Emperor

Molag_Crow

Hello.

I think Emperorship should go to players who have high activity and involvement within the Alliance War, rather than how much they can gank others.

Every Emperor I've came across (on PS4 keep in mind) on each faction is up there because he/she basically kills a lot of other players with their small group. Of course a healer can get up there too, but they'll barely make it to #1 and hold it, especially in the 30 day campaign.

I'm not sure how it would calculate activity other than just kills, but there must be a way. If there isn't a way, then maybe it would just be better to make it so that any player in the top 10 on the Empeorship scoreboard has a chance to become Emperor when that faction has the 6 required keeps, rather than just choosing the #1 player all the time. Why? because over here on console, we have a few PC transfers (I, myself dislike using that term...) who are wrecking machines and literally dominate the scoreboard every season, on a specific faction. I could change campaign, sure -- but why should I? we all should get the chance, and to be honest; I'm not desperate or complaining, I'm just simply suggesting that I personally believe it would be more fair if the system was altered in some way, instead of making the top killing-machines Emperor all the time.


I'm not going to mention names, but there are a few Emperors (That I respect) who don't exactly help out the team as a whole, as they'd rather just go out ganking others and *** the points until they're 1-5 million points AHEAD of the player underneath them at #2.

There must be another way...

Leandor

Go ahead and try to find a way of crowning emperors that is not possible to abuse in a 3-way warfare environment that is Cyrodiil. Believe me, you may be one of the more elaborate ones to bring this up, but it has been brought up countless times, with no real solution to the problem.

And that is precisely the problem. In order to get the Powers that Be to work on a replacement mechanism, we (them & us together) would have to develop one that is not exploitable but still easy to change over from faction to faction.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

Groups have an advantage in terms of gaining AP over solo players, which is how it should be. They get more AP the more they kill, and in my book this does count as "contribution". Not everyone want to zerg up, you know. In the end it's about having fun, and that doesn't have go d'accord with what you expect others to do.

All I see here is the usual qq about not having enough time/friends/whatever to get to rank 1 on emp leaderboards.

KiraTsukasa

I heard that for several months in a row, people that have QUIT the game have been given the title of Emperor just because they have the points. That in itself should be a dead giveaway that something is wrong with this system. From my point of view, I have no chance of getting the title, and thus completing the game, until there are 10 people left playing the game. As someone that spend hundreds of hours in Skyrim just to complete the achievements, this doesn't sit well with me.

Molag_Crow

I know what you mean @Leandor, it's complex and I'm not surprised this topic has been brought up a lot of times.

@r.jan_emailb16_ESO I play in groups, with groups and I could get Emperor if I wanted to -- why do I say this with such confidence? because when the campaign just started, instead of staying up all night, I chose to go to sleep. Those who stayed up through the night as the scoreboards juggled like crazy, were Emperors even if it was for a very short time, so it's possible, obviously.

I'm not qqing about it, I'm simply bringing up a suggestion and you'll know that if you actually read my original post.

Mighty_oakk

Its a crap system buuuuut who cares about some crap title anyways

BackFreckle

I just don't like having to depend on an entire faction to make all my work worth it, I get that it fits with the lore and the system but some factions do the smart thing and pass around emperor (being courteous enough to let the person below them actually pass them on the leaderboards allowing them to get it) but then there's some factions...AD/PS4....that rather fight all day for scrolls that we end up losing the next day. Not to mention the emperors that don't let others pass them and just repeat emperor over and over again

GeertKarel

To get emperor in this game you have to invest a lot of time in to the game, and still then there is a possibility that you won't even get the emperor. And when I check the long term leader boards I see almost the same people with 5mil + ap gained on the end of the 30 day campaign.

It would be nice if there was a system that could detect who has been emperor in the campaing and if their alliance get emperor again that he would be excluded from becoming emperor in the same campaing. but then there is the other side, the players who spent a lot of time and are efficient in pvp, some of them want to be emperor so they can feel the power of the emperor and help their team to gain more points for the leader boards.

can't make everyone happy sadly.

Leandor

I just wish that swanky red dye wouldn't be tied to it...

Molag_Crow

Yeah I know. I'm not complaining or moaning about it though, it's not worth the energy since it is just a title and temporary costume with temporary (and lingering) power, but I thought I'd just bring it up and see what people have to say about it, I guess.

I prefer having fun and a laugh over pretentious titles, but that doesn't mean I would say no to the opportunity, as I doubt nobody would!

Molag_Crow

BackFreckle wrote: »

I just don't like having to depend on an entire faction to make all my work worth it, I get that it fits with the lore and the system but some factions do the smart thing and pass around emperor (being courteous enough to let the person below them actually pass them on the leaderboards allowing them to get it) but then there's some factions...AD/PS4....that rather fight all day for scrolls that we end up losing the next day. Not to mention the emperors that don't let others pass them and just repeat emperor over and over again

This is exactly what I'm talking about! and I do respect the Emperor since they do clean out a lot of offensive forces at key keeps (when they want to,) but like you said; they don't let others pass.

My friend was stuck at #2 so he decided to change campaign since he knows there's no chance, because of that very reason.

Leandor

On the other hand, it also leaves a bad aftertaste if the current emperor just drops the campaign after having fun for a while. As to the "let others pass", as emperor your AP gain rate usually skyrockets (since it's harder to kill you and you can kill easier), thus if you fight a couple hours as an emperor, the only way to let others pass is to stop playing that char. I can see that being a serious turn down.

I mean I know your pain. Closest I have gotten to emperor title was being second on the board for a couple days. Would have loved if the leader dropped out to let me have it, but alas, it wasn't meant to be. Now I'm still stuck with Pact Blood Red. Shame, shame.

And yes, the dye is the only thing that I am interested in from Emperor. Call me strange, but don't call me Shirley.

KiraTsukasa

I just had a thought on this. What if they separated "Emperor" from the rankings? Make the title, achievement, dye, etc part of a personal point based rank system (ie 10 points for the first rank, 20 points for the next, all the way up to X points for Emperor). Then for the leaderboards, give a reward to the top, I don't know, 25 people, with higher ranks getting better rewards. This would allow people that aren't as dedicated to PvP a chance for completion, and still maintain the competitiveness that hardcore PvPers desire.

Molag_Crow

@Leandor Indeed.. but don't give up, you may get lucky when a campaign just starts and your faction gets 6 keeps while you're #1.

Leandor

CrowsDescend wrote: »

@Leandor Indeed.. but don't give up, you may get lucky when a campaign just starts and your faction gets 6 keeps while you're #1.

That in itself is exactly my problem. Upon campaign resets (it's 8am in the morning here on EU server), by the time I get to play, the fast ones are usually a couple 100k points ahead. Maybe if I would dedicate some 5 or 6 days of vacation to it around reset, I could do it, but then I wouldn't live to enjoy it - my wife would at the very least rip my head off.

But thanks for the vote of confidence

Molag_Crow

Yeah true, you'd have to be in no-life mode for guaranteed emperor just after resets, that's for sure! I saw a few guys shoot up in points just after resets from oil kills and such.

Recremen

Getting Emperor requires some combination of cleverness, battle skill, leadership, social positioning, and time investment.

If you home to a campaign just as it resets, out-fight your competitors, and get the 50k or however much is needed for emperor in the first night, then have your friends come on and help you take the keeps, your cleverness can overcome the need to invest a lot of time.

If you have a lot of battle skill and loads of free time, you can just gank for days, get millions of AP, and just wait casually for everyone else on the server to get bored and push for emp just to have something to do, then you've circumvented the need for social skills. You still need to be clever enough to do it in the right campaign at the right time, however, because your alliance might not be able to actually take emp no matter how you swing it.

In any case, I don't really see an issue with the many different methods of achieving emperor. I just hope folks have fun doing it.

Molag_Crow

@Recremen Very well said.

Asherons_Call

Doesn't make sense to me that there is a new "emperor" every hour. Not a place I'd like to live! Ha

IIIMPIII

I think that there should be different ranks for the top 3 people on each faction.

King
Prince
Knight


They have increased abilities, but are buffed more in big groups, to rally your teamates.

Whoever controls the main keeps, as it is now gets the emperorship.


This way the king, knight, prince would be able to put up a better fight against whoever is the emperor

Molag_Crow

Awesome idea!

Recremen

Asherons_Call wrote: »

Doesn't make sense to me that there is a new "emperor" every hour. Not a place I'd like to live! Ha

Welcome to the horrors of the Interregnum. :-| Not only do we have a new one every day, we have up to five at once! Even more, if the console campaigns are canon! (and why not, right?)

Molag_Crow

Lol trust me, it would suck if Emperor was easy to obtain, I'm glad it's pretty rare .. it's just that after so long, I've noticed a common theme with most Emperors being 'master gankers' most of the time, anyway... stealth and jump out on groups for hours on end

TooColdToCrack

Leandor wrote: »

Go ahead and try to find a way of crowning emperors that is not possible to abuse in a 3-way warfare environment that is Cyrodiil. Believe me, you may be one of the more elaborate ones to bring this up, but it has been brought up countless times, with no real solution to the problem.

And that is precisely the problem. In order to get the Powers that Be to work on a replacement mechanism, we (them & us together) would have to develop one that is not exploitable but still easy to change over from faction to faction.

There is a solution. Remove Emperor actively from the game and just offer a "High Council" or "Knight" skill line to top 10 or top 25 players.

If you fall out of the top, you lose the big buffs, if you get back in the tops, you get them back. You always will be "High Council" or "Knighted" allowing you to keep the costume, title, and skill line outside of Cyrodil for all
times since you will always be named, you'll just be either active or inactive (skill buffs).

The person who leads everything at the end of the standard in the winning faction (total time #1) will be crowned "Emperor" passively for the duration of the next standard with just a title and a costume to boast during that time.

It gives everyone a reason to keep battling and it gives each side a fighting chance at having a champion or multiple champions at any given time, plus becoming Emperor even if you're not #1 overall factions. this will promote individuals that are "High council" or "knighted" to lead parties to battle.

Winners are grinners.

That's my solution, and I should run for president.

If Trump can do it, so can I.

Love,

-2c2c