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why in every group dungeon I do, it always ends in DK/2H soloing everything and outlasting everybody
why in every group dungeon I do, it always ends in DK/2H soloing everything and outlasting everybody?
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it seems kind of wrong that they seem to be able to self-sustain and solo what should be "group dungeons"...
guess i know what i need to respec...0 -
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✭DK sustain is a little over the top. Really, what's the downside of being a DK? I can call out negatives from every other class but this one.3 -
Tolmos✭✭✭✭Why is the group constantly being put in a position where only the DK is the last standing? What exactly is the healer doing during all this? 0_oEdited by Tolmos on July 7, 2015 3:30AM0 -
I'm tried NB/Bow, there's just no way to heal myself. i get three shots off and nuked.0
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Why is the group constantly being put in a position where only the DK is the last standing? What exactly is the healer doing during all this? 0_o
healing, but gets nuked.Because we probably transferred from PC and actually know what we're doing.
my friend just started playing on PS4, went with DK/2H and solo's group dungeons...does it really take someone to know what they're doing? ...please build me a viable NB/Bow line that's self sustaining, i'm sure skill plays a huge part there...0 -
Drasn✭✭✭✭throw 2H and your offbar and use rally to heal yourself. or you know make sure your tank is actually a tank and your healer is actually a healer.4 -
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thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »throw 2H and your offbar and use rally to heal yourself. or you know make sure your tank is actually a tank and your healer is actually a healer.
thanks for the advice, I do already know this. what i'm pointing out is why DK/2H can do everything and other builds cant?0 -
dlepi24✭✭✭✭GrieverXVII wrote: »Why is the group constantly being put in a position where only the DK is the last standing? What exactly is the healer doing during all this? 0_o
healing, but gets nuked.Because we probably transferred from PC and actually know what we're doing.
my friend just started playing on PS4, went with DK/2H and solo's group dungeons...does it really take someone to know what they're doing? ...please build me a viable NB/Bow line that's self sustaining, i'm sure skill plays a huge part there...
I imagine that you're probably just standing there in some mismatched armor with a bow trying to kill a bunch of adds and all you're doing is single target damage. You're probably playing in first person and don't realize you're being hit from behind. You probably aren't taking advantage of evasion/mirage, quick cloak, shades, power extraction, fear, soul tether or cloak. Also, the fact that you're asking why the tank is outlasting everyone shows your skill/knowledge of the game. But please, tell me how I'm wrong again.
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dlepi24✭✭✭✭Elijah_Crow wrote: »DK sustain is a little over the top. Really, what's the downside of being a DK? I can call out negatives from every other class but this one.
Easy...no getting away from anything
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Chaos0720✭✭✭I would also like to add that blaming the nightblade is laughable. I play a nightblade and I sustain myself just fine. I wasn't a PC player. You're problem is that you want to use a bow and then wonder why you can't take a hit. Whether unbalanced or not, a topic for a different thread, the passive abilities for weapons complement their typical use. It's kind of common sense tbh.0
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I would also like to add that blaming the nightblade is laughable. I play a nightblade and I sustain myself just fine. I wasn't a PC player. You're problem is that you want to use a bow and then wonder why you can't take a hit. Whether unbalanced or not, a topic for a different thread, the passive abilities for weapons complement their typical use. It's kind of common sense tbh.
should a game not let you be viable in any which way you choose to play? or are you telling me we should all be the same meta builds? how is this fun to have to give into a certain build just to survive.
there is hardly diversity from what i see, and i've played through games like Dark Souls at SL1 naked with a single longsword, before you go criticizing my gaming skills, i'm simply pointing out that I think DK/2H is way too efficient over other builds in comparisons.1 -
Halke✭✭✭GrieverXVII wrote: »Why is the group constantly being put in a position where only the DK is the last standing? What exactly is the healer doing during all this? 0_o
healing, but gets nuked.Because we probably transferred from PC and actually know what we're doing.
my friend just started playing on PS4, went with DK/2H and solo's group dungeons...does it really take someone to know what they're doing? ...please build me a viable NB/Bow line that's self sustaining, i'm sure skill plays a huge part there...
I imagine that you're probably just standing there in some mismatched armor with a bow trying to kill a bunch of adds and all you're doing is single target damage. You're probably playing in first person and don't realize you're being hit from behind. You probably aren't taking advantage of evasion/mirage, quick cloak, shades, power extraction, fear, soul tether or cloak. Also, the fact that you're asking why the tank is outlasting everyone shows your skill/knowledge of the game. But please, tell me how I'm wrong again.
Who said the DK was a tank? He said nothing about a sword and board, just mentioned two-hander....1 -
GrieverXVII wrote: »Why is the group constantly being put in a position where only the DK is the last standing? What exactly is the healer doing during all this? 0_o
healing, but gets nuked.Because we probably transferred from PC and actually know what we're doing.
my friend just started playing on PS4, went with DK/2H and solo's group dungeons...does it really take someone to know what they're doing? ...please build me a viable NB/Bow line that's self sustaining, i'm sure skill plays a huge part there...
I imagine that you're probably just standing there in some mismatched armor with a bow trying to kill a bunch of adds and all you're doing is single target damage. You're probably playing in first person and don't realize you're being hit from behind. You probably aren't taking advantage of evasion/mirage, quick cloak, shades, power extraction, fear, soul tether or cloak. Also, the fact that you're asking why the tank is outlasting everyone shows your skill/knowledge of the game. But please, tell me how I'm wrong again.
Who said the DK was a tank? He said nothing about a sword and board, just mentioned two-hander....
yea i'm pretty curious about this myself.0 -
GrieverXVII wrote: »I would also like to add that blaming the nightblade is laughable. I play a nightblade and I sustain myself just fine. I wasn't a PC player. You're problem is that you want to use a bow and then wonder why you can't take a hit. Whether unbalanced or not, a topic for a different thread, the passive abilities for weapons complement their typical use. It's kind of common sense tbh.
should a game not let you be viable in any which way you choose to play? or are you telling me we should all be the same meta builds? how is this fun to have to give into a certain build just to survive.
there is hardly diversity from what i see, and i've played through games like Dark Souls at SL1 naked with a single longsword, before you go criticizing my gaming skills, i'm simply pointing out that I think DK/2H is way too efficient over other builds in comparisons.
I'm not saying that at all. You can't ask to be special and then cry because you're not the same as someone else. If you have a health problem there are plenty of food and potions to help.
so...you're telling me there's a way to complete vet group dungeons with a bow only. explain, pls.0 -
traigusb14_ESO2✭✭✭✭✭Mostly it is all DKs on Xbox because my Templar is already V14, having soloed it all when VR was harder lol.
I'm using a DK with resto and mostly light armor (chest and shoulders heavy) and I'm soloing. A guildie is doing non-pet sorc and doing ok on pulbic dungeons (except some bosses in really small rooms).
There are lot of everything in heavy armor... well because people played skyrim and see there is no weight issue with heavy.. and have no idea how armor works in ESO.
I see a lot of AOE spamming that often doesn't work every time and they die. I see no blocking, dodging or bashing mostly.
When I'm doing publics for bosses and achievements I sometimes heal a bunch of DPS fools flailing around. It saves me time. Lots of people at VR 3 who have no idea what they are doing and are spamming their way to death every 3-4 groups.
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Halke✭✭✭All that said:
OP, if right now you are mainly leveling/doing solo content with the sporadic dungeon, you might want to try a split build on your NB. It helps a lot with keeping you alive. I used to run Funnel, Reapers, Snipe, Poison, and the bow AoE on my main bar and it seemed to work out alright. Cloak can help a lot getting out of a bad place as well, just don't rely on it to get away from other players.0 -
Chaos0720✭✭✭GrieverXVII wrote: »GrieverXVII wrote: »I would also like to add that blaming the nightblade is laughable. I play a nightblade and I sustain myself just fine. I wasn't a PC player. You're problem is that you want to use a bow and then wonder why you can't take a hit. Whether unbalanced or not, a topic for a different thread, the passive abilities for weapons complement their typical use. It's kind of common sense tbh.
should a game not let you be viable in any which way you choose to play? or are you telling me we should all be the same meta builds? how is this fun to have to give into a certain build just to survive.
there is hardly diversity from what i see, and i've played through games like Dark Souls at SL1 naked with a single longsword, before you go criticizing my gaming skills, i'm simply pointing out that I think DK/2H is way too efficient over other builds in comparisons.
I'm not saying that at all. You can't ask to be special and then cry because you're not the same as someone else. If you have a health problem there are plenty of food and potions to help.
so...you're telling me there's a way to complete vet group dungeons with a bow only. explain, pls.
I can't. I'm sure someone else can, but I don't like the bow so I don't use it.0 -
traigusb14_ESO2 wrote: »Mostly it is all DKs on Xbox because my Templar is already V14, having soloed it all when VR was harder lol.
I'm using a DK with resto and mostly light armor (chest and shoulders heavy) and I'm soloing. A guildie is doing non-pet sorc and doing ok on pulbic dungeons (except some bosses in really small rooms).
There are lot of everything in heavy armor... well because people played skyrim and see there is no weight issue with heavy.. and have no idea how armor works in ESO.
I see a lot of AOE spamming that often doesn't work every time and they die. I see no blocking, dodging or bashing mostly.
When I'm doing publics for bosses and achievements I sometimes heal a bunch of DPS fools flailing around. It saves me time. Lots of people at VR 3 who have no idea what they are doing and are spamming their way to death every 3-4 groups.
nice, that's where i've tried my best. I make sure I take my time to assess the group, the mobs, and priortize. I roll when needed, block and swap weps as needed. But I just can't seem to stay alive like a DK/2H. The worst part is i see myself doing all this hard work like rolling, timed blocks, stamina management, and wep swaps...then i look at DK/2H strat and all they're doing is tanking while spamming things like brawler...hardly used any skillful tactics I need to pull off every single battle. it's very depressing...0 -
All that said:
OP, if right now you are mainly leveling/doing solo content with the sporadic dungeon, you might want to try a split build on your NB. It helps a lot with keeping you alive. I used to run Funnel, Reapers, Snipe, Poison, and the bow AoE on my main bar and it seemed to work out alright. Cloak can help a lot getting out of a bad place as well, just don't rely on it to get away from other players.
Thanks for the advice, noted.
though this is kind of what i'm trying to point out. why must I have to split my bar up just to be viable when i see a DK steamrolling everything with a single 2H. seems wrong.0 -
Halke✭✭✭GrieverXVII wrote: »Why is the group constantly being put in a position where only the DK is the last standing? What exactly is the healer doing during all this? 0_o
healing, but gets nuked.Because we probably transferred from PC and actually know what we're doing.
my friend just started playing on PS4, went with DK/2H and solo's group dungeons...does it really take someone to know what they're doing? ...please build me a viable NB/Bow line that's self sustaining, i'm sure skill plays a huge part there...
I imagine that you're probably just standing there in some mismatched armor with a bow trying to kill a bunch of adds and all you're doing is single target damage. You're probably playing in first person and don't realize you're being hit from behind. You probably aren't taking advantage of evasion/mirage, quick cloak, shades, power extraction, fear, soul tether or cloak. Also, the fact that you're asking why the tank is outlasting everyone shows your skill/knowledge of the game. But please, tell me how I'm wrong again.
Who said the DK was a tank? He said nothing about a sword and board, just mentioned two-hander....
You're right. I assumed. Would you like a cookie? Either way, we all know the DK is designed to handle more enemies than a nightblade. However, since you can do whatever you'd like in the game, you can make a nightblade do the exact same thing. His problem is that his build is probably poorly designed and isn't for that style of gameplay. He already stated he's using a bow in a group dungeon. Unless he's using arrow spray or single targeting a boss, he's not doing much damage and can expect to die. He's probably not weaving attacks to give his stamina a quick break so he doesn't last 5 seconds and he's probably not eating/drinking buffs. He's probably a new player who just needs to educate himself rather than crying about how nightblade isn't viable. There are plenty of people who would disagree with that. The beauty of the console release is they have a year+ of information about the game already at their fingertips. Instead of sitting here discussing why nightblade isn't good, he could've been watching a nightblade build video.GrieverXVII wrote: »GrieverXVII wrote: »Why is the group constantly being put in a position where only the DK is the last standing? What exactly is the healer doing during all this? 0_o
healing, but gets nuked.Because we probably transferred from PC and actually know what we're doing.
my friend just started playing on PS4, went with DK/2H and solo's group dungeons...does it really take someone to know what they're doing? ...please build me a viable NB/Bow line that's self sustaining, i'm sure skill plays a huge part there...
I imagine that you're probably just standing there in some mismatched armor with a bow trying to kill a bunch of adds and all you're doing is single target damage. You're probably playing in first person and don't realize you're being hit from behind. You probably aren't taking advantage of evasion/mirage, quick cloak, shades, power extraction, fear, soul tether or cloak. Also, the fact that you're asking why the tank is outlasting everyone shows your skill/knowledge of the game. But please, tell me how I'm wrong again.
Who said the DK was a tank? He said nothing about a sword and board, just mentioned two-hander....
yea i'm pretty curious about this myself.
On a scale of 1-10, how curious are you?
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Halke✭✭✭GrieverXVII wrote: »All that said:
OP, if right now you are mainly leveling/doing solo content with the sporadic dungeon, you might want to try a split build on your NB. It helps a lot with keeping you alive. I used to run Funnel, Reapers, Snipe, Poison, and the bow AoE on my main bar and it seemed to work out alright. Cloak can help a lot getting out of a bad place as well, just don't rely on it to get away from other players.
Thanks for the advice, noted.
though this is kind of what i'm trying to point out. why must I have to split my bar up just to be viable when i see a DK steamrolling everything with a single 2H. seems wrong.
Eh, that isn't so much the fault of the class as the weapon. Bow needs a bit of love right now.0 -
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✭Because you're DK. I leveled my first DK char at console launch and I soloed nearly every single public group dungeon, killed all bosses and did group challenges too. Its unbelievable strong class for PVE and PVP too.Edited by Sausage on July 7, 2015 4:52AM0 -
J2JMC✭✭✭✭✭Ah this thread was a good read. A nice break from all the serious talk on the forums. Appreciate the laughs guys.
I suppose I'll at least try to be helpful. The easiest way for you to stay alive as a nightblade is slap on a 2h and use brawler/rally/and the ult in the shadow tree whose name I forget at the moment. I solo a lot so just these 3 skills with 2 pieces of heavy and 5 medium significantly increased my survivability at the cost of some dps. I'm actually going to be sad when I hit 50 with 2h and have to level up my bow since I already leveled up the dual wield skill line. I'm level 44 with the bow so it shouldn't be too bad, gonna have to play smarter though
Went on a bit of a tangent but the point was, 2h turns solo PVE into solo PVFree. Vet 2 right now. Can do most non-instanced content solo. Every now and then a world boss or dolmen do require an extra person.Knee Jerk, L2P, Obtuse, Casual, Entitled, All The Best, unnecessary mention of CoD
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Chaos0720✭✭✭Ah this thread was a good read. A nice break from all the serious talk on the forums. Appreciate the laughs guys.
I suppose I'll at least try to be helpful. The easiest way for you to stay alive as a nightblade is slap on a 2h and use brawler/rally/and the ult in the shadow tree whose name I forget at the moment. I solo a lot so just these 3 skills with 2 pieces of heavy and 5 medium significantly increased my survivability at the cost of some dps. I'm actually going to be sad when I hit 50 with 2h and have to level up my bow since I already leveled up the dual wield skill line. I'm level 44 with the bow so it shouldn't be too bad, gonna have to play smarter though
Went on a bit of a tangent but the point was, 2h turns solo PVE into solo PVFree. Vet 2 right now. Can do most non-instanced content solo. Every now and then a world boss or dolmen do require an extra person.
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✭Stop creating multiple threads about how you can't solo dungeons with a BOW. A BOW. Do you not understand? A bow is meant to keep range and strike from a distance. IT'S NOT a Tank build. Common Sense. And no, not every build should be able to solo stuff. Else choices wouldn't even matter. You choose to play a tanky build. Or not. If you want to solo stuff check out builds that are meant to do that, Magicka Nightplade and also Stamina Nightblade have proven to be the best Classes when soloing content. (At this point I think Stamina Nightblade (DW/2H) has been the only build to solo DSA)Xantaria - Lead of Chimaira
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