily

Seth_Black wrote: »

Maybe ZOS doesn't want people focus ONLY on dueling?
So many pvp maniacs out there crying about it since all they want is 1v1
and Cyrodiil is about whatever available vs whatever comes.
Tbh this system is way better and people need to engage into something bigger than
'Ego Booster' in form of duels. Just face it ...you all want to beat someone to feel better...
If they will ever fall for this stupid idea I hope it will be completely different zone, so this will free
rest of the players from queues we've got now.
or just make another game Mortal Kombat ESO

I would never last in a 1v1 fight, but I totally disagree with your statement. Games are meant to be fun, and just because you think something is stupid it doesn't mean it is.

We all are different, we all like different things, so let the pvp maniac Ego Boosters have their 1v1 battles.

krees28b14_ESO

Didn't the guy that created arenas in WoW say it was the worst thing they did to the game. Something to that extent. Swear I read that somewhere in an article.

Casdha

I always love the argument that a certain type of play will kill another type of play because it would hurt the population in the game play they are defending if were to be allowed. Folks who argue this way are basically admitting, no telling ZOS hey everyone wants to do this, so don't do it, and they are also telling them that the majority of players are on the other side of the argument from what they are trying to defend.

Now I don't know, and I don't care, which side has more players, I'm sure ZOS does, but I always find the argument hilarious none the less.

Mighty_oakk

Pvp would need to be completely rebalanced. If you want 1v1 pvp best just to buy a game with 1v1 pvp

DracoBeowulf

Make it so the arena is only open once or twice a week. Problem solved.

Lightninvash

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

Pvp would need to be completely rebalanced. If you want 1v1 pvp best just to buy a game with 1v1 pvp

agreed just go play runescape it has a duel arena for u go play that

Tandor

McSwaggins wrote: »

why isn't this in ESO yet like come on, its what everyone wants and they made it a year ago and still didn't add it.

It's not what I want.

Swannkyy

If you don't want it, that's fine. But, there are quite a lot of people who do want arena/battlegrounds and if they added that it'd make the game funner for those people (myself included). Now, if they happened to add it and you don't want to do small scale arenas, don't play them... People who want to zerg vs zerg vs lag and take keeps can continue doing that, people who want to play in the arena for small scale can do what they find funner too. It's literally a win-win for everyone if they add it, and i seriously doubt that adding arenas would kill Cyrodiil, because i'm sure a lot of people who played the arenas would still often go into Cyrodiil for open world, and there would be all the people who don't want to play the arenas anyway.

BuggeX

Still no Support for Arenas from me.

Swannkyy wrote: »

If you don't want it, that's fine. But, there are quite a lot of people who do want arena/battlegrounds and if they added that it'd make the game funner for those people (myself included). Now, if they happened to add it and you don't want to do small scale arenas, don't play them... People who want to zerg vs zerg vs lag and take keeps can continue doing that, people who want to play in the arena for small scale can do what they find funner too. It's literally a win-win for everyone if they add it, and i seriously doubt that adding arenas would kill Cyrodiil, because i'm sure a lot of people who played the arenas would still often go into Cyrodiil for open world, and there would be all the people who don't want to play the arenas anyway.

and will ruin it for the others, no ty.

Sithisvoid

Duels are the only true test of skill in pvp like this. There's no skill in zerging

Emma_Overload

LOL at all the AP farmers and zerg lovers who come out of the woodwork to shout down the sensible players who have been asking for arenas and dueling since LAUNCH.

FACE IT: the only reason NOT to want an Arena is because you are scared of running out of CANNON FODDER in Cyrodiil. These people don't want Arena duels because that would mean having FAIR FIGHTS, not the Gank-or-Zerg meta we have now.

starkerealm

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

FACE IT: the only reason NOT to want an Arena is because you are scared of running out of CANNON FODDER in Cyrodiil.

Or you actually like the idea of large scale warfare as PvP, even if you're slightly disappointed in the zerg that emerged.

Sithisvoid

starkerealm wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

FACE IT: the only reason NOT to want an Arena is because you are scared of running out of CANNON FODDER in Cyrodiil.

Or you actually like the idea of large scale warfare as PvP, even if you're slightly disappointed in the zerg that emerged.

But no one loses the large scale warfare. When people fight progress like this i just fail to understand because you lose nothing by us gaining dueling. You're just fighting it to fight

starkerealm

Sithisvoid wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

FACE IT: the only reason NOT to want an Arena is because you are scared of running out of CANNON FODDER in Cyrodiil.

Or you actually like the idea of large scale warfare as PvP, even if you're slightly disappointed in the zerg that emerged.

But no one loses the large scale warfare. When people fight progress like this i just fail to understand because you lose nothing by us gaining dueling. You're just fighting it to fight

Yeah, in my case it's more apathy than actually not wanting it. I do despise small format dueling. It's leftover from my time with STO, but that doesn't mean I think no one should have the option.

Zachy_B

MrGrimey wrote: »

Tors wrote: »

McSwaggins wrote: »

its what everyone wants

No, Its not. Its what YOU want. A few vocal people on a forum does not make your statement even close to true.

Go play WoW with their arena. Thats a nice fair playing field.......


Small scale PvP is utterly unbalanced, this game was sold as RvR which IS balanced.

If this game is not for you, then find a game that it is, don't try to turn this game into a clone of a subpar game.

Change is good for a game, but mirroring what was bad in other games is not.

Wow! So many fallacies in what you said

1. How do you know that's not what the majority wants? Did you take a poll?

2. WoW is not the only mmo with an arena and battle grounds.. Btw, taking a few pointers from a game with millions of subs is not a bad thing

3. Small scale pvp is unbalanced? Are you an expert on game balance now? Have you tested it? Do you feel that our current lag fest, Zerg vs Zerg is balanced?

4. A simple request for a common mmo feature is not a bad thing or makes this game into a clone of anything.

5. "Mirroring what was bad in other games". That's purely your opinion, but again, these are common mmo features and it's not an outlandish request to have arenas, battlegrounds and a dueling option. You may not like it for some reason, but it being "bad" is simply your opinion. Not everyone has to like what you like

I'm gonna have to 100% agree with you here. And to top it all off, I would effing LOVE if arena came to eso. It's what this game is missing. And for the record, I loved wow and loved their arena, I would not even remotely consider it being "bad" lmao. Good rebuttals sir.

mrdankles

We need arenas!!!

Sithisvoid

I mean we have dueling now but it's really hard to prevent getting smashed by 40 dudes running by lol. That or ppl screenshot you with the "enemy" faction and think you're boosting or cheating somehow. "Sorry just dueling here, nothing to see"

ChibiMechaX78

I'm gonna add my own two cents on this as far as Dueling goes PvP wise.

I think adding it as a feature of the game would simply just add more to the game.

Cyrodil is a large scale PvP arena.

Compare the two, and the obvious difference is the scale. Of course one CAN potentially duel in Cyrodil, but not in the same traditional fashion, and convenience of simply challenging someone.

One of the problems I see just by thinking on it a little is how quickly people may whine, and how some ability or class unbalanced over the other. I see the frequency of these rise dramatically. In my experience, an overabundance of this type of feedback isn't very useful (most of the time) sometimes it helps.

Another thing I would fear is the potential gradual toxicity of the community, and nobody wants that. You'll see people being sore about losing, which then lies the groundwork for more undesirable emotional words to fly in proximity chat.

The silver lining is that drama would satisfy some of our entertainment , but when these get to frequent... Let's just say I will get eventually tired of seeing the same show's episode over and over again.

Forestd16b14_ESO

Just add arenas already ZoS and those who say no well all I can say is maybe were tired of the gank N zerg meta that's we have now. You AP farmers may think pvp is flawless but in truth it's not at all no were near flawless. Players don't want a arena players NEED a arena. Or you gankers afraid that you'll loose all braging rights cause you don't have 20 other gankers at your sides melting that one guy ?