Collectibles - annoying on EP veteran

remedios17

I know there are much bigger problems in game, but I cannot understand why can't you get collectibles from low-level creatures. I'm in the EP and when I started this (my one and only) char, collectibles were not functioning. By the time they added them to the game, I was already a veteran or so, so I could wave goodbye to all the kwama, nix-hound, netch, shalk, etc. collectible pieces, unless I roll an alt.
Why can't this tiny - but annoying - problem be solved? Since the lack of new content I have been trying to collect all the trophies and I'm not fond of the idea of creating an alt just to grind shalks or so - especially that if I pass them with 5+ levels with no luck of a collectible, there is no hope, except to get another alt! And when I outlevel them, get another! And another! Especially with the horrible drop rate of some of these things, this will be fun.

Moonshadow66

I couldn't agree more. I don't know either how to get these still missing collectibles when we outlevelled a zone, nothing drops there anymore. I had more than 9 characters going through EP, and with my DC character I tried to take my chances, but still I'm missing tons of collectibles.

All I find are the same collectibles over and over again and it's so rare that I find them at all, so I always put them in the bank for my other characters to take them; some of them I even can sell already since ALL my characters have them.
Seems I never can get all these achievements (I only got ONE of them completed, in all these months).

Btw, I have the "Destination" addon installed to see on the map where to look for collectibles (and more), but still no luck.

remedios17

Yeah, I found like 20 chattering skulls already, but on the other hand, I killed like 2000 mudcrabs (not even kidding) and no collectible yet. But I accept it, luck doesn't always come - however, having 0% chance is just annoying.
I managed to get 3 achievements, the dwemer one, the undead and the daedric, since all of those could be grinded in vet zones/coldharbour. But the rest is problematic, especially the chitinous one.
I don't want XP from killing a level 5 nix hound, but if they can drop leather scraps, I don't understand why can't they drop the collectibles aswell.

starkerealm

remedios17 wrote: »

Yeah, I found like 20 chattering skulls already, but on the other hand, I killed like 2000 mudcrabs (not even kidding) and no collectible yet. But I accept it, luck doesn't always come - however, having 0% chance is just annoying.
I managed to get 3 achievements, the dwemer one, the undead and the daedric, since all of those could be grinded in vet zones/coldharbour. But the rest is problematic, especially the chitinous one.
I don't want XP from killing a level 5 nix hound, but if they can drop leather scraps, I don't understand why can't they drop the collectibles aswell.

I have monster hunter unlocked on a character, and haven't completed a single Collectables achievement. Not one.

remedios17

Without grinding, they are pretty much impossible to get. I had to grind for most of the ones I got...

Moonshadow66

I think it would be better if they'd have a drop chance somewhere between the 1st and the 500th kill of the respective mob, so that we get a drop FOR SURE at some point during the 500 kills (or less).

remedios17

That would be amazing!

I don't get why they make it THIS hard (also pretty much impossible for some people) to get them.

AlnilamE

Kwama: darkshade caverns normal and vet.
Shalk: does the collectible also drop from assassin beetles and thunderbugs?
Nix-Hound: that's the big one. Only place with vet-level Nix-Hounds is the slavery stage in DSA (someone reported getting the collectible there)

remedios17

Shalk: it does??? Can someone confirm this?
Yeah I know about the DSA nix hounds but a) you cannot go to DSA alone (unless you are some sort of 2000 CP god), b) imagine how many times you have to do that level for it to drop... good luck finding a group who is willing to do that lol
What about netches? I saw some in Coldharbour, is there any other good place for them maybe? Cause in CH there seem to only be 1-2 every here and there. And ofc they are in Bal Foyen and Stonefalls = not available for EP vets.

JacksonCarter13

Ok. So. Google the information. I can GUARANTEE that every alliance can get every trophy in mostly an easy fashion. There is a great thred in these forums about every single location. DC here have everyne but fleshy symbiont and not going to lie some are rediculous. But its our choice to do these trophies. And MULTIPLE people in your faction have pulled this off so it is doable. Good luck with trophy hunting!
and shalk does come from thunderbugs

remedios17

Emm... I did check that thread out. I did google the information. If you look at the thread you can easily see how lots of the collectibles only have EP starter areas listed, as in: netch - Bal Foyen.
Are you in the EP? Cause if not, you do not know. As a DC veteran ofc you can get all of them easily, because all the EP areas are veteran and you do not outlevel them...

I also mentioned in my first post that I started the game before collectibles even existed and I outleveled several areas before shalk, kwama, etc. got introduced.

And yes, several people in my faction got it - with rolling an alt. Yet again, I mentioned in my starter post that that is the fact that annoys me.

Rinmaethodain

The collectibles drop rate is baffling me.

I have completed every monster hunter achievment, including killing 1000 dwemer constructs. Yet for them and many other monsters it was only one and same collectible item dropping over and over again.

Always the same item, never any other.

remedios17

Can anyone confirm if world bosses drop their respective collectibles? The only ice wraith I could find outside of Cyrodiil is a world boss in Coldharbour...

Platorian

most annoying thing I've found about collectables is you can't put them in your bank...

Turelus

To my understanding Nix-Hound is the only one VR characters can't get as all other enemies spawn in other zones.

Ourorboros

Platorian wrote: »

most annoying thing I've found about collectables is you can't put them in your bank...

Uh....yes you can. I've used my bank to transfer several collectibles from alts to my main.

AlnilamE

remedios17 wrote: »

Can anyone confirm if world bosses drop their respective collectibles? The only ice wraith I could find outside of Cyrodiil is a world boss in Coldharbour...

I can't confirm it but I think they do.

I'm trying to think of where else there are Ice Wraiths that you can farm at Vet level. There's the Frost Monarth Liar in Craglorn, for sure.

Netches: Darkshade Caverns, both normal and vet, though mostly vet.

I wish they'd put some Nix-Hounds in Cyrodiil near the Morrowind gates. That would make sense. They did something similar for DC players by adding Jackals around Belkarth in Craglorn.

Ourorboros

OP, I understand exactly where you are coming from. I ran into a similar problem as a DC vet. For me, it was the Cruel Collar from jackals, with jackals only in Ali'kr and me long over-leveled for that area by the time collectibles were fixed. I did a support ticket with customer service. Lo and behold, jackals were added to Craglorn. I got the Cruel Collar from the first mob I tackled there. I claim no credit for the addition of jackals to Craglorn, surely there were many with a similar complaint. Have you gone to customer support with the issue, particularly with nix-hounds? I agree that having them in DSA is not a working solution for a collectible. If you haven't reported this, it's worth a shot.

I am down to only two collectibles left, but I used several alts to farm creature rich areas that my vet could not. Though you seem disinclined to roll an alt, there are several EP creatures a stones throw from Davon's Watch, so it would not require much leveling to tackle them.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

Here's a thread that lists all the collectables and where to most likely find them.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/129559/collectible-achievement-guide-spoiler-alert

remedios17

I haven't contacted them yet about it, but I recently asked a question about collectibles from support and I ran into such a stupid guy that I lost the will to ask anything from them ever again. I asked the question about bosses dropping collectibles and he said he cannot give me info on game mechanics... then eventually he just said he has no clue.

BTW FYI all, from 1.7 onwards, collectibles won't be bankable (they are now bankable however), so all the EP vets should go and make alts to grind nix hounds and stuff, otherwise we will be stuck forever with no chance to get these missing collectibles. Zos said they would do an 'in-game audit' to make sure everyone can farm everything at any level, but I have my doubts sadly.

@Ourorboros I finally had to roll an alt to get nix-hound, netch, kagouti and others before Aug 31. Not very happy about it, as the general problem still doesn't seem to be solved and now, with the change, things will get worse. But at least my main char will have the collectibles...

remedios17

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

Here's a thread that lists all the collectables and where to most likely find them.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/129559/collectible-achievement-guide-spoiler-alert

Thanks, but that's not the issue. As you can see, some items on the list are not viable for EP veterans.

Netizen_of_Tamriel

Now that trophies are soul bound it's even worse. I didn't snap to the change until it was too late. Please change this policy back to at least the way it was! Making the collectibles soul bound was a terribad idea.... at the very least add a group of nix hounds somewhere in the EP Silver / Gold.

Ourorboros

We support you on this issue, but forum posts are not going to change anything. The 'official' reason for making this change to collectibles was due to high volume of feedback and complaints about the trophy mechanics. So our response on several other similar threads is to start a complaint campaign to try to at least make the collectibles bankable. Maybe if we make enough noise for CS we can get a more reasonable change. BE THE SQUEAKY WHEEL!!!

UrQuan

Ourorboros wrote: »

We support you on this issue, but forum posts are not going to change anything. The 'official' reason for making this change to collectibles was due to high volume of feedback and complaints about the trophy mechanics. So our response on several other similar threads is to start a complaint campaign to try to at least make the collectibles bankable. Maybe if we make enough noise for CS we can get a more reasonable change. BE THE SQUEAKY WHEEL!!!

Quoted for truth. If this change bothers you /feedback it in-game and request a response from CS. When they send you an automated response like this one I got:

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Reply to it insisting on a personalized answer that addresses your concerns. If the answer you get doesn't actually address your concerns, push back and get them to escalate it. Showing them that this change is causing a higher volume of feedback and complaints than they were receiving about collectibles before is the only way that a change will be made.

Furthermore, I consider that collectibles must be bankable.

Maotti

Had Zenimax only let the collectibles stay bankable this would be a non issue!

This company at times.........

likelolwhat

I'd be fine if they just made the drop rate a teensy bit higher. So many mudcrabs... But my main is DC. I can only imagine the pain for EP peeps, especially with the change.

It makes me scared to play alts, too! What if I get a Troll Skull on some midlevel alt? I can't give it to my main anymore!

Blade_07

remedios17 wrote: »

I know there are much bigger problems in game, but I cannot understand why can't you get collectibles from low-level creatures. I'm in the EP and when I started this (my one and only) char, collectibles were not functioning. By the time they added them to the game, I was already a veteran or so, so I could wave goodbye to all the kwama, nix-hound, netch, shalk, etc. collectible pieces, unless I roll an alt.
Why can't this tiny - but annoying - problem be solved? Since the lack of new content I have been trying to collect all the trophies and I'm not fond of the idea of creating an alt just to grind shalks or so - especially that if I pass them with 5+ levels with no luck of a collectible, there is no hope, except to get another alt! And when I outlevel them, get another! And another! Especially with the horrible drop rate of some of these things, this will be fun.

From what I have heard the trophy items cannot be stored in your bank and they are used the second you get them. So, re-rolling a character to get that trophy you missed because you out leveled it because the drop rate on them is fricken stupid silly fu???? up is now worthless! The Fleshy Symbiont has been broken for a damn log time and devs where promptly informed of this bug and they said we would have to wait for it to be fixed with this recent patch. So I leveled a character to be ready to farm the Flesh Atronachs in Malabal Tor so I could get this damn trophy item and finish that section and get the white dye unlocked. But now they have fu???? all that up. Along with my DK tank they have also fu???? up this as well. Atm I cant play this game anymore. This patch has screwed me over in so many ways that I cant recover from this at all.

Moonshadow66

likelolwhat wrote: »

I'd be fine if they just made the drop rate a teensy bit higher. So many mudcrabs... But my main is DC. I can only imagine the pain for EP peeps, especially with the change.

It makes me scared to play alts, too! What if I get a Troll Skull on some midlevel alt? I can't give it to my main anymore!

Yeah.. I gave up hunting for any kind of collectibles, no fishing anymore either. Since we cannot bank the items anymore to eventually pass it along to the main, I don't give a damn anymore. My main is retired and only does writs in Craglorn, but I definitely won't go out fighting anymore with it.

Since the items cannot be banked anymore now, make these achievements AT LEAST accountwide!!!

remedios17

I ended up grinding an alt before 1.7 and I got all the 'problematic' collectibles and put them in my bank and got the achis on my main.
Now vets are just effed if they didn't grind before 1.7...
I will totally send a /feedback in game, thanks for the idea. I did try contacting them before with a question regarding collectibles but they were so unhelpful.
There are some ogrims in Imperial City though, so maybe one less problematic collectible for EP vets. I have no idea if they drop the collectible though.

And I honestly cannot understand the reason behind the change. Fishing is totally different, you can get any fish in any map, I had no trouble with Master Angler, but collectibles are a completely different issue!!!! So why treat them the same way????

starkerealm

remedios17 wrote: »

There are some ogrims in Imperial City though, so maybe one less problematic collectible for EP vets. I have no idea if they drop the collectible though.

Unless they changed it with 1.7, the Ogrims outside of the Hollow City should still drop collectibles for EP vets.

remedios17 wrote: »

And I honestly cannot understand the reason behind the change. Fishing is totally different, you can get any fish in any map, I had no trouble with Master Angler, but collectibles are a completely different issue!!!! So why treat them the same way????

Actually, Master Angler has one really big middle finger to non-Dominion players. You need the cyrodiilic fish... okay, cool, everyone's got access. Let me see, I need three river fish, three lake fish, three foul fish, three ocean fish... wait, ocean fish? Where?

*checks map*

There's only two Ocean spots on the entire map. Both are just north of The Gate of Mem... you know, right in the path of every Dominion player who's not using the transit system...

TheShadowScout

Personally I found the collectibe hunt somewhat annoying... due to my usual luck with RNG. Lately I farmed a couple hundred frost and storm atronarchs in willowgrove... did a collectibe drop for me? Nooo... and after a while, it gets really tenious, killing the same mobs over and over and over again. I hate that!

Wish all collectibles -were- bankable, then they could be used twice - once adding to the collection of whoever found them, then transfered to add to the collection of some other character - but I realize that this does not make much sense, for collections to mean something each character ought to have to collect it. But... can we maybe get a bit of an increased chance? At least for stronger mobs? Trash mob collectibles like chattering skulls one can pick up without even trying, but... stormies for the crackling stone are another matter...

And then I'd really love to see re-finding collectibles be worth more then just having some vendor trash that's hardly woth taking up an inventory slot. Couldn't they add some special collectible collector who might give you something more nifty for extra collectibles then mere gold you drown in at endgame levels anyhow?