Tanking With the LT - Let's Talk About the Unassailable Set Baby

Personofsecrets

Greetings everyone. I was discussing with one of my forum buddies, @QuadroTony , about the Unassailable set. I therefore wanted to make a quick post about the set and draw some awareness to an issue that I hope to be resolved.

So here you have it, the v12 Unassailable set!



The theory behind this set is that it beats out Footman's Fortune because Footman's Fortune gives very severe diminished returns. Big shout out to Paul of the Fear is Failure guild for putting in this testing.

So what is better than extra damage mitigation once you have severe diminished returns? Pretty much anything, but it must conform to having jewelry. Unassailable is a nice option because it is tanky set, with healthy Jewelry, and lets you use the master sword if you use just 4 unassailable pieces.

Here is a problem though folks. If you go out to find what I am fortunate enough to have, you wont find it. For some reason the v12 version of set has been very rare, or even non-existent, since, I believe, patch 1.4. Now you can only find it at v10 from the enemies in your v10 zone.

I'm not exactly sure where v12 Unassailable used to come from as I have gotten conflicting reports, but please post your knowledge about the set.

If we all work together, show our interest in the set, and figure out more about how it drops, then @ZOS_GinaBruno may be able to pass along our input on the set so that it can be restored as a more common item in the game at v12.

Thank you in advance for posting what you know about v12 Unassailable and let me know if you think it is viable for tanking and, possibly, even better than the often used Footman's Fortune.

Personofsecrets

Mursa wrote: »

@Personofsecrets we'll take look at the Akaviri Dragonguard set and if any issues exist they will be covered in a future update.

Hi @Mursa , back in the day you offered the above advice. I honestly don't expect anything to be done about the error made with the relics of rebellion or akaviri dragonguard set that was a result of going to 1.6.

Please, is this issue that I point out with the Unassailable set no longer being found at v12, something that you can look into?

Thank you

UrQuan

Interesting. I've got significantly more than a full set of VR10 Unassailable gear (the stuff seemed to be dropping like candy for me as I was farming dwemer mobs for scrap), and I was just thinking about what a good tanking set it seemed to be, and how I wished it was available at higher levels...

Personofsecrets

UrQuan wrote: »

Interesting. I've got significantly more than a full set of VR10 Unassailable gear (the stuff seemed to be dropping like candy for me as I was farming dwemer mobs for scrap), and I was just thinking about what a good tanking set it seemed to be, and how I wished it was available at higher levels...

It really is strange how it has basically disappeared at higher level.

Akavir_Sentinel

While Unassailable is a nice set, for a sword and board tank you simply cannot beat Footman's Fortune. I use a combination of Footman's Fortune and other sets on my Nord DK to achieve 90% damage mitigation. The Nord passive, plus all of the heavy armor passives, the sword and board passives, the DK passives, in conjunction with the correct sets make for one hell of a tank.

Personofsecrets

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

While Unassailable is a nice set, for a sword and board tank you simply cannot beat Footman's Fortune. I use a combination of Footman's Fortune and other sets on my Nord DK to achieve 90% damage mitigation. The Nord passive, plus all of the heavy armor passives, the sword and board passives, the DK passives, in conjunction with the correct sets make for one hell of a tank.

I actually think that Footman's Fortune gets beat unless facing off with very hard hitting enemies.

blocking with full gear: 1246 dmg taken, 77.7% mitigated
blocking with full gear(+Footman): 1041 dmg taken, 81.4% mitigated

blocking with full gear and absorb magic: 1104 dmg taken, 80.3% mitigated
blocking with full gear(+Footman) and absorb magic: 897 dmg taken, 84.0% mitigated

QuadroTony

id also like to hear why this vr12 set was deleted

mousekime111rwb17_ESO

craglorn delve chests

QuadroTony

mousekime111rwb17_ESO wrote: »

craglorn delve chests

nop, @mousekime111rwb17_ESO only fire/air or martial knowledge set

mousekime111rwb17_ESO

QuadroTony wrote: »

mousekime111rwb17_ESO wrote: »

craglorn delve chests

nop, @mousekime111rwb17_ESO only fire/air or martial knowledge set

huh, I thought that other sets could drop there.

QuadroTony

no @mousekime111rwb17_ESO
Buried Sands dungeon in Craglorn
go and skip[ all mobs
just enter to the room with chest and loot it
it respawn in few minutes again and you can loot it dosen times

onyl 3 sets dropped here

Personofsecrets

hey @QuadroTony

I've been told by multiple sources that it used to come from Hel-Ra

only one out of all those who I have asked about the set have said that it can still drop

QuadroTony

wrong topic

Avenias

What r the parts for the set? Its looking good

stevepdodson_ESO888

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

While Unassailable is a nice set, for a sword and board tank you simply cannot beat Footman's Fortune. I use a combination of Footman's Fortune and other sets on my Nord DK to achieve 90% damage mitigation. The Nord passive, plus all of the heavy armor passives, the sword and board passives, the DK passives, in conjunction with the correct sets make for one hell of a tank.

I actually think that Footman's Fortune gets beat unless facing off with very hard hitting enemies.

blocking with full gear: 1246 dmg taken, 77.7% mitigated
blocking with full gear(+Footman): 1041 dmg taken, 81.4% mitigated

blocking with full gear and absorb magic: 1104 dmg taken, 80.3% mitigated
blocking with full gear(+Footman) and absorb magic: 897 dmg taken, 84.0% mitigated

I'm confused a bit here...as you now seem to making a case that supports using Footmans.
Less dmg taken and higher mitigation.

So which is it? Use Footmans or use Unassailable.
Personally I already use Unassailable with Hist Bark...but that's just me...I'm odd that way.

Personofsecrets

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

While Unassailable is a nice set, for a sword and board tank you simply cannot beat Footman's Fortune. I use a combination of Footman's Fortune and other sets on my Nord DK to achieve 90% damage mitigation. The Nord passive, plus all of the heavy armor passives, the sword and board passives, the DK passives, in conjunction with the correct sets make for one hell of a tank.

I actually think that Footman's Fortune gets beat unless facing off with very hard hitting enemies.

blocking with full gear: 1246 dmg taken, 77.7% mitigated
blocking with full gear(+Footman): 1041 dmg taken, 81.4% mitigated

blocking with full gear and absorb magic: 1104 dmg taken, 80.3% mitigated
blocking with full gear(+Footman) and absorb magic: 897 dmg taken, 84.0% mitigated

I'm confused a bit here...as you now seem to making a case that supports using Footmans.
Less dmg taken and higher mitigation.

So which is it? Use Footmans or use Unassailable.
Personally I already use Unassailable with Hist Bark...but that's just me...I'm odd that way.

It depends the content.

Methodology:

Step 1: Reading the Footman's Fortune 5 piece bonus shows us that the expected return on the bonus is 11 % damage mitigation

Step 2: Recognize the testing that was done in the link I posted about the diminished returns of damage mitigation and see that the actual return of Footman's Fortune is closer to 4 %.

Step 3: Determine if using a set that has a 63 % diminished bonus is the most efficient way to accomplish your goal.

Examples:

You are tanking VDSA and can reduce the incoming attacks, that deal little damage and have no chance of killing you, by a further 4 %.

You are tanking SO and can reduce the Mantikora's attacks, that deal up to 100,000 and have a real chance of two shotting you, by a further 4 %.

Personofsecrets

Avenias wrote: »

What r the parts for the set? Its looking good

2 rings (both with same enchant so no difference), neck, head, chest, leg, shield.

bertenburnyb16_ESO

even if they bring v12 back still doen't really get me excited about this set
especially if v16 is out
how much armor do u lose on gear on the difference between lvls? and it adds 3750 armor (less on v10 set, and only if blocking so after next patch u'll have to release block in between to regen some stam probably) so it adds alot less than that 3750 compared to a v14 (future v16 gearset) and also the enchants, the 2set bonus and such will be all less than a end lvl gearset .... sooooo... ty but no ty

Personofsecrets

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

even if they bring v12 back still doen't really get me excited about this set
especially if v16 is out
how much armor do u lose on gear on the difference between lvls? and it adds 3750 armor (less on v10 set, and only if blocking so after next patch u'll have to release block in between to regen some stam probably) so it adds alot less than that 3750 compared to a v14 (future v16 gearset) and also the enchants, the 2set bonus and such will be all less than a end lvl gearset .... sooooo... ty but no ty

@bertenburnyb16_ESO , Thank you for the reply.

A. There could very well be no new tanking sets that have 3 pieces of jewelry. This could make Unassailable still appealing.

B. Suppose that v16 does give more armor. So what? The diminished returns of damage mitigation could make the armor difference between v12 and v16 a non factor so long as the v12 set has good enough bonuses.

C. What happens during Imperial City doesn't have an impact on the here and now. Maybe nothing we have now will be viable for use after Imperial City, but that has nothing to do with, what could easily be a bug, if the set should still exist at v12.

D. If we get someone such as @ZOS_GinaBruno looking into this issue right now, then it is possible that we see the unassailable set be released in the future at a higher than v12 vet level.

E. Depending on how levels of gear are consolidated once veteran levels go away, it could matter if the consolidated gear is v12 opposed to v10.

Draxys

I would still use footman over that set, the 5 bonus is not that much armor and that amount will not equal more noticeable survivability compared to footman.

Personofsecrets

Draxys wrote: »

I would still use footman over that set, the 5 bonus is not that much armor and that amount will not equal more noticeable survivability compared to footman.

Hey @Draxys , Thanks for the thought.

Obviously the 5 piece bonus of footman is better than the 5 piece bonus of unassailable.

As I write in my post, the best way to run Unassailable may be with 4 pieces plus the masters sword.

Personofsecrets

Giving a quick update.

I can't believe that I found some of these v12 items for sale after making this thread.

ESO customer support hasn't gotten back to me with the exact confirmation that I would like, but one representative initially wrote that the set only drops, max, at v10 now and that is an intended feature.

Teiji

Personofsecrets wrote: »

Giving a quick update.

I can't believe that I found some of these v12 items for sale after making this thread.

ESO customer support hasn't gotten back to me with the exact confirmation that I would like, but one representative initially wrote that the set only drops, max, at v10 now and that is an intended feature.

No idea why they force items down.

If it's to encourage players to do DLC content for jewellery and whatever, cool - but warlock jewellery and now unassailable jewellery has been thrown to the ground and kicked down their to keep it there from many moons before.

I always wondered what it would be like to run a 5/5 heavy armor set with 5/5 warlock, until they forced the droprate down on rings dramatically. Probably in preparation for IC jewellery sets, a year and a bit later.

asteldian

Question.- the full gear and blocking without footmans, I assume that is without unassailable 5 piece? Because if so you would have 6% mitigation extra to consider with unassailable to counter the loss of footmans.
Add in the 8% heals taken and outside of potential one or two shot fights, it would be better as a BoL would heal for more extra than footmans mitigates.
I actually don't use 5 footmans anymore, I use 2 and unassailable rings for extra health and bolster my shield. Works fine in SO

Zsymon

That's really a horrible 5 point set bonus, since armor doesn't matter at all when you're blocking.

Grisemn

Akavir_Sentinel wrote: »

While Unassailable is a nice set, for a sword and board tank you simply cannot beat Footman's Fortune. I use a combination of Footman's Fortune and other sets on my Nord DK to achieve 90% damage mitigation. The Nord passive, plus all of the heavy armor passives, the sword and board passives, the DK passives, in conjunction with the correct sets make for one hell of a tank.

Hey i was reading this topic but this caught my antention, but could you please post what your build is? as 90% sounds intresting. also shouldent mitigaton cap at 50%? but if you have tested it i would like to know about it

asteldian

Zsymon wrote: »

That's really a horrible 5 point set bonus, since armor doesn't matter at all when you're blocking.

Sure armor matters. Pretty sure armor mitigation occurs before blocking. So at cap a 2k damage hit is 1k then base block would reduce it to 500.

Personofsecrets

Zsymon wrote: »

That's really a horrible 5 point set bonus, since armor doesn't matter at all when you're blocking.

It is horrible. 4 pieces is probably the best for this set.

Rune_Relic

I gave mine away.
I found it difficult to sacrifice multiple 2pc +armour sets and sacrifice mitigation when trying to do damage.
I don't sit behind a shield all the time.
So this led to a quick death when the shields dropped, to tackle multiple adds for heavy attacks, to recover the stamina from blocking.
I'd rather have full time armour then part time armour.

CidxLucy

Its not hard to hit the cap of 32k with one skill and all epic or gold gear.
I got all purple and hitting around 31k and the help of 12% mig damage help.

Why would you give up 12% mig damage when you can max out the phys res and get 12%dmg mig?

Personofsecrets

CidxLucy wrote: »

Its not hard to hit the cap of 32k with one skill and all epic or gold gear.
I got all purple and hitting around 31k and the help of 12% mig damage help.

Why would you give up 12% mig damage when you can max out the phys res and get 12%dmg mig?

Hey there @cidxlucy , thank you for the question.

Earlier in the thread I posted some numbers about the footman set. I'll repost them directly below.

blocking with full gear: 1246 dmg taken, 77.7% mitigated
blocking with full gear(+Footman): 1041 dmg taken, 81.4% mitigated

So as you see, because of diminished returns with damage mitigation, the footman 5 piece bonus is only adding around 4% extra damage mitigation, not 12. That is the reason for using a different set which doesn't supply a heavily diminished stat, such as the unassailable set with its healing received bonus.