Templars are far too weak in PvP

BugCollector

It's been posted many of times, but ZOS hasn't done anything about it, so I'm going to post again what needs to be done with Templars.

1. Radial Sweep: increase the damage
2. Puncturing Strikes: Increase the damage
3. Piercing Javelin: increase the damage
4. Sun Fire: increase the speed of the projectile
5. Solar Flare: increase the speed of the projectile
6. Dark Flare (Solar Flare morph) increase the speed of the projectile + add a chance to instant cast
7. Backlash: slightly increase the damage ceiling
8. Eclipse: fix it!
9. Healing Ritual: add a chance to instant cast

Feel free to post your own suggestions.

JD2013

So all the Jesus Beams flying every which way mean nothing?

BugCollector

JD2013 wrote: »

So all the Jesus Beams flying every which way mean nothing?

Imo Jesus beam is fine, because it only hits hard when the target has low health.

Kingof green

I'd be happy to support stronger Templars when ZOS decreases the OP vampires.

NadiusMaximus

Are they aware that there are guys that can outrun our spells chasing them?
That alone speaks volume of how well the game is balanced.

Kaliki

JD2013 wrote: »

So all the Jesus Beams flying every which way mean nothing?

Ppl already complained enough about Radiant oppression for it get nerfed with the next major update. You might consider to stop using one useful skill as an argument for a class being fine.

JD2013

Kaliki wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

So all the Jesus Beams flying every which way mean nothing?

Ppl already complained enough about Radiant oppression for it get nerfed with the next major update. You might consider to stop using one useful skill as an argument for a class being fine.

Try wearing light armour and being a sorcerer if you want nerfed

Bones_PXOXM

Never mind

Kaliki

Yes, sorcs are getting nerfed, so it will be harder for them to use a playstyle that is based on griefing.
Is streaking away until opponents give up really how you think PvP as a sorc should work? Id rather more interesting playstyles get buffed.

@OP:
You forgot to mention getting rid of the knockback of puncturing strikes. Id trade that for a bit more damage. No more free cc immunity for my foes.

JD2013

Kaliki wrote: »

Yes, sorcs are getting nerfed, so it will be harder for them to use a playstyle that is based on griefing.
Is streaking away until opponents give up really how you think PvP as a sorc should work? Id rather more interesting playstyles get buffed.

@OP:
You forgot to mention getting rid of the knockback of puncturing strikes. Id trade that for a bit more damage. No more free cc immunity for my foes.

Getting?? Did you see 1.6? I adapt my play style every major update to try and remain as skilful as I can. This does not include endless bolt escape. That is a rarely used skill by me.

Maybe people need to adapt and look at their own builds before shouting nerf or about being underpoweed all the time.

NadiusMaximus

Yah, every class can only use half their skills in pvp. The other half are only viable in pve.
Most the skills listed above are the ones you do t use in pvp. It's been like that so long it's kind of common knowledge.
If they buffed those people would freak out because they wouldn't know how to counter the abilities they have never had to deal with.

Just like when they finally fixed meteor and everyone used it in pvp. All of a sudden everyone was calling for a nerf. They hadn't seen it on their death screen and instantly called foul.

Besides they can't fix anything anyway.

Sausage

Basically you want more dmg to everything, so grind CPs. Templars are already amazing at healing. I think things change when that block-stamina-nerf hits, not to mention no more roll dodging 10 times. So wait for that first. I personally cant wait for that block-stamina-nerf, currently noobs just press block, its time to learn to play. Current block system is almost exploit.

Kaliki

@JD2013:
I never call for nerfs of other classes, but it is obvious that huge sorc shields plus streak makes them quite tedious to fight. Same as perma reflect and permablocking dks. They also got nerfed or will get nerfed.

In a way you just did here what you complained about. You call out op Jesus beam instead of adapting your playstyle. Its not like your shield can't absorb a whole beam easily or as if a Templar on a 3.6 sec cast can't be interrupted...

JD2013

Kaliki wrote: »

@JD2013:
I never call for nerfs of other classes, but it is obvious that huge sorc shields plus streak makes them quite tedious to fight. Same as perma reflect and permablocking dks. They also got nerfed or will get nerfed.

In a way you just did here what you complained about. You call out op Jesus beam instead of adapting your playstyle. Its not like your shield can't absorb a whole beam easily or as if a Templar on a 3.6 sec cast can't be interrupted...

Merely pointing out one of the abilities that I see spammed most in PVP. I already know how to get away from it.

I have adapted quite well, thank you. Have you?

Kaliki

What is there to adapt? I play a magicka based Templar so all I can do is not bother wity sorcs, as its a waste of time.
Sure I can catch up and fight, but the fight wont end...

Kaliki

Sausage wrote: »

Basically you want more dmg to everything, so grind CPs. Templars are already amazing at healing. I think things change when that block-stamina-nerf hits, not to mention no more roll dodging 10 times. So wait for that first. I personally cant wait for that block-stamina-nerf, currently noobs just press block, its time to learn to play. Current block system is almost exploit.

Its not all about damage. Sluggishness of Templar skills and projectile fly time is a big issue for many damage skills. These would be merely tweaks but would make the class feel a lor more useful and responsive.
Also Eclipse is just a terribly bugged skill... not just that it is one of the only skills that just won't respond when cast on an immune target, it bugs out a lot. Causing dks to jump around in lightning speed... makes it imposdible to duel someone who can be placed 100m away in an instant ^^

Skwor

Kaliki wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Basically you want more dmg to everything, so grind CPs. Templars are already amazing at healing. I think things change when that block-stamina-nerf hits, not to mention no more roll dodging 10 times. So wait for that first. I personally cant wait for that block-stamina-nerf, currently noobs just press block, its time to learn to play. Current block system is almost exploit.

Its not all about damage. Sluggishness of Templar skills and projectile fly time is a big issue for many damage skills. These would be merely tweaks but would make the class feel a lor more useful and responsive.
Also Eclipse is just a terribly bugged skill... not just that it is one of the only skills that just won't respond when cast on an immune target, it bugs out a lot. Causing dks to jump around in lightning speed... makes it imposdible to duel someone who can be placed 100m away in an instant ^^

This, we need the "clunkiness" of the class fixed, projectile speed, GNDs needs addressed and according to the next major patch they might be. Blazing Shield may need looked at since it will get hit with a double nerf hammer on next major update but other than that I just do not know.

Alcast

Story of Puncturing strikes

Pre 1.6:
110% Inc damage on first target and HIGHER crit chance on low health enemies.

1.6.0:
170% Inc damage on first target, but higher crit chance gone.

1.6.1:
nerf to 140% inc damage on first target and CC immunity when you jab a dude.



Its the most nerfed skill in the history of ESO

BugCollector

Need more suggestions, guys!

tist

Every time I hear jesus beam I laugh. Templars are amazing.

RustedValor

Jesus Beam is literally the only good skill templars have, and that is about to be nerfed for the 4th time to be useless other than for executing.

danno8

RustedValor wrote: »

Jesus Beam is literally the only good skill templars have, and that is about to be nerfed for the 4th time to be useless other than for executing.

I've heard this a few times now. Do you mean an extra nerf other than the global 20%-->50% nerf?