Are rewards for the worthy supposed to give bop?

silky_soft

Since we are getting 5x the money (200g hah not even enough to make 1 craft of speed pots) in them at less frequency (1 per hour, yeop it's true 1 per hour) why aren't we getting 5x the loot? All you give us is 1 item in the mail. I got 1 green set piece and 1 trash blue out of 13 mails since 2.1.1 update. Not only was this so exciting, I got a light set piece when I don't use light. But wait there's more, they are BOP. Are you *** high? Bind on waste of my time more like it.

Is this a bug like your 100% set drop chance reward vaults? Because that was one of the funniest thing I have read so far.

Iyas

bump

ScruffyWhiskers

Anybody know which sets are eligible to drop through the Rewards For The Worthy program? I take it that new sets like scathing mage and overwhelming surge are not on the drop list.

Xael

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

Anybody know which sets are eligible to drop through the Rewards For The Worthy program? I take it that new sets like scathing mage and overwhelming surge are not on the drop list.

I was told at one point it would be the older sets like Ravager, Morag Tong, Shadow Walker, Archmage, Cyrodiil's Light, Sergeants Mail, etc. Though they have told me many things that were either not true or they did not deliver on...





also bump

silky_soft

I got Desert Rose shoulders with Divines and last night I got Affliction chest with Impenetrable. Also if this mean I will be getting green VR16 Ravager accessories I'll be crowd funding a delivery of peanuts.

Delivering once per hour is fine, but give us something decent. Have a standard 10 soul gems and piece of siege or 10 repairs. Give us money depending on how much we contributed with healing, siege, dps to defence, assault and open field combat. 1 set item that's not BOP and if you're going to BOP make it a small chance proc that's yellow and not a piece of trash or give us a shard/key to collect in order to open a chest somewhere for something decent.

Xael

silky_soft wrote: »

I got Desert Rose shoulders with Divines and last night I got Affliction chest with Impenetrable. Also if this mean I will be getting green VR16 Ravager accessories I'll be crowd funding a delivery of peanuts.

Delivering once per hour is fine, but give us something decent. Have a standard 10 soul gems and piece of siege or 10 repairs. Give us money depending on how much we contributed with healing, siege, dps to defence, assault and open field combat. 1 set item that's not BOP and if you're going to BOP make it a small chance proc that's yellow and not a piece of trash or give us a shard/key to collect in order to open a chest somewhere for something decent.

So you are saying we can't get more than 1 reward per hour?

All I have got is junk and I didn't really pay attention to whether it was BOP or how often I received them
This is really crappy as a lot of people were expecting to spend gold or make gold from the RotW. 1 chance per hour for a random item that is likely *** is a terrible system, wtf zos?

@ZOS_BrianWheeler if I am incorrect on my assumption and it's not working as intended, do say so. The time for transparency is now. It's been a year of hide and seek, no more please.

Domander

More incentive to pvp, awesome.

TBois

I thought the frequency of rewards was based on AP gain. Did they change this to time now?

silky_soft

Trash is not BOP but set pieces are.

23 hours
206k AP
28695 TVS
21 Mails:
Purple x2: Robe of Archmage/Well fitted (BOP), Lightning staff/Charged
Blue x1: 2H Axe/Weighted
Green: Epaulets of Desert Rose/Divines (BOP), Cuirass of Affliction/Impenetrable (BOP)
4410g

TheBull

Please don't make the BoP... That would screw all players.

silky_soft

Soooo... who else has got trash from RoW

Arkadius

silky_soft wrote: »

Trash is not BOP but set pieces are.

23 hours
206k AP
28695 TVS
21 Mails:
Purple x2: Robe of Archmage/Well fitted (BOP), Lightning staff/Charged
Blue x1: 2H Axe/Weighted
Green: Epaulets of Desert Rose/Divines (BOP), Cuirass of Affliction/Impenetrable (BOP)
4410g

Do those sets scale to vr16 if they come as a reward for the worthy? Or are they capped at vr14?

eNumbra

Why not just make everything BoP and removed the Guild Stores altogether then Zenimax.

silky_soft

They are all vr16 @Xiana

Thalmor-Nordmaster

wow just wow and i dont mean the game wow you know the one with rabid pandas. I mean the exclamation bop is a dead end isnt it? Really hard to see the healthy part of 2.1

Arkadius

silky_soft wrote: »

They are all vr16 @Xiana

Thanks very much, @silky_soft . Too bad they're bop. Archmage is one of my favourite sets. Given one gets one reward per hour and bad luck (and maybe random traits?), it will probably take forever to get a complete set.

Saint_JiubB14_ESO

Xiana wrote: »

silky_soft wrote: »

They are all vr16 @Xiana

Thanks very much, @silky_soft . Too bad they're bop. Archmage is one of my favourite sets. Given one gets one reward per hour and bad luck (and maybe random traits?), it will probably take forever to get a complete set.

Archmage 5 piece bonus was replaced with magicka restore on a completed heavy attack.

Soulac

They don't want us to make money with PvP.

silky_soft

@Xiana at least when you get stuck in combat now sprinting is going to cost less.

ZOS waves around banner saying "it's a PvP DLC suck it and die PvE noobs lel".

- Makes pvp currency, AP, worthless and PvP gear limited to VR14 from vendor.
- Introduces PvE currency, TVS, to get gear.
- Makes Rewards for the Worthy (RW) once per hour. Disguising it as a filter to junk mail and consolidation. But actually doing it to stop us getting VR16 crafted gear too fast.
- Then tells us we can get VR16 pvp gear from RW only to troll everyone again and make them BoP.

With the 100% drop chance debacle from chest for a set piece, (which btw got a quick reply from you guys), I am guessing you made the drop table for RW have 16 different sets in it ranging from green to purple. So what including trash it's 1/4800** chance every hour to get the exact piece I want?

@ZOS_BrianWheeler unlike PvE centered players we don't need much content, just some respect and change of flow every little while. We'll continue to bash each other up and make our own content. IC dlc is nice but eh... Every little bit you give you just chip away more. Just hope this CP fix comes sooner than later. I'll continue to spam you with bug reports even if you don't reply.




**Hyperbole math, it's probably worse odds: 16 sets * 5 items avg * 5 traits * 3 colours + (21 armors * 5 traits * 3 glyphs + 12 weapons * 5 traits * 13 glyphs + 2 accessories * 3 traits * 18 glyphs) * 3 colours

Leandor

@ZOS_BrianWheeler Please for the love of this game, stop making this game a grindfest. If you change the mechanics of rewards for the worthy to be solely time based (which honestly speaking messes over all those decent players that have other obligations and manage 3 hrs a day max), at least have the decency to:

• Apply the treasure vault change to possible traits to the rewards as well.
• Give the chests a 100% chance for one set item.
• Make these tradeable.
• Have RNG apply only to quality (green/blue/purple).
• Have a 50% chance for a soul gem and a 50% chance of a rep kit (either or).
• Add some deconstruct loot to allow us to get the materials at a decent rate.

Comparing to the old system, while the chance to get a set item was also low, at least the rate of AP income was something that a player could work upon by himself, thus giving a decent chance to acquire the stuff you wanted within a reasonable time if you walked the walk. The boxes bought were also separated, so you could aim for a certain piece and spin the chances at least a bit.

Now, we have a chance to get a set piece out of all sets you want to put in there, with hundreds of pieces contending for those slots and now additionally with 8 different possible traits (3 for jewellery). Come on. A "one in thousands" chance to get the right set piece with a, what, maximum 20% chance to even get a set piece? Once per hour?

Just to make sure this is not forgotten, a year has 8760 hours. Out of those, an average person sleeps 2500 hours, works for 2500 hours, eats and visits the toilet for 1000 hours and another 1000 hours go for all that organizational stuff, like shopping, dealing with insurances, medical attention, etc. We only have about 1800 hours a year left to play this game, provided you ignore family and friends completely.

I should not even have to list these numbers at all. "Rewards" don't work like that. And on top of it, you actually try to sell this as an improvement. I know that playing the game should be our reward, but we should be realistic: That's not how it works. In reality, we enjoy gameplay most when we have the equipment we want to have - because then we can perform at our peak rate.

Think about it.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO

Sorry for not staying on topic, but you only get the "rewards" once an hour now? It's no longer how much AP you earn, but how much time you spend in pvp?

Derra

BOP is the worst designchoice you can make. With the frequency of row reduced and setitems bop you might aswell remove them completely from the game bc you can pretty much pvp for half a year and given you´re just a tad unlucky NEVER complete any of the sets.

RNG is bad/lazy design to cover lack of content. BOP on top of that is just saying f*ck you, rude letter to follow (bop on this one) dear customer. Please give us moar money.

Arkadius

Saint_JiubB14_ESO wrote: »

Archmage 5 piece bonus was replaced with magicka restore on a completed heavy attack.

Hmm. That's bad news for me.

Derra wrote: »

BOP is the worst designchoice you can make. With the frequency of row reduced and setitems bop you might aswell remove them completely from the game bc you can pretty much pvp for half a year and given you´re just a tad unlucky NEVER complete any of the sets.

RNG is bad/lazy design to cover lack of content. BOP on top of that is just saying f*ck you, rude letter to follow (bop on this one) dear customer. Please give us moar money.

True. Aiming for a full vr16 set is pointless this way. So, you either stick to the vr14 version (which I assume to be still available through AP vendor bags, but probably BOP too), or you completely forget about them.

Xael

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert

Can we get a response to OP's thread/questions? Or mine even? Transparency would be welcome here...
Is this intended or an oversight?
Rewards from the Worthy only once per hour and making the v16 rewards BoP?
Is this intended or not?

DDuke

Wait, rewards give bop now?

PvP just got interesting...

ZOS_MSchroeder

Hey everybody! We’ve taken this feedback, and made a few changes to the Rewards for the Worthy. We also wanted to take a moment to explain a few things.

First, the changes:

• The set items you’ll get from Rewards for the Worthy will now be either Blue or Purple quality; we have now excluded Green. The total chance of getting a set item has not changed.
• The set items you’ll get from Rewards for the Worthy are now Bind on Pickup Equip. This means you can trade them or sell them to other players.

These changes likely won't be in time for PTS, but they should make it for the final version that goes to the Live server.

And now, some additional information:

The set items you’ll get from Rewards for the Worthy were already in a limited suite of Traits. Namely, they will only drop in Sturdy, Impenetrable, Reinforced, Well-Fitted, Infused, and Divines. We didn’t mention this in the previous patch notes because it wasn’t actually a change – they’ve been like this since the Imperial City first hit PTS.

Rewards for the Worthy are gated solely on Alliance Point gain. While we have increased the amount of Alliance Points you need to accrue to receive a Rewards for the Worthy mail, it’s solely an increase in the number of Alliance Points you need; no additional time-based mechanics have been implemented. So, it doesn’t matter whether you gain those Alliance Points in an hour, a day, or a minute (though we’d be very impressed by the latter).

We’ll keep listening for additional feedback on this, as well as the rest of the Imperial City update. Thank you!

Edit: I meant to say "Bind on Equip". This has now been changed.

Takllin

MSchroeder wrote: »

Hey everybody! We’ve taken this feedback, and made a few changes to the Rewards for the Worthy. We also wanted to take a moment to explain a few things.

First, the changes:

• The set items you’ll get from Rewards for the Worthy will now be either Blue or Purple quality; we have now excluded Green. The total chance of getting a set item has not changed.
• The set items you’ll get from Rewards for the Worthy are now Bind on Pickup. This means you can trade them or sell them to other players.

These changes likely won't be in time for PTS, but they should make it for the final version that goes to the Live server.

And now, some additional information:

The set items you’ll get from Rewards for the Worthy were already in a limited suite of Traits. Namely, they will only drop in Sturdy, Impenetrable, Reinforced, Well-Fitted, Infused, and Divines. We didn’t mention this in the previous patch notes because it wasn’t actually a change – they’ve been like this since the Imperial City first hit PTS.

Rewards for the Worthy are gated solely on Alliance Point gain. While we have increased the amount of Alliance Points you need to accrue to receive a Rewards for the Worthy mail, it’s solely an increase in the number of Alliance Points you need; no additional time-based mechanics have been implemented. So, it doesn’t matter whether you gain those Alliance Points in an hour, a day, or a minute (though we’d be very impressed by the latter).

We’ll keep listening for additional feedback on this, as well as the rest of the Imperial City update. Thank you!

Soooooo where is the list of sets that are available with Rewards for the Worthy?

kojou

MSchroeder wrote: »

Hey everybody! We’ve taken this feedback, and made a few changes to the Rewards for the Worthy. We also wanted to take a moment to explain a few things.

First, the changes:

• The set items you’ll get from Rewards for the Worthy will now be either Blue or Purple quality; we have now excluded Green. The total chance of getting a set item has not changed.
• The set items you’ll get from Rewards for the Worthy are now Bind on Pickup. This means you can trade them or sell them to other players.

These changes likely won't be in time for PTS, but they should make it for the final version that goes to the Live server.

And now, some additional information:

The set items you’ll get from Rewards for the Worthy were already in a limited suite of Traits. Namely, they will only drop in Sturdy, Impenetrable, Reinforced, Well-Fitted, Infused, and Divines. We didn’t mention this in the previous patch notes because it wasn’t actually a change – they’ve been like this since the Imperial City first hit PTS.

Rewards for the Worthy are gated solely on Alliance Point gain. While we have increased the amount of Alliance Points you need to accrue to receive a Rewards for the Worthy mail, it’s solely an increase in the number of Alliance Points you need; no additional time-based mechanics have been implemented. So, it doesn’t matter whether you gain those Alliance Points in an hour, a day, or a minute (though we’d be very impressed by the latter).

We’ll keep listening for additional feedback on this, as well as the rest of the Imperial City update. Thank you!

Can we get a complete list of the sets that will drop? Also did you mean they are now "Bind on Equip" so we can trade with players?

agabahmeatshieldb14_ESO

MSchroeder wrote: »

The set items you’ll get from Rewards for the Worthy were already in a limited suite of Traits. Namely, they will only drop in Sturdy, Impenetrable, Reinforced, Well-Fitted, Infused, and Divines. We didn’t mention this in the previous patch notes because it wasn’t actually a change – they’ve been like this since the Imperial City first hit PTS.

This is a great change, but why is Sturdy staying? Sturdy was (theoretically) removed from the mix of possible Undaunted Shoulder traits because it is useless, ESPECIALLY in PvP where deaths to player don't damage armor at all.

Again, a very nice and positive change, but it would be nice to see Sturdy removed from the list as well.

Xael

MSchroeder wrote: »

Hey everybody! We’ve taken this feedback, and made a few changes to the Rewards for the Worthy. We also wanted to take a moment to explain a few things.

First, the changes:

• The set items you’ll get from Rewards for the Worthy will now be either Blue or Purple quality; we have now excluded Green. The total chance of getting a set item has not changed.
• The set items you’ll get from Rewards for the Worthy are now Bind on Pickup. This means you can trade them or sell them to other players.

These changes likely won't be in time for PTS, but they should make it for the final version that goes to the Live server.

And now, some additional information:

The set items you’ll get from Rewards for the Worthy were already in a limited suite of Traits. Namely, they will only drop in Sturdy, Impenetrable, Reinforced, Well-Fitted, Infused, and Divines. We didn’t mention this in the previous patch notes because it wasn’t actually a change – they’ve been like this since the Imperial City first hit PTS.

Rewards for the Worthy are gated solely on Alliance Point gain. While we have increased the amount of Alliance Points you need to accrue to receive a Rewards for the Worthy mail, it’s solely an increase in the number of Alliance Points you need; no additional time-based mechanics have been implemented. So, it doesn’t matter whether you gain those Alliance Points in an hour, a day, or a minute (though we’d be very impressed by the latter).

We’ll keep listening for additional feedback on this, as well as the rest of the Imperial City update. Thank you!

@MSchroeder
Thank you for your response. You said "The set items you’ll get from Rewards for the Worthy are now Bind on Pickup. This means you can trade them or sell them to other players." Is this a typo? If they are BoP, this means I cannot trade them with anyone at all. That means bound. Which is it?


Also will Morag Tong, Shadow Walker, Sergeant's and Ravager be upgraded to v16 and sent by RotW? These were never confirmed. I asked before and included other sets in my question alongside these and you confirmed vaguely that some of the sets would indeed be upgraded. This was true for Archmage, but you guys gutted that and nobody cares about that now. The sets I listed above, are they going to be included or are they staying at 14?

Mr_Koh

Yeah a list of the sets that are dropped from it would be appreciated.