Healing values in 1.7 - Diminishing Returns + Sap Essence isn't working properly

aco5712

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PrCvGrP-cARyO3t6nKJJdsBdgsYapzbl3O7H8Y7BUgU/edit?usp=sharing

I have conducted my own testing inside of cyrodiil because i was noticing that i wasnt getting the correct values when i was trying to sap tank. I had done the maths before hand and when i actually began sap tanking, the values werent the same (even on live) so i decided to investigate. The link is above.

Conclusions:
- Sap right off the bat is not healing for what it should be. The supposed column represents the tooltip value. Sap essence heals for 20% less then the tooltip without doing anything (this is taking into account the cyrodiil 50% nerf).
- Now you might say that you need an enemy to make that 20% come back. Well in actual fact, you still lose 4% healing with that one person there but the skill shouldnt be lying straight from the tooltip.
- You can actually see that as you get higher and higher healing % increases, you start losing gains which leads me to believe that there is either diminishing returns or that the maths is wrong
- Tests also show that regeneration from resto line is broken and is giving 80% more healing then it should

BUT it gets worse....

- When you do hit a enemy with sap you get the bonus spell damage buff. With this on, you actually lose another 5% healing from the tooltip value so you are actually healing for 25% less with sap.
- The healing return improves with sap from losing 25% to losing ~18% when you hit a full 6 targets.
- If you have the malubeth proc active for 30% increased healing, you lose another 4% healing.

TL;DR:
You sap essence is healing for a significant amount lower (20-25% lower) and this is only getting worse the more healing increase you stack into it.

Would someone from ZOS please have a look into this. If this was fixed, sap tanking might be able to be revived.

Thank you for reading

@ZOS_GinaBruno - could you pass this onto Eric and his team?

Personofsecrets

@saturn , you may want to add to this discussion.

Wing

I was actually curious about something along these lines, is healing from secondary effects (sap, funnel health, etc.) calculated differently when taking into account +healing done / +healing received?

seemed like my funnel health was not healing for as much as it should have been.

Saturn

Personofsecrets wrote: »

@saturn , you may want to add to this discussion.

Don't have much insight since I haven't tried Sap Tanking at all, but it definitely seems odd. My only suggestion could be that Sap Essence works differently than actual straight up heals, and that therefore the healing done by it is calculated differently.

I suggest the OP try and compare it to a skill that damages and heals similarly to Sap Essence (something like Strife for example), instead of comparing it to healing spells, as there might be certain things that are being handled differently, plus certain buffs from the resto staff passives may affect the healing skills and not sap essence, making it seem weak in comparison.

@Wing also seemed to think that Funnel Health was doing less than intended, so perhaps there is something wrong with Siphoning passives and/or abilities.

aco5712

@Wing funnel is getting buffed to not be double taxed. It was hit with dmg reduction and heal reduction which is why it healed for so low.

@Saturn I didn't have any passives unless I stated them in the healing buff column. Sap heal is independent of damage. Just depends on number of players.