Molag Kena...new OP set to replace Valkyn Skoria?
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The old Molag Ken set:
- (1) added weapon damage
- (2) 3 consecutive light attacks granted 656 spell and weapon dmg for 6 sec at 50% increased skill cost
New Molag Kena
- (1) added weapon and spell damage
- (2) 2 consecutive light attacks granted 656 spell and weapon dmg for 6 sec at 33% increased skill cost
I think this was a slight overbuff and will make this set pretty much required for any dps, stamina or magicka based!
I really like to see the added spell damage to the 1 piece bonus. It was really needed to make this a balanced set for both magicka and stamina dps.
The 2-piece bonus I feel was an over buff:
- I think it should have become 2 consecutive light attacks with the original 50% increased cost
- or, the original 3 consecutive light attacks with the new 33% increased cost
I can see this set really getting abused by sorcs using overload and magicka NB's using the low cost funnel spam!
- (1) added weapon damage
- (2) 3 consecutive light attacks granted 656 spell and weapon dmg for 6 sec at 50% increased skill cost
New Molag Kena
- (1) added weapon and spell damage
- (2) 2 consecutive light attacks granted 656 spell and weapon dmg for 6 sec at 33% increased skill cost
I think this was a slight overbuff and will make this set pretty much required for any dps, stamina or magicka based!
I really like to see the added spell damage to the 1 piece bonus. It was really needed to make this a balanced set for both magicka and stamina dps.
The 2-piece bonus I feel was an over buff:
- I think it should have become 2 consecutive light attacks with the original 50% increased cost
- or, the original 3 consecutive light attacks with the new 33% increased cost
I can see this set really getting abused by sorcs using overload and magicka NB's using the low cost funnel spam!
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Light attacks =/= Funnel spam.I can see this set really getting abused by sorcs using overload and magicka NB's using the low cost funnel spam!
Easy solution: exclude overload light attacks. Game handles them differently anyway - no matter which weapon you use, death recap always shows "light attack" but overload gets a distinction with "overload light attack".0 -
Kerioko✭✭✭✭
Light attacks =/= Funnel spam.I can see this set really getting abused by sorcs using overload and magicka NB's using the low cost funnel spam!
Easy solution: exclude overload light attacks. Game handles them differently anyway - no matter which weapon you use, death recap always shows "light attack" but overload gets a distinction with "overload light attack".
2 light attacks then 6x funnel spam, repeat == funnel spam and permanent upkeep of buff. Tried this on PTS and had a 12K sustain with just this rotation and no other skills or buffs. Funnel was critting above 16K with a base attack over 9K at a cost of just 1K magicka (with 1 spell cost reduction enchant and 2 spell damage)!
As far as sorc, I think it should include overload light attacks, but the cost for overload should be 33% higher when you have the buff!Edited by Kerioko on August 19, 2015 9:41AMDinosaur Chicken Nuggets - Argonian mNB Tank/Heals (PVP)
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✭In pve, sorc need some love, and this set give that love (even if sorc are still stuck in only one build). In pvp, that might be a problem, and it's why we can test it o the pts.
I think reflect capacities will have a new boost in this maj, with the even more powerful overload.1 -
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Light attacks =/= Funnel spam.I can see this set really getting abused by sorcs using overload and magicka NB's using the low cost funnel spam!
Easy solution: exclude overload light attacks. Game handles them differently anyway - no matter which weapon you use, death recap always shows "light attack" but overload gets a distinction with "overload light attack".
2 light attacks then 6x funnel spam, repeat == funnel spam and permanent upkeep of buff. Tried this on PTS and had a 12K sustain with just this rotation and no other skills or buffs. Funnel was critting above 16K with a base attack over 9K at a cost of just 1K magicka (with 1 spell cost reduction enchant and 2 spell damage)!
As far as sorc, I think it should include overload light attacks, but the cost for overload should be 33% higher when you have the buff!
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✭The 2-piece bonus I feel was an over buff:
- I think it should have become 2 consecutive light attacks with the original 50% increased cost
- or, the original 3 consecutive light attacks with the new 33% increased cost
Agree, one of this should be the 2 Set Bonus.
Personally i would prefer
2 consecutive light attacks with the original 50% increased cost
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Kerioko✭✭✭✭trimsic_ESO wrote: »I don't know if this set works while being in WW form, but if it does....
If it does, WW will become the new sorc overload for all classes, especially with the added 10K resistance you will get while being WW!
I want to see shield stacking magicka overload sorc vs WW shield breaking stamina DK!
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✭✭✭✭✭trimsic_ESO wrote: »I don't know if this set works while being in WW form, but if it does....
If it does, WW will become the new sorc overload for all classes, especially with the added 10K resistance you will get while being WW!
I want to see shield stacking magicka overload sorc vs WW shield breaking stamina DK!
It´s not even a question. Shieldbreaker pushes anyone using shields to play 100% defensive currently as it provides ~1400 unmitigated dps on top of normal dmg...<Noricum>
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Skiserony✭✭✭trimsic_ESO wrote: »I don't know if this set works while being in WW form, but if it does....
If it does, WW will become the new sorc overload for all classes, especially with the added 10K resistance you will get while being WW!
I want to see shield stacking magicka overload sorc vs WW shield breaking stamina DK!
It´s not even a question. Shieldbreaker pushes anyone using shields to play 100% defensive currently as it provides ~1400 unmitigated dps on top of normal dmg...
They buffed the damage with 90% and does about 2100 irresistable damage. So yeah.0 -
Skiserony✭✭✭I feel like they're trying to measure the limits with this set, to find a good balance between somewhere there. I'm not sure if they'll release it like this.
But I'm glad they changed some things about it though.0 -
Sharmony✭✭✭I feel like they have pushed the set a little too far as it was already competitive, it is probably now going to be better than both Nereneith and Skoria in PvE in single target but most likely not in AoE scenario's. Opposingly in PvP this set has just received a flat out insane buff provided it can be practically applied.@Wjleppard - EU - Sharmony YoutubeHolyfire - V16 Stamina Templar | Auriels Bow - V16 Stamina Nightblade | Sharmony - V16 Magicka Templar | Flaming Rose - V16 Magicka Dragonknight | Rejuvenation - V16 Magicka Nightblade | Dora The (Explorer Title) - V16 Magicka Sorcerer | Critjiit - V16 Stamina Dragonknight | Just Hold Block - V16 Stamina Dragonknight | Stormburst - V16 Stamina Sorcerer | Ashenbourne - V16 Magicka Templar | Swims-At-Speed - V16 Magicka Templar | Sharmonknee - V16 Stamina Nightblade | Sharmoney - V16 Magicka WardenGuild Affiliations: Hodor, Travelling Merchant, Aetherius Trade, Golden Goose.
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Fecius✭✭✭You should understand that there will be always an OP set for use. If they wouldn't buff Molag Kena set, most casters would use Nerieneth. Every time there would be a min-max best set for surtain class and spec. And all those repeating topics sense almost nothing.- Looking for Progress PvE Guild!
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✭✭trimsic_ESO wrote: »I don't know if this set works while being in WW form, but if it does....
If it does, WW will become the new sorc overload for all classes, especially with the added 10K resistance you will get while being WW!
I want to see shield stacking magicka overload sorc vs WW shield breaking stamina DK!
It´s not even a question. Shieldbreaker pushes anyone using shields to play 100% defensive currently as it provides ~1400 unmitigated dps on top of normal dmg...
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I feel like they have pushed the set a little too far as it was already competitive, it is probably now going to be better than both Nereneith and Skoria in PvE in single target but most likely not in AoE scenario's. Opposingly in PvP this set has just received a flat out insane buff provided it can be practically applied.
Possibly, but not necessarily.
Let me quote myself from another thread:It's not as powerful as you think it is.
Sitting at approximately 4k weapon damage & 38-40k stamina when I have my gear optimized, this set will result "only" in a 8.94% increase in Surprise Attack damage for 6 seconds at the cost of +33% skill costs.
When fully buffed around 5.5k weapon damage (rough estimates), the benefit from this set will be "only" equal to around +7.5% damage.
Granted, it'll be a bigger boost for builds with lower weapon/spell damage but still...
The sky is not falling.
Quite the opposite, this is a solid, good set now and atleast worth using.
And upon further examination of the set, you can conclude that using two consecutive light attacks will significantly decrease your DPS for one second, to apply a buff of 7.5-10%~ dmg for 6 seconds.
Now, how much DPS you will lose by only doing an auto attack for one second is a matter of class/build.
E.g. a magicka DK will arguably benefit more from this set than a stamina NB, since they're dealing more damage via DoTs & a stam NB is more reliant on spamming Surprise Attack.
Now, of course there is the matter of different skillcoefs, meaning that the weapon damage from is going affect the dmg of skills differently and this all needs to be calculated before reaching any conclusion about the set, but for stam NBs atleast the dmg boost is only around 7.5-10% for your main DPS ability (Surprise Attack).
Then there is the matter of whether you can sustain in longer fights, after costs are increased by 33%...Edited by DDuke on August 19, 2015 11:21AM0 -
Sharmony✭✭✭I feel like they have pushed the set a little too far as it was already competitive, it is probably now going to be better than both Nereneith and Skoria in PvE in single target but most likely not in AoE scenario's. Opposingly in PvP this set has just received a flat out insane buff provided it can be practically applied.
Possibly, but not necessarily.
Let me quote myself from another thread:
And upon further examinatino of the set, you can conclude that using two consecutive light attacks will significantly decrease your DPS for one second, to apply a buff of 7.5-10%~ dmg for 6 seconds.
Now, how much DPS you will lose by only doing an auto attack for one second is a matter of class/build.
E.g. a magicka DK will arguably benefit more from this set than a stamina NB, since they're dealing more damage via DoTs & a stam NB is more reliant on spamming Surprise Attack.
Now, of course there is the matter of different skillcoefs, meaning that the weapon damage from is going affect the dmg of skills differently and this all needs to be calculated before reaching any conclusion about the set, but for stam NBs atleast the dmg boost is only around 7.5-10% for your main DPS ability (Surprise Attack).
Sorry I personally despite all my theorycrafting have not tested this set out completely, including the new updated changes, all I know is how powerful this will be in combination from constant Scathing Mage procs which is already possible on something like a Dragonknight. From my research I also entirely agree with your point on stamina Nightblades, the weapon damage is the thing to focus on for them 100% as they do not have many DoTs active at a given moment in PvE.@Wjleppard - EU - Sharmony YoutubeHolyfire - V16 Stamina Templar | Auriels Bow - V16 Stamina Nightblade | Sharmony - V16 Magicka Templar | Flaming Rose - V16 Magicka Dragonknight | Rejuvenation - V16 Magicka Nightblade | Dora The (Explorer Title) - V16 Magicka Sorcerer | Critjiit - V16 Stamina Dragonknight | Just Hold Block - V16 Stamina Dragonknight | Stormburst - V16 Stamina Sorcerer | Ashenbourne - V16 Magicka Templar | Swims-At-Speed - V16 Magicka Templar | Sharmonknee - V16 Stamina Nightblade | Sharmoney - V16 Magicka WardenGuild Affiliations: Hodor, Travelling Merchant, Aetherius Trade, Golden Goose.
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Theres always going to be an optimal set, but... not such an obvious one, at least before this last patch, ppl was still debating of using skoria, nere or molag kena, depended on use and build. Right now, in pvp, theres no reason to not use this set over the rest. When a set is just the best for almost any kind of build, then thats OP for sure.You should understand that there will be always an OP set for use. If they wouldn't buff Molag Kena set, most casters would use Nerieneth. Every time there would be a min-max best set for surtain class and spec. And all those repeating topics sense almost nothing.Aldmeri Dominion Characters: Hellkrasher, Hellcrasher, Hell Krasher, Hell Crasher, Hellcrash.
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I feel like they have pushed the set a little too far as it was already competitive, it is probably now going to be better than both Nereneith and Skoria in PvE in single target but most likely not in AoE scenario's. Opposingly in PvP this set has just received a flat out insane buff provided it can be practically applied.
Possibly, but not necessarily.
Let me quote myself from another thread:
And upon further examinatino of the set, you can conclude that using two consecutive light attacks will significantly decrease your DPS for one second, to apply a buff of 7.5-10%~ dmg for 6 seconds.
Now, how much DPS you will lose by only doing an auto attack for one second is a matter of class/build.
E.g. a magicka DK will arguably benefit more from this set than a stamina NB, since they're dealing more damage via DoTs & a stam NB is more reliant on spamming Surprise Attack.
Now, of course there is the matter of different skillcoefs, meaning that the weapon damage from is going affect the dmg of skills differently and this all needs to be calculated before reaching any conclusion about the set, but for stam NBs atleast the dmg boost is only around 7.5-10% for your main DPS ability (Surprise Attack).
Sorry I personally despite all my theorycrafting have not tested this set out completely, including the new updated changes, all I know is how powerful this will be in combination from constant Scathing Mage procs which is already possible on something like a Dragonknight. From my research I also entirely agree with your point on stamina Nightblades, the weapon damage is the thing to focus on for them 100% as they do not have many DoTs active at a given moment in PvE.
Well, I'm sure we'll crunch the numbers in Almost telegram and find out how good it is ;P
I'm just a little sceptical myself on this set, mainly due to the 2 consecutive light attacks requirement for such a short duration buff.1 -
Fecius✭✭✭hellkrasher wrote: »
Theres always going to be an optimal set, but... not such an obvious one, at least before this last patch, ppl was still debating of using skoria, nere or molag kena, depended on use and build. Right now, in pvp, theres no reason to not use this set over the rest. When a set is just the best for almost any kind of build, then thats OP for sure.You should understand that there will be always an OP set for use. If they wouldn't buff Molag Kena set, most casters would use Nerieneth. Every time there would be a min-max best set for surtain class and spec. And all those repeating topics sense almost nothing.
OK, now I will give you another reason for this action from devs. This is a set from new content. It must be better than most older sets. It must be at least worth getting. In other way no-one will go this new dungeon more than one time. Now we will be really motivated to pass at least WGT and daily pleges for shoulder part. It is a big step forward for devs in my opinion. Especially after useless SO HM loot table comparing not only with SO normal loot table (+10 main stat for 40k is a joke) but with most other sets.Edited by Fecius on August 19, 2015 11:45AM- Looking for Progress PvE Guild!
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✭✭They said that they would implement season gear as alternative horizontal progrssion. Well, here it is.Edited by Leandor on August 19, 2015 11:44AM0 -
Sharmony✭✭✭I feel like they have pushed the set a little too far as it was already competitive, it is probably now going to be better than both Nereneith and Skoria in PvE in single target but most likely not in AoE scenario's. Opposingly in PvP this set has just received a flat out insane buff provided it can be practically applied.
Possibly, but not necessarily.
Let me quote myself from another thread:
And upon further examinatino of the set, you can conclude that using two consecutive light attacks will significantly decrease your DPS for one second, to apply a buff of 7.5-10%~ dmg for 6 seconds.
Now, how much DPS you will lose by only doing an auto attack for one second is a matter of class/build.
E.g. a magicka DK will arguably benefit more from this set than a stamina NB, since they're dealing more damage via DoTs & a stam NB is more reliant on spamming Surprise Attack.
Now, of course there is the matter of different skillcoefs, meaning that the weapon damage from is going affect the dmg of skills differently and this all needs to be calculated before reaching any conclusion about the set, but for stam NBs atleast the dmg boost is only around 7.5-10% for your main DPS ability (Surprise Attack).
Sorry I personally despite all my theorycrafting have not tested this set out completely, including the new updated changes, all I know is how powerful this will be in combination from constant Scathing Mage procs which is already possible on something like a Dragonknight. From my research I also entirely agree with your point on stamina Nightblades, the weapon damage is the thing to focus on for them 100% as they do not have many DoTs active at a given moment in PvE.
Well, I'm sure we'll crunch the numbers in Almost telegram and find out how good it is ;P
I'm just a little sceptical myself on this set, mainly due to the 2 consecutive light attacks requirement for such a short duration buff.
I'm currently compiling a list of WD vs Stamina and SD vs Magicka volumes for each useful ability in the game atm as it's not one set value as some believe
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✭trimsic_ESO wrote: »I don't know if this set works while being in WW form, but if it does....
If it does, WW will become the new sorc overload for all classes, especially with the added 10K resistance you will get while being WW!
I want to see shield stacking magicka overload sorc vs WW shield breaking stamina DK!
It´s not even a question. Shieldbreaker pushes anyone using shields to play 100% defensive currently as it provides ~1400 unmitigated dps on top of normal dmg...
Use rapid Reg and everything is fine :P
well you are running out of QB slots rather quick as a sorc, especially with the changes done to WW/vamp regenrates.
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Ryuho✭✭✭✭GG @ZOS_GinaBruno evry1 is running this set, and its so esy to get that buff which increase ur *** stats by insane amount.. I dont get it totally, u claimed ZOS that dmg are to high in 1.6, but u added such set which allows u to get even more dmg than in 1.6, so why u nerfed dmg at all, u should keep it like it was??? or no?? Seriously i dont get it, sometimes i feel that monkeys work at ur company, i havent seen in my 12 years mmorpg history worst developers ever !!
U make good fixes, and at the same time u completly mess with something, how is that possible? i know #ZOSlogic.. And shieldbreaker set, natuarally is also broken as ***, with that animation speed from bow, som1 can esly rolldodoge and ani cancel light bow attacks or cloak light att, and u will keep loosing hp, because that set dont reduce shield amount but ur hp pool, *** nice.. and naturally isnt affected by battlespirit nerf GG
I dont know, do u want us to be only nbs, cause i am starting to think that only class available to play this patch will be nb, from pvp perspective, my templar comparing to nb sucks as ***.. well sorc with overload spam might be good, but seriously lamest tactic eva..
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✭✭While you're weaving you're already using light attacks + skill so to proc this set you only need to add a single light attack to your damage rotation. I havent been able to test this myself but an extra light attack every 6 seconds shouldnt drop dps by too much.
Has anyone tested the synnergy of the new Molag Kena set with spectral bow on a magicka NB spell damage build? That ability will probably hit incredibly hard and every light attack would be used to proc the set and spectral bow.PC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
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olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Im jumping in on every molag kena set thread here, and ill just leave a short note in this one.
This set was strong last patch, and they just buffed it yesterday and made it stupidly OP. That said, the shieldbreaker set is also somewhat over the top.
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glavius✭✭✭✭✭What bothers me most about a new possibly very good undaunted set. If youre the guy whos unlucky with rog, might as well quit the game1
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AlcastClass RepresentativeThey buff battle spirit to mitigate more dmg, but at the same time they are introducing a set that boosts dmg insanely xDEdited by Alcast on August 19, 2015 4:36PMhttps://alcasthq.com - Alcasthq.com Builds & Guides
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭They buff battle spirit to mitigate more dmg, but at the same time they are introducing a set that boosts dmg insanely xD
They make Battle Spirit to mitigate more dmg and give Prismatic Enchantments so people will have more health, fix amour/spell penetration and introduce a set that then increases the already reduced (by 37.5%) damage by 7.5-10% for 6 seconds after two consecutive light attacks (while also increasing your skill costs by 33%)
I doubt that 7.5-10% is going to be the end of the world...0 -
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✭✭This set in it's current form seems like something you can think about for PvP.
Many people will use the 1 item set bonus I guess, just not going for a complete monster set, as well.
And the way it works with Overload is perfectly fine, it adds the cost and damage just like for any other normal attack and spell. Because that's what Overload always worked as, a light/heavy attack but also a spell. Consuming both GCDs, procing Degeneration etc.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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