Veteran leveling and content is disgusting!

Rex-Umbra

Really have enjoyed playing the game though the DaggerFall story line, I really enjoy the phasing technology and the fact you build relationships and attachments to the NPC characters throughout the different zones on your journey to defeat Molag Bal. Well once that is over I need to complete 14-16 more levels before I can actually play end game? I have grinded though the first Dominion Zone and hated it. I don't enjoy their story line or the fact that I am fighting skevers again. I actually hate the idea of doing the other faction story lines if I wanted to do them I would make a alt character. My character is loyal to DaggerFall and helping the other factions actually pisses me off a bit, like me and King Emeric are tight we went though a lot together why am I helping his opponents? So any way after grinding though the first AD zone I am like 20% closer to Veteran rank 2... Like WTF is this? I enjoy the PvP in this game a lot but I really can't see myself grinding though the other factions story lines to maybe get half way to the last veteran rank what ever that is.

I like the champion point thing but maybe it should either be capped at like 300 points or massive diminishing returns in the perks. Veteran ranks should be removed and the Max level should be based on new content not including going though the other factions zones. Like I don't mind going though their zones to see it but it should be like a extra thing if you want to and you should be able to reach max level though real content.

DayedPSN

Agree the way it's set up right now I see many new console players quitting because the vet levels take ages to get up and all there is to do is quests or grinding which sucks and can burn you out quick

Enodoc

Yes, you have essentially hit the nail on the head with the current problem with VRs and one of the reasons they are being removed. Cadwell's alternate timeline zones should be an option for endgame, not forced upon you in order to reach "Endgame Part 2" (Craglorn and Trials).

ADarklore

This is part of the storyline and one of the best features IMO... you need to unite Tamriel by helping all three Alliances, which I think is an awesome game design and all players get to explore all the Alliances without having to create a new character. If you think the grind in ESO is bad, you should try other MMOs like DCUO where you don't get 'quests' after level 30, instead you're stuck with repeating the same exact mission over and over and over again just to gain gear to raise your Combat Rating (replaced levels when you reached level 30), only so you can repeat the process with the next DLC. Yeah, ESO is heads above anything DCUO had to offer IMO. For me, the grind here is fun, there... not so much.

Darkstorne

Yep, I'd rather we have only the Champion system (tweaked for balance), no Veteran ranks, and Champion points can be gained at any level. That way I can create alts for exploring the other faction's zones (I love making alts ) but still earn champion points with those alts as they're levelling which also benefit my main character and any future alts.

Kind of like SWTOR's legacy system I guess?

nebuloss124

This is a mmorpg. grinding and questing are what its all about. maybe this game isn't for you. endgame isnt handed to you. and leveling to v1 takes like 3 days played time. if thats all it took to get to max then there would be thousands of people crowding craglorn and making it ***.

essentially the vr levels take away the people that arnt commited to the game and most importantly trolls. i encountered so many trolls in my 1-50 grind. sometimes people would make it impossible to do a quest because some 13 year old would sit on top of a spawn and kill it every time for 5 horus straight. then when he was done another would show up almost right away. only vr 3 right now but the people ive met in the cadwells silver quest are very nice and would rather help then to hinder.

Molag_Crow

What? I love all of the stories, including other faction's stories.

Rinmaethodain

You can go straight into endgame craglorn and trials just as soon as you hit VR1

Silver and gold is optional.

You already have access to all dungeons by teleporting to them from map.

Just because you dont like gaining exp doesnt mean everyone else who like it should be stripped out of their earned lvls.

The problem might be not the VR themselfs but the fact its so easy to lvl up from 1 to 50. People got used to it and now they feel like they deserve a lvl up every 30 minutes.

Maybe if lvls from 1 to 50 would require more exp to lvl up, people would understand that VRs arent that hard to obtain.

Not to mention that im pretty confident that if veteran ranks were replaced by lvls 51-63, and they would continue exp curve from lvl1 to 50, in the end it would take more than 850k exp (that is going to be required in newest major patch) to obtain last VRs.

LariahHunding

This and the lag in Craglorn, have cause more people to quit than anything.

Imagine have to take you fourth or fifth character through it.

RobDaCool

It's more a chore then the FRS grind that Star Wars Galaxies had lol

Someone tell ZOS that games are supposed to be fun :P

Divinius

I personally love doing Cadwell's Silver and Gold as well, and would be very upset if they were removed from the game.

However, I totally understand why many people hate feeling forced to level up via those zones and quests, and wholeheartedly agree that they shouldn't be the only really viable option for leveling the VR ranks.

I also think it's very cute how many people still think that the VR levels are going to be removed...

Rinmaethodain

Its a chore only if you force yourself to do it. You decide you want to make an alt. You decide you feel like you absolutely MUST be max lvl.

Both of above are wrong. No one forces you to make an alt and absolutely bring it to top lvl. Noone forces you to grind to max lvl just to be max lvl.

There are already means in game to reach top VR without repeating content. If you choose to ignore them you are only to thank yourself for that.

And to those fixated about "loyalty to home faction". When you do other faction storyline quests you can sabotage your enemies! In DC i think you could decide if you want them to obtain some kind of army and make them stronger or destroy that army. There was similar thing related to navy fleet. They would ask you choose something that would make their waters safer from enemies or dont do it. Not to mention situations where your own faction is just wrong and does terrible things to other people. There are things that cant be justified with "faction loyalty".

I do agree, that players should obtain access to both silver and gold (not silver unlocks gold). This way they have access everywhere but they should keep in mind if they go on VR1 to last zone of caldwell gold they will get owned by VR10 mobs (and probably would run to forums crying that they want everything nerfed)

Rinmaethodain

Divinius wrote: »

I personally love doing Cadwell's Silver and Gold as well, and would be very upset if they were removed from the game.

However, I totally understand why many people hate feeling forced to level up via those zones and quests, and wholeheartedly agree that they shouldn't be the only really viable option for leveling the VR ranks.

I also think it's very cute how many people still think that the VR levels are going to be removed...

I would love to see patch notes like those someday:

Veteran levels are going to be removed from game. From now on, Veteran ranks from 1 to 16 are no longer veteran and will be called normal 'regular lvls' lvls. Upon reaching lvl 49, former VR1 will become lvl50 and VR16 will be lvl65

Everyone happy : D People have their own lvls and the lvls are no longer called veteran (which seems to tick everyone off because they are jelly other people are being called veterans while they are not : P )

ADarklore

RobDaCool wrote: »

It's more a chore then the FRS grind that Star Wars Galaxies had lol

Someone tell ZOS that games are supposed to be fun :P

Most people think ESO IS fun, only a small number doesn't. They will work on the system over time, as indicated in ESO Live, now that consoles have launched they can begin working on something other than preparing for console launch. Most MMOs have undergone massive changes over time, and I expect ESO will do the same... look how 1.6 was a massive overhaul, hopefully nothing so drastic takes place again, but smaller tweaks and changes are welcome.

But like I said in my earlier post, there are FAR worse grinds in other MMOs out there, this game, so far to me, has not felt anything like a grind.

Long term PC players need to accept that this game truly didn't 'launch' until console launch, and therefore anything promised or mentioned prior should be let go and focus instead, from this point forward, on what they are saying now.

Sithisvoid

The only thing I like about it is the skill points.

Sausage

There has been talk about catch-up system but I think it isnt even started so probably 6-12 month away at least. Also Veteran Ranks are still being removed.

Callous2208

Although I will admit getting burnt out and straying away at times. I honestly enjoyed doing gold and silver. Every game has a way you level, this just happens to be eso's. I think the series has always been about questing and story so this fits. I never saw it as I was "done" with the story at 50, just a third of the way through. Everyone is different but I don't get why anyone wouldn't want to see that content on their main. Why rush to endgame without experiencing the full game?

Jennifur_Vultee

I like Cadwell's Silver and Gold though I detest the Daggerfall zones stories...I'm so over killing werewolves and zombies...really lazy, awful quests that are copy and pasted with new NPCs to dress them up. I like the Veteran Rank system, it gives a sense of progression as you level through the zones. I never saw the 1 million exp required for a Veteran level as a grind like as some people do...if you do the quests you will level up around the end of the zone...its that simple. If you choose to ignore the zones quests and grind you way through the mobs I guess I could see how that's a long boring grind...but that's your choice.

On the other hand I hate the Champion Point system, I have a VR14 character as does my questing partner and we both agree end game Champion Point system feels like we're forced to grind for the first time in ESO gaining no progress and the Champion points stat increase is pathetic. Larz, my questing partner, doesn't even spend her champion points until she gets like 10-20 because as she put it, "I just don't see the point in gaining .01% in some stat". The Champion system is demoralizing with no real progress, I have 150 points almost and see no real difference in my performance.


As far as the leaders go I liked Queen Ayrenn of the Dominion, she rocks, I like King Jorunn of the Pact. Emerick was a wishy washy pale comparison to the other two...he needs one of the others to relive him of his head and take his territory. Almost anyone could do a better job running the Daggerfall Covenant than him and clean up the festering mess of werewolves and undead he's allow to grow unchecked.

ThePonzzz

lol @ "it takes ages" comment. Maybe I'm not a typical MMO player, but I think even a year to get to end game is too quick.

Jando

Good news. ZoS is listening. Over a year ago they decided to remove veteran ranks and replace them with the Champion System. And that's why they are raising the level cap to Veteran Rank 16.

hmmm..huh?

lathbury

Divinius wrote: »

I personally love doing Cadwell's Silver and Gold as well, and would be very upset if they were removed from the game.

However, I totally understand why many people hate feeling forced to level up via those zones and quests, and wholeheartedly agree that they shouldn't be the only really viable option for leveling the VR ranks.

I also think it's very cute how many people still think that the VR levels are going to be removed...

agree with everything you said accept the last part i think champ system and vet levels will be removed in the long run but not until there is sufficient content to enable you to gain levels outside of silver and gold.

dlepi24

ADarklore wrote: »

This is part of the storyline and one of the best features IMO... you need to unite Tamriel by helping all three Alliances, which I think is an awesome game design and all players get to explore all the Alliances without having to create a new character. If you think the grind in ESO is bad, you should try other MMOs like DCUO where you don't get 'quests' after level 30, instead you're stuck with repeating the same exact mission over and over and over again just to gain gear to raise your Combat Rating (replaced levels when you reached level 30), only so you can repeat the process with the next DLC. Yeah, ESO is heads above anything DCUO had to offer IMO. For me, the grind here is fun, there... not so much.

Sounds like that Destiny game I played for a month, lol.

Victus

I wish people will actually read what Cadwell says (and is mentioned by Enodoc) is that it is an "alternative" timeline that is happening, a "what would happen if you dropped out of Coldharbor and landed in another faction?" You aren't really helping out the enemy, it's as if you going through it all over again.

Now if people think it's boring or don't like it, fine. I find it's not a grind if I play a character I enjoy playing, while others it does feel a bit sloggish. YMMV.

Pangnirtung

What am I missing? Is the point to get to VR16 with 1000 champion points?

No one wants to grind or put the time in to get to the upper veteran ranks. What is waiting there that so many seem to be in a rush to reach?

ps. An honest question not meant to be sarcastic.

Rinmaethodain

Pangnirtung wrote: »

What am I missing? Is the point to get to VR16 with 1000 champion points?

No one wants to grind or put the time in to get to the upper veteran ranks. What is waiting there that so many seem to be in a rush to reach?

ps. An honest question not meant to be sarcastic.

I want to put my time to get to higher VR.

Your statement is now false, since you claim that there is not a single person who wants that.

Tweek

ThePonzzz wrote: »

lol @ "it takes ages" comment. Maybe I'm not a typical MMO player, but I think even a year to get to end game is too quick.

This.

I really think it should take months between each VR level to optimize game quality and play-ability.

Dan198Zero

I dont see the problem. If I hit max level already and nothing to work towards I would be bored already. The only thing I can see that needs changing is the champion points system which does need cap in place to stop those hardcore grinders from becoming untouchable in Cyrodiil.

PBpsy

Curtischoy

LOL @MaximusDargus. You are technically correct. The best kind of correct.

nastuug

PBpsy wrote: »

Finally, a Matrix meme!

UTG_Zilla

Be glad you didn't play d3, after you reached paragon levels it was the same exact thing over and over and over etc... Literally no change other than random maps (which weren't that random) and a new cookie cutter set every few months. At least you can do more than 1 thing in eso.