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So crit on damage shields...Rip Sun Shield.
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ZoS is making it so you can crit damage shields in the coming patch for the PTS. ZoS, do you even think before you try and nerf something? Sorcerers will still be able to stack damage shields perfectly fine (to those who think sorcs will no longer be viable, you are dead wrong). But...HAVE YOU EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT OTHER CLASSES?
On my Templar in the PTS, I have 30k+ max HP I get about a 5k Damage shield from Blazing shield/Radiant ward (sorcs are still getting about 30k Damage shields) and now you can crit shields?! Templars are supposed to be more of melee fighters like DK's but we only have 2 self buffs Which is Sun shield and Rune focus. Now we have only one self buff ability, there will be no point in a Templar with Sun shield or any morphs.
Keep nerfing Templars ZoS, We love to continue being the worst class in the game.
Edited by bosmern_ESO on August 2, 2015 1:57AM On my Templar in the PTS, I have 30k+ max HP I get about a 5k Damage shield from Blazing shield/Radiant ward (sorcs are still getting about 30k Damage shields) and now you can crit shields?! Templars are supposed to be more of melee fighters like DK's but we only have 2 self buffs Which is Sun shield and Rune focus. Now we have only one self buff ability, there will be no point in a Templar with Sun shield or any morphs.
Keep nerfing Templars ZoS, We love to continue being the worst class in the game.
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Hiero_Glyph✭✭✭✭✭ZoS just needs to make all damage shields scale based on health. This would solve a lot of the current issues. Healing Ward needs to be investigated though since it is far too strong currently.6 -
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✭✭Why do you even posting this garbage when you say temp gets 5k damage shield while sorc gets 30k. Why lie and exaggerate like that where you're comparing temp with one shield versus sorc with three. Sorc shield is about 5k more than yours, so if you're gonna complain at least get the facts right.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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bosmern_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why do you even posting this garbage when you say temp gets 5k damage shield while sorc gets 30k. Why lie and exaggerate like that where you're comparing temp with one shield versus sorc with three. Sorc shield is about 5k more than yours, so if you're gonna complain at least get the facts right.
The only way a Templar can get close to a sorc with 3 shield is if they used Barrier, Sun shield, healing ward and annul. Sorcs wont even need barrier and will have more shields then a temp.
I run with sorcs that still get 25-30k damage shields on the PTS, you might want to go back to math class if you think 25k damage shields are only 5k more then a 5k damage shield.Edited by bosmern_ESO on August 2, 2015 2:10AM~Thallen~2 -
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✭✭bosmern_ESO wrote: »Why do you even posting this garbage when you say temp gets 5k damage shield while sorc gets 30k. Why lie and exaggerate like that where you're comparing temp with one shield versus sorc with three. Sorc shield is about 5k more than yours, so if you're gonna complain at least get the facts right.
The only way a Templar can get close to a sorc with 3 shield is if they used Barrier, Sun shield, healing ward and annul. Sorcs wont even need barrier and will have more shields then a temp.
I run with sorcs that still get 25-30k damage shields on the PTS, you might want to go back to math class if you think 25k damage shields are only 5k more then a 5k damage shield.
You know sorc only has one class shield right? Why are you comparing sorcs shield stacking versus one templar shield. Why man? Why?You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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k2blader✭✭✭✭✭bosmern_ESO wrote: »Why do you even posting this garbage when you say temp gets 5k damage shield while sorc gets 30k. Why lie and exaggerate like that where you're comparing temp with one shield versus sorc with three. Sorc shield is about 5k more than yours, so if you're gonna complain at least get the facts right.
The only way a Templar can get close to a sorc with 3 shield is if they used Barrier, Sun shield, healing ward and annul. Sorcs wont even need barrier and will have more shields then a temp.
I run with sorcs that still get 25-30k damage shields on the PTS, you might want to go back to math class if you think 25k damage shields are only 5k more then a 5k damage shield.
You know sorc only has one class shield right? Why are you comparing sorcs shield stacking versus one templar shield. Why man? Why?
Thank you @Erock25 . I think he also does not understand his class has a healing tree..Disabling the grass may improve performance.5 -
Hiero_Glyph✭✭✭✭✭bosmern_ESO wrote: »Why do you even posting this garbage when you say temp gets 5k damage shield while sorc gets 30k. Why lie and exaggerate like that where you're comparing temp with one shield versus sorc with three. Sorc shield is about 5k more than yours, so if you're gonna complain at least get the facts right.
The only way a Templar can get close to a sorc with 3 shield is if they used Barrier, Sun shield, healing ward and annul. Sorcs wont even need barrier and will have more shields then a temp.
I run with sorcs that still get 25-30k damage shields on the PTS, you might want to go back to math class if you think 25k damage shields are only 5k more then a 5k damage shield.
You know sorc only has one class shield right? Why are you comparing sorcs shield stacking versus one templar shield. Why man? Why?
Thank you @Erock25 . I think he also does not understand his class has a healing tree..
A shield effectively increases your max health by the amount of the shield, even more without crits. A heal only replenishes your missing health. Apples and oranges.
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k2blader✭✭✭✭✭Hiero_Glyph wrote: »bosmern_ESO wrote: »Why do you even posting this garbage when you say temp gets 5k damage shield while sorc gets 30k. Why lie and exaggerate like that where you're comparing temp with one shield versus sorc with three. Sorc shield is about 5k more than yours, so if you're gonna complain at least get the facts right.
The only way a Templar can get close to a sorc with 3 shield is if they used Barrier, Sun shield, healing ward and annul. Sorcs wont even need barrier and will have more shields then a temp.
I run with sorcs that still get 25-30k damage shields on the PTS, you might want to go back to math class if you think 25k damage shields are only 5k more then a 5k damage shield.
You know sorc only has one class shield right? Why are you comparing sorcs shield stacking versus one templar shield. Why man? Why?
Thank you @Erock25 . I think he also does not understand his class has a healing tree..
A shield effectively increases your max health by the amount of the shield, even more without crits. A heal only replenishes your missing health. Apples and oranges.
I'll leave out any fruit analogies and spell it out very clearly for you:
Templars do not have Hardened Ward because Templars have a healing tree. Sorcs have Hardened Ward because they do not have a healing tree.
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Farorin✭✭✭✭✭I don't understand the arguing on this. To me it is simple, a change is being introduced to combat Sorcs stacking shields, this change is going to also make the templars shield worse, and considering it is also pretty crap to begin with, especially considering other shields around, such as sorc shield, that is where the complaint is. If the issue is with sorcs stacking shields, why is an already weak class with an already trash shield going to suffer a nerf as well?4 -
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✭I don't understand the arguing on this. To me it is simple, a change is being introduced to combat Sorcs stacking shields, this change is going to also make the templars shield worse, and considering it is also pretty crap to begin with, especially considering other shields around, such as sorc shield, that is where the complaint is. If the issue is with sorcs stacking shields, why is an already weak class with an already trash shield going to suffer a nerf as well?
Praise the eight that there was at least one person who understood what I was saying.
Its not a comparison to Hardened ward/Blazing shield. Hardened ward is still going to be a great damage shield while Sun shield and its morphs are just going to be a waste of an ability to have on your bar.
You can say Templars have a healing tree but they also have a bad DPS tree (unless your stam) and a Tree that just doesn't know what it is (Is it a DPS tree? or a buff/debuff tree or is it a status effect tree?)
With blazing shield being useless and even more useless when you can crit shields that leaves Templars with only one self buff, which is rune focus.
And If you want to compare self buffs between sorcs/temps here you go:
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Blazing shield
Rune focus
Sorc-
Ward
Bound armor
lightning form
Defensive rune
Surge
Dark Exchange
I'd also like to point out Templar are supposed to be melee/short range fighters while Sorcs stay away from the target and burst them down without ever getting near them, So shouldn't Templars have more self buffs?
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✭bosmern_ESO wrote: »Why do you even posting this garbage when you say temp gets 5k damage shield while sorc gets 30k. Why lie and exaggerate like that where you're comparing temp with one shield versus sorc with three. Sorc shield is about 5k more than yours, so if you're gonna complain at least get the facts right.
The only way a Templar can get close to a sorc with 3 shield is if they used Barrier, Sun shield, healing ward and annul. Sorcs wont even need barrier and will have more shields then a temp.
I run with sorcs that still get 25-30k damage shields on the PTS, you might want to go back to math class if you think 25k damage shields are only 5k more then a 5k damage shield.
You know sorc only has one class shield right? Why are you comparing sorcs shield stacking versus one templar shield. Why man? Why?
I'd just like to point out I never compared Templar damage shields with Sorcs. I simply said that Sorcs get around 30k damage shields. Don't get all whipped up into a rage and go keyboard hero mode assuming I was saying something I didn't.~Thallen~0 -
Hiero_Glyph✭✭✭✭✭Hiero_Glyph wrote: »bosmern_ESO wrote: »Why do you even posting this garbage when you say temp gets 5k damage shield while sorc gets 30k. Why lie and exaggerate like that where you're comparing temp with one shield versus sorc with three. Sorc shield is about 5k more than yours, so if you're gonna complain at least get the facts right.
The only way a Templar can get close to a sorc with 3 shield is if they used Barrier, Sun shield, healing ward and annul. Sorcs wont even need barrier and will have more shields then a temp.
I run with sorcs that still get 25-30k damage shields on the PTS, you might want to go back to math class if you think 25k damage shields are only 5k more then a 5k damage shield.
You know sorc only has one class shield right? Why are you comparing sorcs shield stacking versus one templar shield. Why man? Why?
Thank you @Erock25 . I think he also does not understand his class has a healing tree..
A shield effectively increases your max health by the amount of the shield, even more without crits. A heal only replenishes your missing health. Apples and oranges.
I'll leave out any fruit analogies and spell it out very clearly for you:
Templars do not have Hardened Ward because Templars have a healing tree. Sorcs have Hardened Ward because they do not have a healing tree.
Again, healing does not mitigate damage, it only refills the existing health pool. Let's take an example to clarify the difference. A Sorc has 20k health and a 10k shield. A Templar has 25k health and a 5k shield. Both have 30k total but the Sorc can absorb 10k damage from the shield before any healing needs to be used. So if they take 12k damage they have only lost 2k. Once they recast their shield they are still only 2k down. If the Templar takes the same 12k damage they are 7k health down. If both recast their shields the Sorc has 28k total while the Templar is at 23k. So now the Templar needs to cast an additional skill to heal wasting time and resources, losing DPS, and still having less resilience.0 -
GoodOrc✭✭I played as Templar about an year and sun shield always was not good enaf as protective tool , for tank/mage/stam build no matter. Now it is more worthless. No compering to sorcs, as some one sayd we hawe heal, but my stamplare DPS or tank dont hawe heal that is big enaf to compinsate that loss of shield...
I hawe an offer to Developers give As shield that mobs use as one of morph. If you look at some NPS thay can put Sun shield on allies. It will be great for tanks and/pr healers.
As second morph do shield seelf proyective, But little bit more so it dont pup after 1 attak. And time, at least 10-12 second please.0 -
Zsymon✭✭✭✭Hiero_Glyph wrote: »A shield effectively increases your max health by the amount of the shield, even more without crits. A heal only replenishes your missing health. Apples and oranges.
No it doesn't increase your max health by the amount of the shield, because shield health is received unmitigated, while normal health receives full mitigation. There is so much false claims on this forum it is staggering.
It is also true that Sorc shields are only about 5K stronger than Templar shields, because Healing Ward is not a Sorc skill, and the only reason Sorcs can stack so high is because of Healing Ward, which is available to Templars too.
People also seem to forget Healing Ward is only so strong when your health is in execute range. But yes currently Healing Ward is bugged, and that has nothing to do with Sorcs.Edited by Zsymon on August 2, 2015 7:59AM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Hiero_Glyph wrote: »ZoS just needs to make all damage shields scale based on health. This would solve a lot of the current issues. Healing Ward needs to be investigated though since it is far too strong currently.
This is oh so true.
Healing ward is also the issue behind all the shieldstacking going on sadly. It´s designed as the resto staffs burst heal. That´s why they can´t simply adjust shields to be unstackable - there would be no option for healers that are nontemplars. The skill is fundamentally flawed by design and has been since the game launched only because they want resto staff healing to feel different than templar bol spam.<Noricum>
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Sorc VS Templar shielding and healing:
chapter one : Sorc shields and Heals.
sorc can effectively place a shield ranging from 22k to 28k (seen on PTS alot)
while they lack the healing tree of a templar , the ticks from rapid regeneration can keep a sorc alive healing around 5-6k HP LOOOOOOONGGGGG BEFORE ANYONE CAN BREAK THROUGH THEIR SHIELDS.
in addition to that , sorc has the familiar that heals 30%+ HP when killed or unsommoned. i can Summon/kill 2-3 of them before people break through my shield stacking. EASY. Plus combined with Streak making it VERY hard to land any hits except for gap closers...... Plus if not broken in time , healing ward will proc too........
so sorc can heal under the shield with NO PROBLEM cosnsidering he has top notch Escape ability combined with enormous regeneration under stacked shields and a 30%+ heal on demand with 1.3s cast time.....
Chapter 2 : healing and shielding on a templar
While i agree that templars have a healing tree, they are forced to use it alot during combat , because EVERY SINGLE HIT GOES INTO THEIR HP. Their 30k HP( considering hes a tank with much more limited mana and weak heals) is alot less than a 20k HP sorc.
think about this: 20k +28k shield thats almost 50k --- and almost 30k of it , YOU DONT HAVE TO HEAL. YOU CAN JUST REFRESH IT WITH HALF THE COST OF A TEMPLAR HEAL
scenarios:
sorc: 20k HP + 28k bubble , gives him around 3-4 seconds of free time to attack , considering he is using Streak to move out of hits before he will have to refresh the shield. from expirience , in 3-4 seconds a sorc can shoot you with Cry-frag - deadric curse and 2-3 force shocks AND MAYBE ANOTHER CRY-FRAG OR TWO IN BETWEEN. summing up to around.....x2 cryo-frag =10-12k DMG ( on a high defence target ) +crushing shock x2 (around 5-6k) deadric curse is around 6k.....soooooo.... 21k-24k DMG while HE DOES NOT HAVE TO REFRESH ANYTHING.
Templar.
having no shield he will take hits right into his HP , so considering he will stop attacking and go defence, Templar lacks the Escape ability of a sorc leaving him further more open to attacks , but now he is gone from offence to defence , meaning he has around a second to react between the heals to be able to somewhat fight back.
Lets say he has heavy armor , make those heals 30% weaker , limit further more his mana regen , take off 10% crit chance and a huge chunk of his DMG , now he has 30K HP , NO bubbles , weak heals , no DMG , a TANK WITH HEALS THAT HAS LESS SRUVIVEABILITY than a damn 20k HP sorc that can outsamage a templar with 4 to one ration in dmg......
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Zsymon✭✭✭✭Maybe a solution would be to change Healing Ward to a burst heal rather than a damage shield.
Tho I'm not sure how they could make it different enough from Breath of Life/Honor the Dead.Edited by Zsymon on August 2, 2015 8:30AM0 -
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✭✭bosmern_ESO wrote: »bosmern_ESO wrote: »Why do you even posting this garbage when you say temp gets 5k damage shield while sorc gets 30k. Why lie and exaggerate like that where you're comparing temp with one shield versus sorc with three. Sorc shield is about 5k more than yours, so if you're gonna complain at least get the facts right.
The only way a Templar can get close to a sorc with 3 shield is if they used Barrier, Sun shield, healing ward and annul. Sorcs wont even need barrier and will have more shields then a temp.
I run with sorcs that still get 25-30k damage shields on the PTS, you might want to go back to math class if you think 25k damage shields are only 5k more then a 5k damage shield.
You know sorc only has one class shield right? Why are you comparing sorcs shield stacking versus one templar shield. Why man? Why?
I'd just like to point out I never compared Templar damage shields with Sorcs. I simply said that Sorcs get around 30k damage shields. Don't get all whipped up into a rage and go keyboard hero mode assuming I was saying something I didn't.bosmern_ESO wrote: »
On my Templar in the PTS, I have 30k+ max HP I get about a 5k Damage shield from Blazing shield/Radiant ward (sorcs are still getting about 30k Damage shields)
Yes you are right you never compared Sorc shield with Temp shield and THAT is the problem. You compared Temp shield to Sorc shield, plus Light Armor Shield, plus Healing Ward which is what I am pointing out.
That is like me saying that I am mad that my Sorc only shields for 10k while there are DKs walking around with 30k (but I fail to mention that includes Igneous Shield, Ferocious Leap, and Barrier).You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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✭✭✭✭✭bosmern_ESO wrote: »Why do you even posting this garbage when you say temp gets 5k damage shield while sorc gets 30k. Why lie and exaggerate like that where you're comparing temp with one shield versus sorc with three. Sorc shield is about 5k more than yours, so if you're gonna complain at least get the facts right.
The only way a Templar can get close to a sorc with 3 shield is if they used Barrier, Sun shield, healing ward and annul. Sorcs wont even need barrier and will have more shields then a temp.
I run with sorcs that still get 25-30k damage shields on the PTS, you might want to go back to math class if you think 25k damage shields are only 5k more then a 5k damage shield.
The thing is, a Templar doesnt have to get close to Sorc shields, because you have your strong self heals.
But #NerfHealingWardAuri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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✭bosmern_ESO wrote: »Why do you even posting this garbage when you say temp gets 5k damage shield while sorc gets 30k. Why lie and exaggerate like that where you're comparing temp with one shield versus sorc with three. Sorc shield is about 5k more than yours, so if you're gonna complain at least get the facts right.
The only way a Templar can get close to a sorc with 3 shield is if they used Barrier, Sun shield, healing ward and annul. Sorcs wont even need barrier and will have more shields then a temp.
I run with sorcs that still get 25-30k damage shields on the PTS, you might want to go back to math class if you think 25k damage shields are only 5k more then a 5k damage shield.
The thing is, a Templar doesnt have to get close to Sorc shields, because you have your strong self heals.
But #NerfHealingWard
well his templar has the same 14k anulment shield as sorcs wich brings him to comparable 19k shields while still having a 10k instand BoL wich the sorc dont get so we have 30+k defense on the templar side with additional pbae dmg ws 25-30k defensive without any offensive side effects.Edited by Tankqull on August 2, 2015 1:42PMspelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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FireCowCommando✭✭✭✭✭Dear Blazing Shield,
This past year has been a blur for both of us. There were times we spent many hours laughing at the people laying on the floor around us. We were so alive i felt we could do anything with you slotted into my main bar, hell sometimes even number 1.
I dont want us to keep this relationship dragging on for either of us, i cant even remember the last time i felt you light up around me. When i close my eyes i can still see your smoldering oval shaped body of magical protection.
It's not your fault you are being gutted from the inside! Its those damned Sorcerer's! Hardened Ward doesn't even look half as pretty as you do, and honestly, when was the last time that prude ever hit anything?
Anyway, just wanted to say its not your fault that you ended up as protective as a used condom.
Love,
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✭✭✭✭✭bosmern_ESO wrote: »Why do you even posting this garbage when you say temp gets 5k damage shield while sorc gets 30k. Why lie and exaggerate like that where you're comparing temp with one shield versus sorc with three. Sorc shield is about 5k more than yours, so if you're gonna complain at least get the facts right.
The only way a Templar can get close to a sorc with 3 shield is if they used Barrier, Sun shield, healing ward and annul. Sorcs wont even need barrier and will have more shields then a temp.
I run with sorcs that still get 25-30k damage shields on the PTS, you might want to go back to math class if you think 25k damage shields are only 5k more then a 5k damage shield.
The thing is, a Templar doesnt have to get close to Sorc shields, because you have your strong self heals.
But #NerfHealingWard
well his templar has the same 14k anulment shield as sorcs wich brings him to comparable 19k shields while still having a 10k instand BoL wich the sorc dont get so we have 30+k defense on the templar side with additional pbae dmg ws 25-30k defensive without any offensive side effects.
Exactly, The Templar can have his class shield, harness Magicka and healing ward PLUS his strong class self heals.
I would rather call this imbalanced
But do you ever see people using this simple combo ? I don't and I wonder why.
People could have it all, everyone could be so strong, but they refuse to use simple abilities available for everyone.
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✭bosmern_ESO wrote: »Why do you even posting this garbage when you say temp gets 5k damage shield while sorc gets 30k. Why lie and exaggerate like that where you're comparing temp with one shield versus sorc with three. Sorc shield is about 5k more than yours, so if you're gonna complain at least get the facts right.
The only way a Templar can get close to a sorc with 3 shield is if they used Barrier, Sun shield, healing ward and annul. Sorcs wont even need barrier and will have more shields then a temp.
I run with sorcs that still get 25-30k damage shields on the PTS, you might want to go back to math class if you think 25k damage shields are only 5k more then a 5k damage shield.
The thing is, a Templar doesnt have to get close to Sorc shields, because you have your strong self heals.
But #NerfHealingWard
well his templar has the same 14k anulment shield as sorcs wich brings him to comparable 19k shields while still having a 10k instand BoL wich the sorc dont get so we have 30+k defense on the templar side with additional pbae dmg ws 25-30k defensive without any offensive side effects.
Exactly, The Templar can have his class shield, harness Magicka and healing ward PLUS his strong class self heals.
I would rather call this imbalanced But do you ever see people using this simple combo ? I don't and I wonder why.
People could have it all, everyone could be so strong, but they refuse to use simple abilities available for everyone.
What am I supposed to say ?
i do and i´m unable to ever kill them luckily it not common they prefer to have backlash on their qbs instead of healing ward.spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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✭sorcs have no shield that lasts longer than 5 sec while beeing attacked either so whats the problem again?
btw you should start to recognize that healing ward is by far the most powerfull shield out there. wich is acessable to every body
<- 30k shield by my templar, yeah compleatly unworthy and unstackable ^^ spelling and grammar errors are free to be abused
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Nice theorycrafting and useless...sorcs have no shield that lasts longer than 5 sec while beeing attacked either so whats the problem again?
btw you should start to recognize that healing ward is by far the most powerfull shield out there. wich is acessable to every body <- 30k shield by my templar, yeah compleatly unworthy and unstackable ^^
Also nice screen made no matter on currently bugged pts or live with invalid numbers for 1.7. I can stack my skillbars with shield abilities, jump from cliff and get higher numbers with same zero meaning for balance.
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I don't think you know your class very much. Your post should look like this in terms of buffs.bosmern_ESO wrote: »I don't understand the arguing on this. To me it is simple, a change is being introduced to combat Sorcs stacking shields, this change is going to also make the templars shield worse, and considering it is also pretty crap to begin with, especially considering other shields around, such as sorc shield, that is where the complaint is. If the issue is with sorcs stacking shields, why is an already weak class with an already trash shield going to suffer a nerf as well?
Praise the eight that there was at least one person who understood what I was saying.
Its not a comparison to Hardened ward/Blazing shield. Hardened ward is still going to be a great damage shield while Sun shield and its morphs are just going to be a waste of an ability to have on your bar.
You can say Templars have a healing tree but they also have a bad DPS tree (unless your stam) and a Tree that just doesn't know what it is (Is it a DPS tree? or a buff/debuff tree or is it a status effect tree?)
With blazing shield being useless and even more useless when you can crit shields that leaves Templars with only one self buff, which is rune focus.
And If you want to compare self buffs between sorcs/temps here you go:
Templar-
Blazing shield
Rune focus
Sorc-
Ward
Bound armor
lightning form
Defensive rune
Surge
Dark Exchange
I'd also like to point out Templar are supposed to be melee/short range fighters while Sorcs stay away from the target and burst them down without ever getting near them, So shouldn't Templars have more self buffs?
Templar
Blazing Shield: Deals damage
Puncturing Sweep: Heals you for 40% of the damage done.
Vampires Bane: Gain Major Prophecy and decreases enemy movement speed by 40%
Dark Flare / Solar Barrage: Grants Empower.
Total Dark: Heals you, very OP if you use it properly.
Repentance: FREE cast that restores stamina and gives you regen for all your stats.
Purifying Ritual: Cleanses 2 harmful effects and heals you.
Channeled Focus: Increases Armor and Spell Resistance and restores magicka
Lets talk about Passives
Burning Light: 25% chance to cause x magic damage when using Blazing Spear / Blazing Shield / Toppling Charge / Sweep / Javelin
Illuminate: Grants Minor Sorcery (Stacks with Structured Entropy - Major Sorcery)
As for saying Templars are supposed to be melee/short ranged. That's highly untrue based on your playstyle, Templar has the most open choices than any other class.
Saying that you have no shields; Use Healing Ward on low health then heal yourself back to full and enjoy your 25k Shield just from that ability.Edited by Nifty2g on August 2, 2015 2:33PM#MOREORBS1 -
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Again all of this good on paper.
I don't think you know your class very much. Your post should look like this in terms of buffs.bosmern_ESO wrote: »I don't understand the arguing on this. To me it is simple, a change is being introduced to combat Sorcs stacking shields, this change is going to also make the templars shield worse, and considering it is also pretty crap to begin with, especially considering other shields around, such as sorc shield, that is where the complaint is. If the issue is with sorcs stacking shields, why is an already weak class with an already trash shield going to suffer a nerf as well?
Praise the eight that there was at least one person who understood what I was saying.
Its not a comparison to Hardened ward/Blazing shield. Hardened ward is still going to be a great damage shield while Sun shield and its morphs are just going to be a waste of an ability to have on your bar.
You can say Templars have a healing tree but they also have a bad DPS tree (unless your stam) and a Tree that just doesn't know what it is (Is it a DPS tree? or a buff/debuff tree or is it a status effect tree?)
With blazing shield being useless and even more useless when you can crit shields that leaves Templars with only one self buff, which is rune focus.
And If you want to compare self buffs between sorcs/temps here you go:
Templar-
Blazing shield
Rune focus
Sorc-
Ward
Bound armor
lightning form
Defensive rune
Surge
Dark Exchange
I'd also like to point out Templar are supposed to be melee/short range fighters while Sorcs stay away from the target and burst them down without ever getting near them, So shouldn't Templars have more self buffs?
Templar
Blazing Shield: Deals damage
Puncturing Sweep: Heals you for 40% of the damage done.
Vampires Bane: Gain Major Prophecy and decreases enemy movement speed by 40%
Dark Flare / Solar Barrage: Grants Empower.
Total Dark: Heals you, very OP if you use it properly.
Repentance: FREE cast that restores stamina and gives you regen for all your stats.
Purifying Ritual: Cleanses 2 harmful effects and heals you.
Channeled Focus: Increases Armor and Spell Resistance and restores magicka
Lets talk about Passives
Burning Light: 25% chance to cause x magic damage when using Blazing Spear / Blazing Shield / Toppling Charge / Sweep / Javelin
Illuminate: Grants Minor Sorcery (Stacks with Structured Entropy - Major Sorcery)
As for saying Templars are supposed to be melee/short ranged. That's highly untrue based on your playstyle, Templar has the most open choices than any other class.
Saying that you have no shields; Use Healing Ward on low health then heal yourself back to full and enjoy your 25k Shield just from that ability.
Lets see how it is working on current 1.7:
Blazing Shield: now 50% reduced coz Battle Spirit(BS) shield reduction. After expire dealing 50% less damage of absorbed 53% to player-target coz BS player damage reduction. 50% already reduced damage also mitigating by target armor.
Puncturing Sweep: 40% healing recieving based on damage also mitigating by 50% heal reduction coz BS. Double nerf, same as Radiant Glory, i.e. your light attacks will deal more damage than sweep vampiric heal or Glory heal tick in execute mode...
Vampire Bane, useless skill i prefer Reflective Light and this is nice skill indeed, but main part of it is DOT that not working vs damage shields, and 1.7 is all about it.
Dark Flare - Empower not working with channeled skills, and main templar dd skills are channeled. Also Solar Barrage has stuck animation and just uneffective in compare with Spear Shards.
Total Dark - nerf hammered for now http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/201565/revert-eclipse-cap-change/p1
Repentance - good skill for group play but you need corpses for this free cast. And passive regeneration just meh, you will drink pots in serious fight anyway.
Purifying Ritual - indeed on of the best templar skills, but again it is bugged and sometimes on IV version where it should dispel 5 effects, it is not dispelling even 2. If it will work as intended in 1.7 it would be nice.
Channeled Focus is nice and must have for templars in 1.7, but price for this goodness was ruining another more usefull 15% increased healing morph.
And best templar passives are Restoring Spirit, Focused Healing, rest are crap in compare with passives of other classes.
I think i better go out of this theorycrafting.
Edited by Cinbri on August 2, 2015 3:06PM2