And this is why we can't have nice things...

Chaos0720 · July 2015

General question. Not trolling and this isn't even solely in regard to this forum alone, but forums in general. What is the point in having them? I mean we all know that the Internet is full of people who are very opinionated, most of which, myself included, can be really dense at times. That being said, I don't see the point in forums. Yeah I get it. It's a place to discus things with people that have a common interest or to gather information not covered in guides or wiki, but forums are set up with so many rules (because they have to) to go their best to prevent people's feelings from getting hurt. So why is it that you come to forums? And do you get offended by other people? I just want to have a civil discussion about our thoughts on this. There's no right or wrong answer, so there is no need to call someone out for having an opinion.

Tennetty · July 2015

I agree, this is a very negative environment. I really only come on here to get an ESO fix during the week when I can play; it always leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · July 2015

I do it for the information, and to learn from others about things in the game that I have not discovered about the game.. Some of the people are cool, plus I like to be aware of what is going on with the game and sometimes 3rd party sites dont' put the information out until way later..

RazzPitazz · July 2015

Well it's a good place to express your thoughts and feelings about the game. ZOS employees do actually read the forums, so it's a good place to let them know what you think.
I like new ideas from people and helping others flesh these ideas out even if it's all hypothetical, it is still good creative problem solving practice.
I also enjoy helping other players. I don't have answers to everything, but what I do have answers for are questions that I also once had.

Chaos0720 · July 2015

Tennetty wrote: »

I agree, this is a very negative environment. I really only come on here to get an ESO fix during the week when I can play; it always leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

Like I said it's not just here. I don't want to single out eso. But yes, the negativity blows. I just find it silly I guess, that we want a place to give our opinions and receive feedback but then get our feelings hurt when somebody tells us they think we're wrong or they disagree. I'm not above this. I've fallen into the trap more times than I care to think about on both sides of it.

I mean we all know the saying about not being allowed to have opinions on the Internet, although it's a joke, it seems to be so true.

FriedEggSandwich · July 2015

To learn things. Peoples' opinions can be insightful. Also this is where the people who play the game more than I do share their secrets. It's also a good place to find out where your thoughts and opinions on the game stand in the grand scheme of things. How do your thoughts and opinions stack up against the vocal minority? Find out here.

Mitchblue · July 2015

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

I do it for the information, and to learn from others about things in the game that I have not discovered about the game.. Some of the people are cool, plus I like to be aware of what is going on with the game and sometimes 3rd party sites dont' put the information out until way later..

Same. But I also like to repeat stuff, add on's for PS4, so hopefully ZOS will respond with a "yeah, they're coming." Oddly enough I never spend time in gaming forums. There have been some, like WoW, Warhammer, Rift to name a few that I never went to..

Chaos0720 · July 2015

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

I do it for the information, and to learn from others about things in the game that I have not discovered about the game.. Some of the people are cool, plus I like to be aware of what is going on with the game and sometimes 3rd party sites dont' put the information out until way later..

My question to you then would be how do you respond to or deal with the negativity. You have four stars, so you must have had a decent amount of activity here at least.

Psychobunni · July 2015

1- I can access the forum easier than the game most times as of late

2- I am bored in game

3- I do like to debate and even

sometimes

4- Over the course of the last year and half now (?), I have watched most of my in game friends leave :'( for various reasons

5- I feel that a voice needs given to those who have given up on ESO and to fight against the immersion cultists!

6- I still believe ESO can be a great, lasting MMO...we might not always agree on how to get there or what will make it "great"...but we haven't given up

J2JMC · July 2015

I wonder what caused this thread?

OzJohnD · July 2015

Have a free bite ...

Chaos0720 · July 2015

Psychobunni wrote: »

1- I can access the forum easier than the game most times as of late

2- I am bored in game

3- I do like to debate and even sometimes

4- Over the course of the last year and half now (?), I have watched most of my in game friends leave :'( for various reasons

5- I feel that a voice needs given to those who have given up on ESO and to fight against the immersion cultists!

6- I still believe ESO can be a great, lasting MMO...we might not always agree on how to get there or what will make it "great"...but we haven't given up

Number 3 if what I'm respond to because everything else is common sense.

But anyways, don't you feel the debating is hard to do? I mean we have to walk on egg shells not to offend someone or our comments get edited or deleted. And the second part of 3. It's unfortunate that trolling is shamed upon. I know it has to be for the offensive trollers, but it also gets people in trouble who are just trying to make people laugh. If you troll someone else you get in trouble for insulting then. You troll zos or eso you get in trouble for insulting them.

(please keep in mind I'm not debating the validity of the rules, I know they are there for a reason)

Chaos0720 · July 2015

J2JMC wrote: »

I wonder what caused this thread?

Wanting to have Safe place to discuss common issues I see with forums and get other people's opinions as to why they frequent them?

OzJohnD · July 2015

not safe here ...

Chaos0720 · July 2015

OzJohnD wrote: »

Have a free* bite ...

You never fail to make me laugh. Whether intentional or not.

I really like your posts. But I fixed this one for you.

*prices subject to change at any time without prior notification

Chaos0720 · July 2015

OzJohnD wrote: »

not safe here ...

But... I have my safety blanket?

Psychobunni · July 2015

Chaos0720 wrote: »

Psychobunni wrote: »

1- I can access the forum easier than the game most times as of late

2- I am bored in game

3- I do like to debate and even sometimes

4- Over the course of the last year and half now (?), I have watched most of my in game friends leave :'( for various reasons

5- I feel that a voice needs given to those who have given up on ESO and to fight against the immersion cultists!

6- I still believe ESO can be a great, lasting MMO...we might not always agree on how to get there or what will make it "great"...but we haven't given up

Number 3 if what I'm respond to because everything else is common sense.

But anyways, don't you feel the debating is hard to do? I mean we have to walk on egg shells not to offend someone or our comments get edited or deleted. And the second part of 3. It's unfortunate that trolling is shamed upon. I know it has to be for the offensive trollers, but it also gets people in trouble who are just trying to make people laugh. If you troll someone else you get in trouble for insulting then. You troll zos or eso you get in trouble for insulting them.

(please keep in mind I'm not debating the validity of the rules, I know they are there for a reason)

Aye, I agree 100%. 100 and freakin 10%, you just don't know lol. It's rough sometimes, really rough when you see thread after thread of things *you* got your forum hand slapped for previously...and can't even discuss them or bye bye forever. :sigh:

But I do believe in the most simple answer it comes down to a core love and a feeling of vested interest (time and/or money) in ESO's future.

KingKush · July 2015

Not gonna lie, if I had to judge a game off its forum, I would say ESO has the worst playerbase. Lots of Elitist on here. Can't even mention playing on console without someone from PC jumping all over you about purchasing an "inferior" machine.

Chaos0720 · July 2015

KingKush wrote: »

Not gonna lie, if I had to judge a game off its forum, I would say ESO has the worst playerbase. Lots of Elitist on here. Can't even mention playing on console without someone from PC jumping all over you about purchasing an "inferior" machine.

While this is true, it's not exclusive to eso. If you have Xbox your shamed by pc and ps4. If you have ps4,then it's pc and Xbox. Pc sits there happy as pie because they know ps4 and Xbox will never join together lol

Chaos0720 · July 2015

And honestly eso isn't the worst for elitism. I'm going to bring this up in hopes that it doesn't get removed or violate any rules, but if you want to see real bad elitism, you should have seen the destiny forums prior to the release of their last dlc. In a nut shell if you weren't at the level cap you were useless. And if you never played I'll let you in on a secret... Getting to the level Cap was achieved by RNG through raids. An RNG that was completely ridiculous.

Xendyn · July 2015

Communicating in text only form is a bit of an art. Words have to be chosen carefully and it's difficult to have any sort of a "voice" or personality on a forum. I never post on a "hot topic" thread without previewing and rereading what I'm going to post a couple times. Even then, there's not much you can do about others' reading comprehension and critical thinking skills. You're throwing your words out into the wind here and hoping they land where you intended them to.

Not all of us PC players are like that, btw. I feel for you guys with all the communication issues, information issues and the learning curve. I try to help where I can. I agree that the "pc master race" thing can be taken too far, it's meant as a joke most times but yeh, it's gettin' kinda old and worn out. I see us as having many issues in common and if we worked together on them we might get ZOS to change some things.

Dealing with moderation isn't so much What you say as How you say it. Flailing around and cursing and insulting ZOS (or other posters) won't get you very far. A well constructed criticism with an alternative might do better. Shooting from the hip can get you in trouble, sometimes it's better to just walk away. That said, there are just some people on any forums that come across as plain 'ol angry-at-the-world types with a chip on their shoulder. You learn who they are and just pretty much ignore them (oh that guy again...meh) Also remember that a lot of them are only so brave because of Internet Anonymity and wouldn't dare do so in RL where there are consequences such as a broken nose.

Finally, try not to take things personally (I know it's hard sometimes lol) but these folks don't know you, or anyone else on here most likely. If the best they can do is a personal insult, then they obviously don't have anything actually important to say and can be dismissed. If they are derailing your thread repeatedly, use the system in place and report them.

Chaos0720 · July 2015

I feel you about the pc master race thing getting old. I'm on the same boat with the whole console war fanboy armies. Lol.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO · July 2015

Chaos0720 wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

I do it for the information, and to learn from others about things in the game that I have not discovered about the game.. Some of the people are cool, plus I like to be aware of what is going on with the game and sometimes 3rd party sites dont' put the information out until way later..

My question to you then would be how do you respond to or deal with the negativity. You have four stars, so you must have had a decent amount of activity here at least.

I been at the game from the start, early access and all (PC), I really love the game, I have had my moments of doubt as well and I do see alot of the negativity, I have seen many people come and go. I complain too but when I 1st started playing I didn't really rush my levels and finally when I was so getting trashed in PvP I had to work to get to VR14 just so I could survive. I like to grind so I have no problem with Grinding or doing quests.

The game has gotten so much better from launch it is seriously like Night and Day, I new sooner or later they were gonna drop the console and people on console would force ZOS to make the game better, I mean, finally they are gonna fix Shadow Cloak, OMG I have been waiting for that about 1 year 3 months, seriously.

Some things ticket me off but I try to take it in stride, even that they are going to up the VR level to VR16, I spent alot of money on my current sets but after the Justice system dropped I have stolen way over 1.5 million in gold now and after the last ESO live went on I logged in, took out like 200K and went shopping to get enough Dreugh wax, Tempering alloys, Rosin and Kuta (for enchants) for my main Character so he can get a Legendary set once he gets to VR16. I will just pass the VR14 legendary stuff to my alt's through the bank.

I am here for the Long haul and will continue playing until, most likely, they shut the game down.

VictoriaRachel · July 2015

There are some threads that simply breed circular arguments, spiraling negativity and 'debate' that is about the players rather than the topic. If it is something I feel passionate about and want to add my view in the hopes of it reaching ZOS then I post my piece in that thread and then do not return.

However, there is an awful lot of the forum that is not like that. It is just about people trying to find their way through the game looking for help, looking for conversation or looking for discussion about a topic rather than the players. Those threads are why I come here, they are what I enjoy getting involved in.

So yes there is negativity but if you simply do not engage with those spreading it you can still find this a very enjoyable place to be.

RazzPitazz · July 2015

Chaos0720 wrote: »

And honestly eso isn't the worst for elitism. I'm going to bring this up in hopes that it doesn't get removed or violate any rules, but if you want to see real bad elitism, you should have seen the destiny forums prior to the release of their last dlc. In a nut shell if you weren't at the level cap you were useless. And if you never played I'll let you in on a secret... Getting to the level Cap was achieved by RNG through raids. An RNG that was completely ridiculous.

I've got one better. Bungie forums from Halo 3. SMH everywhere. There were no decent conversations, no decent players everyone was either an elitist or wanted to be. This forum truly just has a bunch of bitter souls from PC launch day that legitimatley want the game to be what it was supposed to be.
Then... the consoul shriven arrived.

Chaos0720 · July 2015

RazzPitazz wrote: »

Chaos0720 wrote: »

And honestly eso isn't the worst for elitism. I'm going to bring this up in hopes that it doesn't get removed or violate any rules, but if you want to see real bad elitism, you should have seen the destiny forums prior to the release of their last dlc. In a nut shell if you weren't at the level cap you were useless. And if you never played I'll let you in on a secret... Getting to the level Cap was achieved by RNG through raids. An RNG that was completely ridiculous.

I've got one better. Bungie forums from Halo 3. SMH everywhere. There were no decent conversations, no decent players everyone was either an elitist or wanted to be. This forum truly just has a bunch of bitter souls from PC launch day that legitimatley want the game to be what it was supposed to be.
Then... the consoul shriven arrived.

Yeah I missed that one. Never had an Xbox, so I didn't jump on the Bungie bandwagon until destiny existed. Lol

Tonnopesce · July 2015

RazzPitazz wrote: »

Chaos0720 wrote: »

And honestly eso isn't the worst for elitism. I'm going to bring this up in hopes that it doesn't get removed or violate any rules, but if you want to see real bad elitism, you should have seen the destiny forums prior to the release of their last dlc. In a nut shell if you weren't at the level cap you were useless. And if you never played I'll let you in on a secret... Getting to the level Cap was achieved by RNG through raids. An RNG that was completely ridiculous.

I've got one better. Bungie forums from Halo 3. SMH everywhere. There were no decent conversations, no decent players everyone was either an elitist or wanted to be. This forum truly just has a bunch of bitter souls from PC launch day that legitimatley want the game to be what it was supposed to be.
Then... the consoul shriven arrived.

Who?

Chaos0720 · July 2015

Console players.. New posters are soul shriven... He made a funny.. Console... Con soul.... Consoul

Chaos0720 · July 2015

Although it isn't hard to rank up on here. I'm already at three stars

tengri · July 2015

KingKush wrote: »

Not gonna lie, if I had to judge a game off its forum, I would say ESO has the worst playerbase. Lots of Elitist on here. Can't even mention playing on console without someone from PC jumping all over you about purchasing an "inferior" machine.

Well, yes, there is a certain.... "resentment" against console over here by the old guard but frankly a lot of us feel we were abused as year long paying beta testers for... the console version.

There were some updates, bugfixes along the way for PC but then nothing really new for over half a year and not even seriously bug fixing anymore since 1.6 - Z even admitted on here that they do not have resources/manpower to continue driving on all fronts and decided to focus solely on console only instead (that was somewhere around 1.6).

Then they announced that a monthly subscription is no longer required (the real reason for this was never openly admitted... however, we all know that console players are generally not used and willing to pay a monthly extra for a single game... so, again, one main reason for all that was most likely... console - again).
ESO from now on is to be financed by releasing repainted/reskined mounts and costumes (most of which were already in the game one way or the other) by means of the Clown Store; and frankly speaking that was a really big slap into the face of their involuntary beta testers. Who payed over 150USD extra for the "privilege" to play and foremost test the game for a year - and all the benefits from that now went to console for free (as in no more monthly subscription).

Of course everyone knows that this is not the console player's fault directly - however... we can not really bite the nose off of the real culprit (Z) on here so the next best thing as target for (at least some of) our resentment is the console crowd.
Fair? Most certainly not.
But life is not fair... and Z told that lesson to PC players big time over the last year.

RazzPitazz · July 2015

tengri wrote: »

KingKush wrote: »

Not gonna lie, if I had to judge a game off its forum, I would say ESO has the worst playerbase. Lots of Elitist on here. Can't even mention playing on console without someone from PC jumping all over you about purchasing an "inferior" machine.

Well, yes, there is a certain.... "resentment" against console over here by the old guard but frankly a lot of us feel we were abused as year long paying beta testers for... the console version.

There were some updates, bugfixes along the way for PC but then nothing really new for over half a year and not even seriously bug fixing anymore since 1.6 - Z even admitted on here that they do not have resources/manpower to continue driving on all fronts and decided to focus solely on console only instead (that was somewhere around 1.6).

Then they announced that a monthly subscription is no longer required (the real reason for this was never openly admitted... however, we all know that console players are generally not used and willing to pay a monthly extra for a single game... so, again, one main reason for all that was most likely... console - again).
ESO from now on is to be financed by releasing repainted/reskined mounts and costumes (most of which were already in the game one way or the other) by means of the Clown Store; and frankly speaking that was a really big slap into the face of their involuntary beta testers. Who payed over 150USD extra for the "privilege" to play and foremost test the game for a year - and all the benefits from that now went to console for free (as in no more monthly subscription).

Of course everyone knows that this is not the console player's fault directly - however... we can not really bite the nose off of the real culprit (Z) on here so the next best thing as target for (at least some of) our resentment is the console crowd.
Fair? Most certainly not.
But life is not fair... and Z told that lesson to PC players big time over the last year.

Yea I will have to second this one. Any console players that are willing to take a trip down memory lane should check iut some of the oldest forum posts and see just hown different the forums really are. We put all of our Faith and time into these guys only to feel like used harlots to some degree. Still love the game, but the burn is still fresh.