And the Winnerclass of the least QQ is....

Alcast

Nightblades!

One might ask why? I guess bc they are freaking OP in the next patch(and already are)

Instant high dmg skills.
sneaky like a thief
animation canceling like a god

No problemo tho bc 99% of Tamriels population rerolled already Nbs, so no problemo there i guess

Dracane

They are all hiding in the shadows of the forums, giggling and hireing people to open up some nerf sorc threads to remove their last "threat" from the surface of Cyrodiil

ItsRejectz

What you betting this still turns into a nerf shields topic

Alcast

ItsRejectz wrote: »

What you betting this still turns into a nerf shields topic

lol xD

Xael

Alcast wrote: »

Nightblades!

One might ask why? I guess bc they are freaking OP in the next patch(and already are)

Instant high dmg skills.
sneaky like a thief
animation canceling like a god

No problemo tho bc 99% of Tamriels population rerolled already Nbs, so no problemo there i guess

Nice thread bro

Dracane

It will for sure. I feel like the majority of conversations right now are about shields

Draehl

I'm a NB main and would like to see Shadow Cloak take a Bolt-Escape-like spam nerf in exchange for seeing a handful of our weaker skills buffed. Cloak is holding us back just like no DR Fear was holding back Affliction Warlocks in WoW at one point. We're a one trick pony in PvP and it's keeping the devs from buffing our other mechanics like DoTs, heals, lifesteal, etc. Don't get me wrong, I love cloak and will continue to use it but seeing this somewhat limited in order to shore up several of our weaker skill would make the class much more well rounded...

Xael

Draehl wrote: »

I'm a NB main and would like to see Shadow Cloak take a Bolt-Escape-like spam nerf in exchange for seeing a handful of our weaker skills buffed. Cloak is holding us back just like no DR Fear was holding back Affliction Warlocks in WoW at one point. We're a one trick pony in PvP and it's keeping the devs from buffing our other mechanics like DoTs, heals, lifesteal, etc. Don't get me wrong, I love cloak and will continue to use it but seeing this somewhat limited in order to shore up several of our weaker skill would make the class much more well rounded...

This isn't WoW or anything like WoW. Comparing the 2 is like comparing a bicycle to a submarine. It's neither here nor there.

We are not a one trick pony and saying such is not only false but misleading. Our cloak as it is can be countered tons of different ways, 2 of which completely shut it down, RML and Detect Pots. Not only this, but single target attacks, particularly a charge of any kind, cause it to fail. More importantly there are several ways (SEVERAL) to play a Nightblade and Cloak is not the pillar.

You have no idea what you are talking about and I question your PvP experience. You sound like a PvE guy who sometimes hops in Cyrodiil and does the "Hey guys what's goin' on?"

Glantir

Dracane wrote: »

They are all hiding in the shadows of the forums, giggling and hireing people to open up some nerf sorc threads to remove their last "threat" from the surface of Cyrodiil

@Dracane made my day xD

I should shake off the dust of my V6 Nightblade and bring it to v14

xMovingTarget

Nerf shields plz. Too stronk!

PBpsy

Ok. So should I make a large QQ thread about why they have continuously tried to nerf the crap out of caster NBs for the last 3 major updates and they made them even crappier in the next patch due to double nerfs.?

Oh. wait this thread was made by a redguard templar.. /Slowly backs away.

Xael

PBpsy wrote: »

Oh. wait this thread was made by a PVE'r redguard templar who is just now trying out PvP it seems.
/Slowly backs away.

@PBpsy
Fixed

Draehl

Xael wrote: »

Draehl wrote: »

I'm a NB main and would like to see Shadow Cloak take a Bolt-Escape-like spam nerf in exchange for seeing a handful of our weaker skills buffed. Cloak is holding us back just like no DR Fear was holding back Affliction Warlocks in WoW at one point. We're a one trick pony in PvP and it's keeping the devs from buffing our other mechanics like DoTs, heals, lifesteal, etc. Don't get me wrong, I love cloak and will continue to use it but seeing this somewhat limited in order to shore up several of our weaker skill would make the class much more well rounded...

This isn't WoW or anything like WoW. Comparing the 2 is like comparing a bicycle to a submarine. It's neither here nor there.

We are not a one trick pony and saying such is not only false but misleading. Our cloak as it is can be countered tons of different ways, 2 of which completely shut it down, RML and Detect Pots. Not only this, but single target attacks, particularly a charge of any kind, cause it to fail. More importantly there are several ways (SEVERAL) to play a Nightblade and Cloak is not the pillar.

You have no idea what you are talking about and I question your PvP experience. You sound like a PvE guy who sometimes hops in Cyrodiil and does the "Hey guys what's goin' on?"

Nah, pretty tenured in ESO PvP- and of course it's a valid comparison. Sure it was nearly 10 years ago, but it's a fine example of a class being kept too far in check due to one strong skill holding the others back. I've played this particular DoT/lifesteal ranged caster archetype in several different MMOs. Call it a Bloodmage, Necromancer, Warlock, Shadowpriest, Archmage, Cabalist, Defiler, or whatever you like, but It's all I claim to know and I know it rather well. Non-burst NBs have some rather weak skills in our repertoire on this sustained damage/self healing end of the spectrum. It's clear the Siphoning line is being held back by none other than Shadow Cloak.

It's too bad we can't voluntarily give up or "self-nerf" Shadow Cloak to buffs other skills. Sadly it's expected we use this particular skill (which I obviously do) but it's a shame A- that we're forced into it for viability and B- even then it's still holding back the potency of several other skills. The same can be said for Sorc & Bolt or DKs with Reflect or DB, but what's the point in an open-skill system like ESO's when you're still railroaded into certain skills/builds so blatantly?
 

byrom101b16_ESO

Dracane wrote: »

They are all hiding in the shadows of the forums, giggling and hireing people to open up some nerf sorc threads to remove their last "threat" from the surface of Cyrodiil

Yeah - and Eric Wroble's main is a NB - so expect the nerfbat to land miles away every time...

Verrask

Is this a thinly-veiled call to nerf nightblades. Do you know what happens when you try to cross nightblades?

See you tonight..

*silent grin*

Dracane

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

They are all hiding in the shadows of the forums, giggling and hireing people to open up some nerf sorc threads to remove their last "threat" from the surface of Cyrodiil

Yeah - and Eric Wroble's main is a NB - so expect the nerfbat to land miles away every time...

He can play god. Wish we had this power.
Guess as long as he is lead combat designer, the situation for all classes gets worse, while it gets only better for Nightblades.
Biased

Draehl

Dracane wrote: »

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

They are all hiding in the shadows of the forums, giggling and hireing people to open up some nerf sorc threads to remove their last "threat" from the surface of Cyrodiil

Yeah - and Eric Wroble's main is a NB - so expect the nerfbat to land miles away every time...

He can play god. Wish we had this power.
Guess as long as he is lead combat designer, the situation for all classes gets worse, while it gets only better for Nightblades.
Biased

Clearly a burst NB. I'm on board with ya

Dracane

Draehl wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

They are all hiding in the shadows of the forums, giggling and hireing people to open up some nerf sorc threads to remove their last "threat" from the surface of Cyrodiil

Yeah - and Eric Wroble's main is a NB - so expect the nerfbat to land miles away every time...

He can play god. Wish we had this power.
Guess as long as he is lead combat designer, the situation for all classes gets worse, while it gets only better for Nightblades.
Biased

Clearly a burst NB. I'm on board with ya

I am no NB, not yet but my NB is waiting and I'm leveling her from time to time.
But I really hate leveling, I'm too lazy to do this again.
But good to have you with me

Forestd16b14_ESO

and yet every one still says nerf DKs or Sorcs. I'll admit I don't like sorcs but that was cause of there constant frag spamming and there BE and of course that stupid shield tacking. Other than that sorcs are ok.

Personofsecrets

The vanishing act is disheartening and really tiring.

>See guy
>Attack them
>Vanishes
>Never comes back for fight
>oh... okay =(

Draehl

Personofsecrets wrote: »

The vanishing act is disheartening and really tiring.

>See guy
>Attack them
>Vanishes
>Never comes back for fight
>oh... okay =(

I'll be running Piercing Mark at all times. Don't worry. We'll catch those dirty assassins!

Dracane

Draehl wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

The vanishing act is disheartening and really tiring.

>See guy
>Attack them
>Vanishes
>Never comes back for fight
>oh... okay =(

I'll be running Piercing Mark at all times. Don't worry. We'll catch those dirty assassins!

Mark is so awesome. NB has the best counter for its own class.
If I had Mark, I wouldn't need detect potions anymore Revealing flare is still very unhandy in my opinon.

Ace_SiN

Personofsecrets wrote: »

The vanishing act is disheartening and really tiring.

>See guy
>Attack them
>Vanishes
>Never comes back for fight
>oh... okay =(

LOL yea it's amazing how many people do this. That's why I enjoy my Temp whenever I play him. I usually just spam jabs in their back as they spam stealth, until they die.

Jolinius

Yeah sorry but everyones almost balanced except for some certain shields being too op and magic dks are garbage now ....play other classes please.

Lord_Hev

Xael wrote: »

Draehl wrote: »

I'm a NB main and would like to see Shadow Cloak take a Bolt-Escape-like spam nerf in exchange for seeing a handful of our weaker skills buffed. Cloak is holding us back just like no DR Fear was holding back Affliction Warlocks in WoW at one point. We're a one trick pony in PvP and it's keeping the devs from buffing our other mechanics like DoTs, heals, lifesteal, etc. Don't get me wrong, I love cloak and will continue to use it but seeing this somewhat limited in order to shore up several of our weaker skill would make the class much more well rounded...

This isn't WoW or anything like WoW. Comparing the 2 is like comparing a bicycle to a submarine. It's neither here nor there.

We are not a one trick pony and saying such is not only false but misleading. Our cloak as it is can be countered tons of different ways, 2 of which completely shut it down, RML and Detect Pots. Not only this, but single target attacks, particularly a charge of any kind, cause it to fail. More importantly there are several ways (SEVERAL) to play a Nightblade and Cloak is not the pillar.

You have no idea what you are talking about and I question your PvP experience. You sound like a PvE guy who sometimes hops in Cyrodiil and does the "Hey guys what's goin' on?"

Even with detect pots and bolt escape, there are NBs that can out-maneuver me, and get across the field faster then I can keep up... this is on live, not even taking into account the nerf to bolt escape in 1.7.


Even with detect pots, I can unleash various single target attacks, and none will connect.. except for curse and detonation bomb.


I streak through them. they cloak, blur, and are half way across the field.


I use impulse... they cloak, and are half way across the field.


I try and use liquid lightning(like... lol) and I can't even hit them with it period.


Maybe I can use flare? I'll catch the slow predictable ones that are staying close to me, gods know why. But the actual threats? Blur, and half-way across the field to try and insta-gib an easier target.




The only thing "shutting down cloak" ... are other NBs that use piercing mark.



Nice ad hominem attack though.

Xael

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Draehl wrote: »

I'm a NB main and would like to see Shadow Cloak take a Bolt-Escape-like spam nerf in exchange for seeing a handful of our weaker skills buffed. Cloak is holding us back just like no DR Fear was holding back Affliction Warlocks in WoW at one point. We're a one trick pony in PvP and it's keeping the devs from buffing our other mechanics like DoTs, heals, lifesteal, etc. Don't get me wrong, I love cloak and will continue to use it but seeing this somewhat limited in order to shore up several of our weaker skill would make the class much more well rounded...

This isn't WoW or anything like WoW. Comparing the 2 is like comparing a bicycle to a submarine. It's neither here nor there.

We are not a one trick pony and saying such is not only false but misleading. Our cloak as it is can be countered tons of different ways, 2 of which completely shut it down, RML and Detect Pots. Not only this, but single target attacks, particularly a charge of any kind, cause it to fail. More importantly there are several ways (SEVERAL) to play a Nightblade and Cloak is not the pillar.

You have no idea what you are talking about and I question your PvP experience. You sound like a PvE guy who sometimes hops in Cyrodiil and does the "Hey guys what's goin' on?"

Even with detect pots and bolt escape, there are NBs that can out-maneuver me, and get across the field faster then I can keep up... this is on live, not even taking into account the nerf to bolt escape in 1.7.


Even with detect pots, I can unleash various single target attacks, and none will connect.. except for curse and detonation bomb.


I streak through them. they cloak, blur, and are half way across the field.


I use impulse... they cloak, and are half way across the field.


I try and use liquid lightning(like... lol) and I can't even hit them with it period.


Maybe I can use flare? I'll catch the slow predictable ones that are staying close to me, gods know why. But the actual threats? Blur, and half-way across the field to try and insta-gib an easier target.




The only thing "shutting down cloak" ... are other NBs that use piercing mark.



Nice ad hominem attack though.

Wow, maybe you should play a different class. Just about every NB that PvPs will tell you how easy it is to get knocked out of cloak, especially by a streaking Sorc who uses detect pots or Radiant Magelight. If you can't keep up with a NB using Streak with a detect pot... that's totally you. You clearly don't use Radiant Magelight... you also have several ways to slow a NB with a snare. As far as "the nerf to bolt escape in 1.7" stuff goes, you are a Sorc right? You are aware you have a skill called Boundless Storm? It's hands down the best ability a sorc has... again, on you.



Nice anecdotal though.

Lord_Hev

Xael wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Draehl wrote: »

I'm a NB main and would like to see Shadow Cloak take a Bolt-Escape-like spam nerf in exchange for seeing a handful of our weaker skills buffed. Cloak is holding us back just like no DR Fear was holding back Affliction Warlocks in WoW at one point. We're a one trick pony in PvP and it's keeping the devs from buffing our other mechanics like DoTs, heals, lifesteal, etc. Don't get me wrong, I love cloak and will continue to use it but seeing this somewhat limited in order to shore up several of our weaker skill would make the class much more well rounded...

This isn't WoW or anything like WoW. Comparing the 2 is like comparing a bicycle to a submarine. It's neither here nor there.

We are not a one trick pony and saying such is not only false but misleading. Our cloak as it is can be countered tons of different ways, 2 of which completely shut it down, RML and Detect Pots. Not only this, but single target attacks, particularly a charge of any kind, cause it to fail. More importantly there are several ways (SEVERAL) to play a Nightblade and Cloak is not the pillar.

You have no idea what you are talking about and I question your PvP experience. You sound like a PvE guy who sometimes hops in Cyrodiil and does the "Hey guys what's goin' on?"

Even with detect pots and bolt escape, there are NBs that can out-maneuver me, and get across the field faster then I can keep up... this is on live, not even taking into account the nerf to bolt escape in 1.7.


Even with detect pots, I can unleash various single target attacks, and none will connect.. except for curse and detonation bomb.


I streak through them. they cloak, blur, and are half way across the field.


I use impulse... they cloak, and are half way across the field.


I try and use liquid lightning(like... lol) and I can't even hit them with it period.


Maybe I can use flare? I'll catch the slow predictable ones that are staying close to me, gods know why. But the actual threats? Blur, and half-way across the field to try and insta-gib an easier target.




The only thing "shutting down cloak" ... are other NBs that use piercing mark.



Nice ad hominem attack though.

Wow, maybe you should play a different class. Just about every NB that PvPs will tell you how easy it is to get knocked out of cloak, especially by a streaking Sorc who uses detect pots or Radiant Magelight. If you can't keep up with a NB using Streak with a detect pot... that's totally you. You clearly don't use Radiant Magelight... you also have several ways to slow a NB with a snare. As far as "the nerf to bolt escape in 1.7" stuff goes, you are a Sorc right? You are aware you have a skill called Boundless Storm? It's hands down the best ability a sorc has... again, on you.



Nice anecdotal though.

I main a sorc and a DK. I play different classes. I also have many friends who are NBs, that can attest to how easy they can come and go in a fight. Many of which whom are well aware how much more powerful they will become in 1.7.



And yeah, streaking and boundless storm are nice and all, I can catch the NBs that have no idea what they are doing. But the actual decent ones? They have a much less risk/factor for getting in and out of fights. And in 1.7, they will have it the absolute easiest as it stands.


There is a slight learning curve to cloaking out of hairy situations. Once you learn it, you can effectively become a ghost with a magic build. Stam builds have it more rough, yeah. But the good ones I've seen spec into regen, and can reliably roll-dodge > cloak > vigor their way back to safety... on 1.7 PTS. Even easier on live. Both stam and mag... can move very, very fast. Faster then a sorc will be able to keep up come next update. The only thing keeping up with NBs now, will be NBs with piercing mark. Which is very reminiscent of sorcs bolt escaping with impunity in the 1.1 days, where only sorcs could catch sorcs.

Igawotch

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

They are all hiding in the shadows of the forums, giggling and hireing people to open up some nerf sorc threads to remove their last "threat" from the surface of Cyrodiil

Yeah - and Eric Wroble's main is a NB - so expect the nerfbat to land miles away every time...

I guess that's why DK's were broken OP as **** when the game came out right?

Xael

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Draehl wrote: »

I'm a NB main and would like to see Shadow Cloak take a Bolt-Escape-like spam nerf in exchange for seeing a handful of our weaker skills buffed. Cloak is holding us back just like no DR Fear was holding back Affliction Warlocks in WoW at one point. We're a one trick pony in PvP and it's keeping the devs from buffing our other mechanics like DoTs, heals, lifesteal, etc. Don't get me wrong, I love cloak and will continue to use it but seeing this somewhat limited in order to shore up several of our weaker skill would make the class much more well rounded...

This isn't WoW or anything like WoW. Comparing the 2 is like comparing a bicycle to a submarine. It's neither here nor there.

We are not a one trick pony and saying such is not only false but misleading. Our cloak as it is can be countered tons of different ways, 2 of which completely shut it down, RML and Detect Pots. Not only this, but single target attacks, particularly a charge of any kind, cause it to fail. More importantly there are several ways (SEVERAL) to play a Nightblade and Cloak is not the pillar.

You have no idea what you are talking about and I question your PvP experience. You sound like a PvE guy who sometimes hops in Cyrodiil and does the "Hey guys what's goin' on?"

Even with detect pots and bolt escape, there are NBs that can out-maneuver me, and get across the field faster then I can keep up... this is on live, not even taking into account the nerf to bolt escape in 1.7.


Even with detect pots, I can unleash various single target attacks, and none will connect.. except for curse and detonation bomb.


I streak through them. they cloak, blur, and are half way across the field.


I use impulse... they cloak, and are half way across the field.


I try and use liquid lightning(like... lol) and I can't even hit them with it period.


Maybe I can use flare? I'll catch the slow predictable ones that are staying close to me, gods know why. But the actual threats? Blur, and half-way across the field to try and insta-gib an easier target.




The only thing "shutting down cloak" ... are other NBs that use piercing mark.



Nice ad hominem attack though.

Wow, maybe you should play a different class. Just about every NB that PvPs will tell you how easy it is to get knocked out of cloak, especially by a streaking Sorc who uses detect pots or Radiant Magelight. If you can't keep up with a NB using Streak with a detect pot... that's totally you. You clearly don't use Radiant Magelight... you also have several ways to slow a NB with a snare. As far as "the nerf to bolt escape in 1.7" stuff goes, you are a Sorc right? You are aware you have a skill called Boundless Storm? It's hands down the best ability a sorc has... again, on you.



Nice anecdotal though.

I main a sorc and a DK. I play different classes. I also have many friends who are NBs, that can attest to how easy they can come and go in a fight. Many of which whom are well aware how much more powerful they will become in 1.7.



And yeah, streaking and boundless storm are nice and all, I can catch the NBs that have no idea what they are doing. But the actual decent ones? They have a much less risk/factor for getting in and out of fights. And in 1.7, they will have it the absolute easiest as it stands.


There is a slight learning curve to cloaking out of hairy situations. Once you learn it, you can effectively become a ghost with a magic build. Stam builds have it more rough, yeah. But the good ones I've seen spec into regen, and can reliably roll-dodge > cloak > vigor their way back to safety... on 1.7 PTS. Even easier on live. Both stam and mag... can move very, very fast. Faster then a sorc will be able to keep up come next update. The only thing keeping up with NBs now, will be NBs with piercing mark. Which is very reminiscent of sorcs bolt escaping with impunity in the 1.1 days, where only sorcs could catch sorcs.

This is incorrect.
First of all it's 2.1 not 1.7. Secondly, there are no changes to Cloak. Charge of any kind still stops cloak as do other single target abilities. Detect pots? Guess what, same thing. Even Gina Bruno confirmed they still work against cloak: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2079445/#Comment_2079445

Again, you have Streak and Boundless Storm. Boundless Storm makes you just as fast as a nightblade and gives you a pulsing AoE that breaks Cloak...and Streak makes you even better, more importantly it has a stun. Radiant Magelight has a 12m radius against non Bosmer non Medium Armor wearers. So again, if you can't catch someone using cloak, this is your fault or latency. As a Sorc running RML/BS/Streak, they cannot get away from me. You are also aware that most Nightblades don't run Shuffle because they use Double Take? Also a lot of them do not run Efficient Purge or Retreating Maneuvers. That said most Nightblades cannot remove slow. Again, if you are not doing all you can, it's on you. That's fine that you have friends that can attest to giving someone the slip. I also have friends that can say the same or argue from the opposite perspective. Moot.

As a Sorc I have 0 problem keeping up or catching NBs. I have the best mobility in the game (currently) and even if I switch to Stam, I still don't have a problem.

Lastly, you are complaining that a Nightblade uses an ability to get away that was designed for that very purpose? I mean for crying out loud man... Do you not see how ridiculous this is? That's like bitching about heals healing. If you could stop every Nightblade that uses cloak there would be little point in the ability.

Cathexis

Xael wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Draehl wrote: »

I'm a NB main and would like to see Shadow Cloak take a Bolt-Escape-like spam nerf in exchange for seeing a handful of our weaker skills buffed. Cloak is holding us back just like no DR Fear was holding back Affliction Warlocks in WoW at one point. We're a one trick pony in PvP and it's keeping the devs from buffing our other mechanics like DoTs, heals, lifesteal, etc. Don't get me wrong, I love cloak and will continue to use it but seeing this somewhat limited in order to shore up several of our weaker skill would make the class much more well rounded...

This isn't WoW or anything like WoW. Comparing the 2 is like comparing a bicycle to a submarine. It's neither here nor there.

We are not a one trick pony and saying such is not only false but misleading. Our cloak as it is can be countered tons of different ways, 2 of which completely shut it down, RML and Detect Pots. Not only this, but single target attacks, particularly a charge of any kind, cause it to fail. More importantly there are several ways (SEVERAL) to play a Nightblade and Cloak is not the pillar.

You have no idea what you are talking about and I question your PvP experience. You sound like a PvE guy who sometimes hops in Cyrodiil and does the "Hey guys what's goin' on?"

Even with detect pots and bolt escape, there are NBs that can out-maneuver me, and get across the field faster then I can keep up... this is on live, not even taking into account the nerf to bolt escape in 1.7.


Even with detect pots, I can unleash various single target attacks, and none will connect.. except for curse and detonation bomb.


I streak through them. they cloak, blur, and are half way across the field.


I use impulse... they cloak, and are half way across the field.


I try and use liquid lightning(like... lol) and I can't even hit them with it period.


Maybe I can use flare? I'll catch the slow predictable ones that are staying close to me, gods know why. But the actual threats? Blur, and half-way across the field to try and insta-gib an easier target.




The only thing "shutting down cloak" ... are other NBs that use piercing mark.



Nice ad hominem attack though.

Wow, maybe you should play a different class. Just about every NB that PvPs will tell you how easy it is to get knocked out of cloak, especially by a streaking Sorc who uses detect pots or Radiant Magelight. If you can't keep up with a NB using Streak with a detect pot... that's totally you. You clearly don't use Radiant Magelight... you also have several ways to slow a NB with a snare. As far as "the nerf to bolt escape in 1.7" stuff goes, you are a Sorc right? You are aware you have a skill called Boundless Storm? It's hands down the best ability a sorc has... again, on you.



Nice anecdotal though.

Lolololololololol rollercoaster roflcopter lol lmao radiant magelight as a counter lolololololollmao lmfao lol and boundless storm too?? Lololol this guys hilarious lmfao

ToRelax

Xael wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Draehl wrote: »

I'm a NB main and would like to see Shadow Cloak take a Bolt-Escape-like spam nerf in exchange for seeing a handful of our weaker skills buffed. Cloak is holding us back just like no DR Fear was holding back Affliction Warlocks in WoW at one point. We're a one trick pony in PvP and it's keeping the devs from buffing our other mechanics like DoTs, heals, lifesteal, etc. Don't get me wrong, I love cloak and will continue to use it but seeing this somewhat limited in order to shore up several of our weaker skill would make the class much more well rounded...

This isn't WoW or anything like WoW. Comparing the 2 is like comparing a bicycle to a submarine. It's neither here nor there.

We are not a one trick pony and saying such is not only false but misleading. Our cloak as it is can be countered tons of different ways, 2 of which completely shut it down, RML and Detect Pots. Not only this, but single target attacks, particularly a charge of any kind, cause it to fail. More importantly there are several ways (SEVERAL) to play a Nightblade and Cloak is not the pillar.

You have no idea what you are talking about and I question your PvP experience. You sound like a PvE guy who sometimes hops in Cyrodiil and does the "Hey guys what's goin' on?"

Even with detect pots and bolt escape, there are NBs that can out-maneuver me, and get across the field faster then I can keep up... this is on live, not even taking into account the nerf to bolt escape in 1.7.


Even with detect pots, I can unleash various single target attacks, and none will connect.. except for curse and detonation bomb.


I streak through them. they cloak, blur, and are half way across the field.


I use impulse... they cloak, and are half way across the field.


I try and use liquid lightning(like... lol) and I can't even hit them with it period.


Maybe I can use flare? I'll catch the slow predictable ones that are staying close to me, gods know why. But the actual threats? Blur, and half-way across the field to try and insta-gib an easier target.




The only thing "shutting down cloak" ... are other NBs that use piercing mark.



Nice ad hominem attack though.

Wow, maybe you should play a different class. Just about every NB that PvPs will tell you how easy it is to get knocked out of cloak, especially by a streaking Sorc who uses detect pots or Radiant Magelight. If you can't keep up with a NB using Streak with a detect pot... that's totally you. You clearly don't use Radiant Magelight... you also have several ways to slow a NB with a snare. As far as "the nerf to bolt escape in 1.7" stuff goes, you are a Sorc right? You are aware you have a skill called Boundless Storm? It's hands down the best ability a sorc has... again, on you.



Nice anecdotal though.

It can get you killed in IC because it pulls all the mobs and to detect a NB with it you need a lot of luck... or a very stupid NB.
Furthermore, I can't take NBs telling me Cloak is easy to counter serious if they not also use Shadow Image constantly.