Where is this horrible VR grind some complain about?

Dahkoht

This horrific horrible grind in the VR levels , where is it ?

I've yet to see anything that remotely seems "slow" at all. Is it just because you don't get one an hour and max out in two days ?

I guess as someone who played and enjoyed EQ , Lineage 2 , really any mmo years ago that didn't give you levels every 30 mins , I just don't see where this slow or long grind is.

bigbabyleonb16_ESO

I keep hearing about it but only place i found was the pig farm thing and find it stupid.

Huckdabuck

The horrific grind is the entire game prior to Cyrodiil at V14.

Mighty_oakk

Dahkoht wrote: »

This horrific horrible grind in the VR levels , where is it ?

I've yet to see anything that remotely seems "slow" at all. Is it just because you don't get one an hour and max out in two days ?

I guess as someone who played and enjoyed EQ , Lineage 2 , really any mmo years ago that didn't give you levels every 30 mins , I just don't see where this slow or long grind is.

Did it really take you a year to get to VRs?

Looks like your a pc player o.O

Lightninvash

Dahkoht wrote: »

This horrific horrible grind in the VR levels , where is it ?

I've yet to see anything that remotely seems "slow" at all. Is it just because you don't get one an hour and max out in two days ?

I guess as someone who played and enjoyed EQ , Lineage 2 , really any mmo years ago that didn't give you levels every 30 mins , I just don't see where this slow or long grind is.

I'm in agreement because I grinded to near vet 5 in 2 days stopped only to do the Caldwell silver quests to get to the gold area for better grinding. that being said for the end game levels that start to matter grinding vet lvls was easy I went from vet2-4 in 4 hrs other mmos I've played took weeks or longer for one level of grinding all day the later levels took even longer like a month for 1 lvl so where is the challenge in vet lvling

BuggeX

My Toon is atm v4, soon v5. he finished the first 2 Zones from Silver, and has done 8 Silver/Gold Daylis. I have ESO+

With the Feature Change to EXP Requirement and increes of Xp gian, you will Outlvl zones right after you leaf the firt silver Zone.
Means, my Toon will get 0 Loot, 0 Exp, 0 *** nothing right with the 3/4 Silver Zone.

Well ZOS, fist time i am mad with you Change........

Shogunami

Dahkoht wrote: »

I guess as someone who played and enjoyed EQ , Lineage 2 , really any mmo years ago that didn't give you levels every 30 mins , I just don't see where this slow or long grind is.

As someone who too has played Lineage 2 (since US beta) I have to say that this game has a tendency to feel almost just as grindy. Given, it doesn't take several days to grind one level, but it's still a chore and reflects poor design decisions.

Having done questing and points of interests all the way from lvl 1 to VR4-5, I realized that the grind wasn't the actual grinding of mobs, but rather the grinding of quests. And once you start grinding mobs instead you can get a VR an hour if you're in the right spot and have the right spec.

Exp SHOULD to be the best in Cyrodiil, but I doubt this will ever happen.

Hope499

Meh, got the game maybe a month ago, VR8 and I have been trying ALL GAME to slow the hell down. I keep getting 1 level ahead of the area I am in, and the damn story is too easy.....like some challenge in my game, but my damn guy keeps leveling up! Wish i could turn XP leveling off...

NateAssassin

People don't realize you can get a veteran level every 2 hours.

Three words: Cracked Wood Cave

Lightninvash

Hope499 wrote: »

Meh, got the game maybe a month ago, VR8 and I have been trying ALL GAME to slow the hell down. I keep getting 1 level ahead of the area I am in, and the damn story is too easy.....like some challenge in my game, but my damn guy keeps leveling up! Wish i could turn XP leveling off...

vet dungeons are supposed to be significantly harder I wouldn't know have not ran one yet so far ive been waiting tiill I gain higher vet ranks to do so. but try them that could provide a challenge. also trial at vet 10 should be another one

Eshelmen

Cool story.
Now get the Grand Overlord title and tell us how short that grind is.

Waffennacht

Found a challenge I can do is half of the dungeons (maybe a bit more) solo. I find it currently impossible to solo Arx Corinium. Thats a challenge.

I also out leveled a TON of content, want a challenge try gaining a vet level by doing lvl 30 quests lol.

I have not gained a vet level in 3 days. Also glad to hear where I can grind and that most "grinding" is doing quests.

Flaminir

Dahkoht wrote: »

This horrific horrible grind in the VR levels , where is it ?

I've yet to see anything that remotely seems "slow" at all. Is it just because you don't get one an hour and max out in two days ?

I guess as someone who played and enjoyed EQ , Lineage 2 , really any mmo years ago that didn't give you levels every 30 mins , I just don't see where this slow or long grind is.

In some areas you can get a vet level in just over an hour quite easily.

I got two in about 2.5hrs last night on an alt in a PvE zone. With an XP scroll and with another person in the group its very easy... and when its that quick you can just stick a film on in the background and it flys by.

I prefer questing tbh... but with lots of alts its faster to grind.

SO erm... yeah I agree totally with you OP... the grind isn't what people make it out to be.

Back in the days of requiring 4Million XP per vet level.. .now THAT was a grind!

willymchilybily

Lightninvash wrote: »

Dahkoht wrote: »

This horrific horrible grind in the VR levels , where is it ?

I've yet to see anything that remotely seems "slow" at all. Is it just because you don't get one an hour and max out in two days ?

I guess as someone who played and enjoyed EQ , Lineage 2 , really any mmo years ago that didn't give you levels every 30 mins , I just don't see where this slow or long grind is.

I'm in agreement because I grinded to near vet 5 in 2 days stopped only to do the Caldwell silver quests to get to the gold area for better grinding. that being said for the end game levels that start to matter grinding vet lvls was easy I went from vet2-4 in 4 hrs other mmos I've played took weeks or longer for one level of grinding all day the later levels took even longer like a month for 1 lvl so where is the challenge in vet lvling

the difference for me is if i look at say WoW. I could do a lot of content on my way up to the level cap. It took me far longer than this VR cap, but it had stuff to keep me going and content to vary it up and new gear, not the same gear sets with a different level stamped on it.

At the moment it seems the VR1 to VR14 gap has no content but grinding and questing for me, especially on console. i cant find groups to do vet dungeons, i cant text chat. I cant find dedicated PVE guilds in game, and Pugs are hit and miss, even the "PVP guild" im in is hit and miss. I cant PVP with out getting reamed because higher VR kick my ass, and I get very little XP for straight PVP so get discouraged. it feels like a barrier i need to grind passed to reach the greener grass on the other side.

its not how long it takes to level. Its the feeling I'm missing out until i hit that level. you might as well say 5 minutes isn't a long time, but i think you might change your tune if you were in a steel cage underwater holding your breath.

Lightninvash

willymchilybily wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

Dahkoht wrote: »

This horrific horrible grind in the VR levels , where is it ?

I've yet to see anything that remotely seems "slow" at all. Is it just because you don't get one an hour and max out in two days ?

I guess as someone who played and enjoyed EQ , Lineage 2 , really any mmo years ago that didn't give you levels every 30 mins , I just don't see where this slow or long grind is.

I'm in agreement because I grinded to near vet 5 in 2 days stopped only to do the Caldwell silver quests to get to the gold area for better grinding. that being said for the end game levels that start to matter grinding vet lvls was easy I went from vet2-4 in 4 hrs other mmos I've played took weeks or longer for one level of grinding all day the later levels took even longer like a month for 1 lvl so where is the challenge in vet lvling

the difference for me is if i look at say WoW. I could do a lot of content on my way up to the level cap. It took me far longer than this VR cap, but it had stuff to keep me going and content to vary it up and new gear, not the same gear sets with a different level stamped on it.

At the moment it seems the VR1 to VR14 gap has no content but grinding and questing for me, especially on console. i cant find groups to do vet dungeons, i cant text chat. I cant find dedicated PVE guilds in game, and Pugs are hit and miss, even the "PVP guild" im in is hit and miss. I cant PVP with out getting reamed because higher VR kick my ass, and I get very little XP for straight PVP so get discouraged. it feels like a barrier i need to grind passed to reach the greener grass on the other side.

its not how long it takes to level. Its the feeling I'm missing out until i hit that level. you might as well say 5 minutes isn't a long time, but i think you might change your tune if you were in a steel cage underwater holding your breath.

so you are implying that before vet levels there is more to do than grinding or quests and dungeons? because vet has trials vet dungeons champion points to strive for quests grinding and new areas to explore. but you are right pre vet has more content....

Tan9oSuccka

This game is great. To the people complaining:

Dagoth_Rac

BuggeX wrote: »

My Toon is atm v4, soon v5. he finished the first 2 Zones from Silver, and has done 8 Silver/Gold Daylis. I have ESO+

With the Feature Change to EXP Requirement and increes of Xp gian, you will Outlvl zones right after you leaf the firt silver Zone.
Means, my Toon will get 0 Loot, 0 Exp, 0 *** nothing right with the 3/4 Silver Zone.

Well ZOS, fist time i am mad with you Change........

You always get loot and XP from Veteran Level content. For example, a VR14 will get loot and XP from killing VR1 mobs. The amount of XP you get, though, is reduced. I believe a VR14 killing VR1 enemies will get 30% of the XP that a VR1 killing VR1 enemies will get. Loot seems to be the same, though. Heck, my VR14 did Vaults of Madness scaled to Level 47 the other day and I still got XP and loot! I think any mob above Level 45 will give XP no matter what level you are.

Magdalina

The issues people get is when they
1)are really set on doing a specific type of content, such as endgame group content(vet dungeons and especially Trials/vDSA) and PvP(which top level players do have an obvious advantage in, argueably to be changed with vet battle leveling coming) and see everything on the way to it as a grind, and a rather long and boring one
2)have 2+ alts. Trust me it's not fun to do all the same quests for 4th time.
If it's actual mobs grinding, that's still viable in certain places but ZOS loves nerfing it as soon as it learns about a grind spot. Unless it's a Cyrodiil delve apparently.

willymchilybily

Lightninvash wrote: »

willymchilybily wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

Dahkoht wrote: »

This horrific horrible grind in the VR levels , where is it ?

I've yet to see anything that remotely seems "slow" at all. Is it just because you don't get one an hour and max out in two days ?

I guess as someone who played and enjoyed EQ , Lineage 2 , really any mmo years ago that didn't give you levels every 30 mins , I just don't see where this slow or long grind is.

I'm in agreement because I grinded to near vet 5 in 2 days stopped only to do the Caldwell silver quests to get to the gold area for better grinding. that being said for the end game levels that start to matter grinding vet lvls was easy I went from vet2-4 in 4 hrs other mmos I've played took weeks or longer for one level of grinding all day the later levels took even longer like a month for 1 lvl so where is the challenge in vet lvling

the difference for me is if i look at say WoW. I could do a lot of content on my way up to the level cap. It took me far longer than this VR cap, but it had stuff to keep me going and content to vary it up and new gear, not the same gear sets with a different level stamped on it.

At the moment it seems the VR1 to VR14 gap has no content but grinding and questing for me, especially on console. i cant find groups to do vet dungeons, i cant text chat. I cant find dedicated PVE guilds in game, and Pugs are hit and miss, even the "PVP guild" im in is hit and miss. I cant PVP with out getting reamed because higher VR kick my ass, and I get very little XP for straight PVP so get discouraged. it feels like a barrier i need to grind passed to reach the greener grass on the other side.

its not how long it takes to level. Its the feeling I'm missing out until i hit that level. you might as well say 5 minutes isn't a long time, but i think you might change your tune if you were in a steel cage underwater holding your breath.

so you are implying that before vet levels there is more to do than grinding or quests and dungeons? because vet has trials vet dungeons champion points to strive for quests grinding and new areas to explore. but you are right pre vet has more content....

yes and i guess now im VR levelled i can still jump into the non-veteran pvp campaign like before.....

That's the problem with you sarcastic, self absorbed pc players, you dont put yourself in anyone else's shoes before you try to be witty and condescending.

you can tell me its me I'm the problem, there is no grind, but i had 12 PS4 friends playing this game i now have 5. and only 2 of those are active still. a 60% drop off in player population is what i see. maybe I'm a microcosm. but every one i actively speak to say, VR grind nah ill do something else.

UrQuan

The horrible VR grind only exists for people who don't want to quest through the other alliances. If you enjoy questing, you can easily get to VR14 before finishing your Cadwell's Gold zones without grinding - just by doing all of the content in those zones. There's enough content in each zone for you to level about 1.5 vet ranks per full zone (plus about 0.5 of a vet rank for each alliance's starter zone or zones).

Of course, long ago (significantly before console launch) the vet grind was legitimately a thing. Back then you didn't earn XP once you hit VR1, instead you earned vet points (or something - I actually don't remember what they were called), you didn't earn them for everything that you earn XP for now, and every single mob and boss in the Cadwell's Silver and Gold zones was much, much tougher than they are now. Also, I could be wrong, but I seem to remember it taking 1,500,000 XP per vet rank at one point. Or maybe that was when it wasn't XP? I don't know, that's all a bit fuzzy to me.

And in a very short time, people will have significantly less excuse to refer to "the horrible VR grind" as the amount of XP required to earn a vet rank is reduced from 1,000,000 to 750,000 and XP for quests and some other stuff is bumped up.

UrQuan

Magdalina wrote: »

2)have 2+ alts. Trust me it's not fun to do all the same quests for 4th time.

My 16 characters and I disagree. But that's one of those YMMV things. I can understand why a lot of people wouldn't enjoy doing those quests again, even if they enjoyed them the first time. Personally I like doing them again on a different character with a different build and a different backstory in my head (which means that for each quest that has a choice of how you complete it, I've done all of the options).

NateAssassin

I personally like the "veteran" grind, it shows which players are dedicated to the game and which players that will leave soon after starting.

Unlike 1-49, it doesn't take 1 day to get 15 ranks, it takes a few days to get one rank. In veteran areas I don't feel like I outlevel everything before I even get to do it, during 1-49 I was level 45 doing easy level 38 quests, not to mention I was veteran for 90% of the Coldharbour quests.

mrdankles

In...need...of....exp...exploits... Haha

Lightninvash

willymchilybily wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

willymchilybily wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

Dahkoht wrote: »

This horrific horrible grind in the VR levels , where is it ?

I've yet to see anything that remotely seems "slow" at all. Is it just because you don't get one an hour and max out in two days ?

I guess as someone who played and enjoyed EQ , Lineage 2 , really any mmo years ago that didn't give you levels every 30 mins , I just don't see where this slow or long grind is.

I'm in agreement because I grinded to near vet 5 in 2 days stopped only to do the Caldwell silver quests to get to the gold area for better grinding. that being said for the end game levels that start to matter grinding vet lvls was easy I went from vet2-4 in 4 hrs other mmos I've played took weeks or longer for one level of grinding all day the later levels took even longer like a month for 1 lvl so where is the challenge in vet lvling

the difference for me is if i look at say WoW. I could do a lot of content on my way up to the level cap. It took me far longer than this VR cap, but it had stuff to keep me going and content to vary it up and new gear, not the same gear sets with a different level stamped on it.

At the moment it seems the VR1 to VR14 gap has no content but grinding and questing for me, especially on console. i cant find groups to do vet dungeons, i cant text chat. I cant find dedicated PVE guilds in game, and Pugs are hit and miss, even the "PVP guild" im in is hit and miss. I cant PVP with out getting reamed because higher VR kick my ass, and I get very little XP for straight PVP so get discouraged. it feels like a barrier i need to grind passed to reach the greener grass on the other side.

its not how long it takes to level. Its the feeling I'm missing out until i hit that level. you might as well say 5 minutes isn't a long time, but i think you might change your tune if you were in a steel cage underwater holding your breath.

so you are implying that before vet levels there is more to do than grinding or quests and dungeons? because vet has trials vet dungeons champion points to strive for quests grinding and new areas to explore. but you are right pre vet has more content....

yes and i guess now im VR levelled i can still jump into the non-veteran pvp campaign like before.....

That's the problem with you sarcastic, self absorbed pc players, you dont put yourself in anyone else's shoes before you try to be witty and condescending.

you can tell me its me I'm the problem, there is no grind, but i had 12 PS4 friends playing this game i now have 5. and only 2 of those are active still. a 60% drop off in player population is what i see. maybe I'm a microcosm. but every one i actively speak to say, VR grind nah ill do something else.

"looks at my signature" yes clearly pc player... and non vet pvp is for low lvls who don't know what they are doing yet vet pvp is more rewarding in the feel and knowledge base of players you group with. aka harder like all games get at end game. also second reason is you play ps4 the ps4 community is tiny get used to it. you picked the wrong system imo. and if u have such an issue with the game no one is forcing you to play. so quit your wining here and enjoy the game like the rest of us... also you know you can make new active friends but complaining about everything is a sure way to not make friends ijs

briandivisionb16_ESO

Your post is rather stupid. I already have a V14 NB and finished all the quests. Now I want a DK, and the quests don't change so why screw around?

Dahkoht wrote: »

Is it just because you don't get one an hour and max out in two days ?

Actually grinding I can get one an hour and max out in two days.
PvP against max level players and get one-shot if you want. Me? I'll grind. I'll have 2 characters to play instead of one.

Good luck playing your own way, though. Try not to trample on others' playstyles. ^^

Dahkoht

willymchilybily wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

Dahkoht wrote: »

This horrific horrible grind in the VR levels , where is it ?

I've yet to see anything that remotely seems "slow" at all. Is it just because you don't get one an hour and max out in two days ?

I guess as someone who played and enjoyed EQ , Lineage 2 , really any mmo years ago that didn't give you levels every 30 mins , I just don't see where this slow or long grind is.

I'm in agreement because I grinded to near vet 5 in 2 days stopped only to do the Caldwell silver quests to get to the gold area for better grinding. that being said for the end game levels that start to matter grinding vet lvls was easy I went from vet2-4 in 4 hrs other mmos I've played took weeks or longer for one level of grinding all day the later levels took even longer like a month for 1 lvl so where is the challenge in vet lvling

the difference for me is if i look at say WoW. I could do a lot of content on my way up to the level cap. It took me far longer than this VR cap, but it had stuff to keep me going and content to vary it up and new gear, not the same gear sets with a different level stamped on it.

At the moment it seems the VR1 to VR14 gap has no content but grinding and questing for me, especially on console. i cant find groups to do vet dungeons, i cant text chat. I cant find dedicated PVE guilds in game, and Pugs are hit and miss, even the "PVP guild" im in is hit and miss. I cant PVP with out getting reamed because higher VR kick my ass, and I get very little XP for straight PVP so get discouraged. it feels like a barrier i need to grind passed to reach the greener grass on the other side.

its not how long it takes to level. Its the feeling I'm missing out until i hit that level. you might as well say 5 minutes isn't a long time, but i think you might change your tune if you were in a steel cage underwater holding your breath.

? Why are you choosing to play a game that makes you feel in any such way to begin with ?

My original point is that anyone, anyone who thinks leveling is any way "slow" in this game , either 1-50 or VR levels , must have never played another mmo , or just wants to start at max level immediately and play basically arena style combat game.

MMO's have always been about progression , and yes every has personal preference , honestly I rather grind mobs than quest , but a mix of either is fine to me.

The game starts when you login , whether it's level 1 or VR 12 , if you don't like what you are doing , why choose to spend your time doing a leisure activity you don't enjoy ?

Dahkoht

Mighty_oakk wrote: »

Dahkoht wrote: »

This horrific horrible grind in the VR levels , where is it ?

I've yet to see anything that remotely seems "slow" at all. Is it just because you don't get one an hour and max out in two days ?

I guess as someone who played and enjoyed EQ , Lineage 2 , really any mmo years ago that didn't give you levels every 30 mins , I just don't see where this slow or long grind is.

Did it really take you a year to get to VRs?

Looks like your a pc player o.O

No , started over. Two characters , main one been enjoying PVP non vet , will max out 50 soon doing nothing but it and main story line , other one did quests normally, was overleveled entire time 10-50 , got VR levels a few hours at a time , basically one a night.

So in a week or two a working adult with family can cap a new character out , essentially = no grind at all.

Muizer

Dahkoht wrote: »

This horrific horrible grind in the VR levels , where is it ?

I've yet to see anything that remotely seems "slow" at all. Is it just because you don't get one an hour and max out in two days ?

I guess as someone who played and enjoyed EQ , Lineage 2 , really any mmo years ago that didn't give you levels every 30 mins , I just don't see where this slow or long grind is.

The problem people have is with the lack of redundancy in the content: if you do not like to do literally everything, you will have to make up for it with grinding. And ZoS have a policy of making sure grinding isn't greatly rewarding. People that are the worst off are those who don't like to quest, because that accounts for 3/4 of all the experience you need to get to v14.

Edit: ok, that sounds like I'm one of the disadvantaged. I personally don't mind questing, actually and I usually get up to well about V12 before I finish Cadwell's. Point about redundancy stands though. ZoS are stacking VR from completely different types of content on top of oneanother, rather than offering a choice: You have to level through questing before you get to end-game content. Then you have to group PvP to get the nice drops. Soon, with IC, you may have to PvP for the same. Not even grinding will remedy that.

Eshelmen

I don't get the point in rushing through MMOs anymore.
Good MMOs are like eating lobster(or whatever fancy dish you prefer). You don't scarf it down, you take your time and savour it.

Every MMO I've rushed to the top level with, I became disappointed in myself because the adventurous side is no more.
No more new things to see, no more endless amount of questions and overwhelming thoughts of what to do next.

Instead, you reach the top and then shortly after, you become bored of repetition and standing around waiting for groups to form, to grind out the inevitable game of chance, for that ONE item to drop.


With ESO, I'm taking my time.(And why shouldn't I? I'm not forced to pay a premium monthly fee to play ESO, so I don't need to rush anything to get my moneys worth.)

Currently at VR10 and I'm one zone away from completing Cadwells Almanac, woo hoo!
I'm glad I've spent 75% of my time in Cyrodiil, because knowing that all the zones would have been explored already if I haven't, makes me yawn at the fact that there really isn't anything new to see at this point.

Dungeons, DSA? Meh, it's all the same in MMOs. I like seeing new landscapes, treasures, discoveries, caves etc....
At least the landscapes are fresh, for now.

Who can grind to the top the fastest, has already taken it's course in this game.
PC players have had a whole year start on me, and that in itself, motivates me to NOT grind till I go into a coma.

I'm only excited about getting VR14 so that I can fully kick butt in PVP, but even PVP eventually becomes repetitive. (If I get bored of PVP, I go do some PVE, and visa versa, I love it!)

arowz

Grinding up an ALT to Vet 14 is, IMO the fastest and most efficient way to grind out champion points. You get at least 30 champion points (if not more depending on enlightenment) grinding from VR1 to VR14. You will be earning more EXP per kill on Vet 10 MOBs on your alt than you will if you grind the same Vet 10 MOBs on your VR14.... plus in the end you get another alt to play around with!

zornyan

Should be far more than 30, I'm sitting on 32 at vr5 (nearly 6)