Allow PvE deaths in Cyrodil to Rez at any faction owned keep!

Faugaun · June 2015

Just a suggestion...It's annoying to go back to the further keep...then transitus shrine .... then walk...just make it so we don't have to shrine from faction base to whatever keep we wanna go to...

puffy99 · June 2015

Yep! Agree. As long as you still control it you should be able to rez there..

Lenikus · June 2015

I'd agree with you, but then again, it's not really needed because everyone has that skill in soul line that lets you ress for free when you get kill'd by mobs, and also soul gems,,, so yea.

Not against it, really, but it kinda IS unnecessary

Faugaun · June 2015

Lenikus wrote: »

I'd agree with you, but then again, it's not really needed because everyone has that skill in soul line that lets you ress for free when you get kill'd by mobs, and also soul gems,,, so yea.

Not against it, really, but it kinda IS unnecessary

unnecessary but annoying all the same

LadyDestiny · June 2015

Feed that pony speed!

Lol j/k It is an annoying pain

AlnilamE · June 2015

You don't have any soul gems with you when you go to Cyrodiil?

The rez to keep has been brought up, but PvP folks were concerned it would lead to blood porting. And they have a point.

Faugaun · June 2015

blood porting? like go to a npc and die to port to a defense? .... how is this different from dying from a player and porting to a defense?

I guess i don't understand why there are separate rules when being killed by an npc as opposed to being killed by a player.

AlnilamE · June 2015

I don't know either, but getting eaten by Slaughterfish is always a fun way of getting out of Cyrodiil.

eventide03b14a_ESO · June 2015

Faugaun wrote: »

Just a suggestion...It's annoying to go back to the further keep...then transitus shrine .... then walk...just make it so we don't have to shrine from faction base to whatever keep we wanna go to...

Don't die then.

RazzPitazz · June 2015

Faugaun wrote: »

blood porting? like go to a npc and die to port to a defense? .... how is this different from dying from a player and porting to a defense?

I guess i don't understand why there are separate rules when being killed by an npc as opposed to being killed by a player.

Normally fights break out at keeps or resource hubs, at least the fights that carry weight in a campaign. If you are fighting NPC's you are most likely not taking part in the actual "War efforts".

eventide03b14a_ESO · June 2015

Faugaun wrote: »

blood porting? like go to a npc and die to port to a defense? .... how is this different from dying from a player and porting to a defense?

I guess i don't understand why there are separate rules when being killed by an npc as opposed to being killed by a player.

Blood porting is one of the worst PvP mechanics in this game. That's why they removed forward camps, because people abused the system.

Faugaun · June 2015

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

blood porting? like go to a npc and die to port to a defense? .... how is this different from dying from a player and porting to a defense?

I guess i don't understand why there are separate rules when being killed by an npc as opposed to being killed by a player.

Normally fights break out at keeps or resource hubs, at least the fights that carry weight in a campaign. If you are fighting NPC's you are most likely not taking part in the actual "War efforts".

So? and what if you fail to solo (or small group) the lumber mill as a distraction?

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

blood porting? like go to a npc and die to port to a defense? .... how is this different from dying from a player and porting to a defense?

I guess i don't understand why there are separate rules when being killed by an npc as opposed to being killed by a player.

Blood porting is one of the worst PvP mechanics in this game. That's why they removed forward camps, because people abused the system.

I still don't understand, what is blood porting? and why does it require different rules for npc death vs player death?

How is:

rezzing at entrance to cyrodil then transitus shrine to the desired faction controlled checkpoint

any different from:

dying from an npc and just rezzing at the desired location?

Further how does this create an abusable system? It only eliminates the unnecessary transitius shrine movement that people who die from a player don't have to deal with but people who die from an npc do...

AlnilamE · June 2015

But if you die from a PvE NPC you can rez with a soul gem on the very spot you died.

I'm confused as to what your issue is? Do you not have soul gems?

Faugaun · June 2015

AlnilamE wrote: »

But if you die from a PvE NPC you can rez with a soul gem on the very spot you died.

I'm confused as to what your issue is? Do you not have soul gems?

Right so even more so why can a person not pick the WS they res at like in the entire rest of the pve and pvp game?

AlnilamE · June 2015

In PvE you don't get to pick the wayshrine your rez at. You rez at the nearest wayshrine to where you died.

(At least I've never been given options when I picked Wayshrine).

Faugaun · June 2015

AlnilamE wrote: »

In PvE you don't get to pick the wayshrine your rez at. You rez at the nearest wayshrine to where you died.

(At least I've never been given options when I picked Wayshrine).

Umm ok yeah I guess that's correct....so why doesn't it work this way in cyrodil? Instead you are rezzed as far as possible from where you died!

sswilhelm_27b14_ESO · June 2015

Faugaun wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

In PvE you don't get to pick the wayshrine your rez at. You rez at the nearest wayshrine to where you died.

(At least I've never been given options when I picked Wayshrine).

Umm ok yeah I guess that's correct....so why doesn't it work this way in cyrodil? Instead you are rezzed as far as possible from where you died!

Because keeps arent wayshrines... the only two wayshrines are at your two home gates. The keep rez points are transitus shrines only for pvp deaths (or deaths by keep guards), not pve npcs

Lenikus · June 2015

Faugaun wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

In PvE you don't get to pick the wayshrine your rez at. You rez at the nearest wayshrine to where you died.

(At least I've never been given options when I picked Wayshrine).

Umm ok yeah I guess that's correct....so why doesn't it work this way in cyrodil? Instead you are rezzed as far as possible from where you died!

Wrong.
Unless a player killed you, you ress at the nearest wayshrine.
not the nearest 'transitus shrine'. the nearest WayShrine. As stated.
Cyrodill has only 2 wayshrines, one at each gate of your alliance, you ress at the one closest to your death spot.

Transitus Shrine =/= Wayshrines.

Faugaun · June 2015

sswilhelm_27b14_ESO wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

In PvE you don't get to pick the wayshrine your rez at. You rez at the nearest wayshrine to where you died.

(At least I've never been given options when I picked Wayshrine).

Umm ok yeah I guess that's correct....so why doesn't it work this way in cyrodil? Instead you are rezzed as far as possible from where you died!

Because keeps arent wayshrines... the only two wayshrines are at your two home gates. The keep rez points are transitus shrines only for pvp deaths (or deaths by keep guards), not pve npcs

Thats not valid, cause cyrodil have pve objectives also...it's not a pvp only zone.

LrdRahvin · June 2015

If you're dying pve deaths in Cyrodiil...

A. You're doing Cyrodiil wrong.

and

B. You're terrible.

Faugaun · June 2015

LrdRahvin wrote: »

If you're dying pve deaths in Cyrodiil...

A. You're doing Cyrodiil wrong.

and

B. You're terrible.

And this is where I check out...cannot discuss when you take this stance...have a nice day everyone

Merlin13KAGL · June 2015

If there is transitus connecting or you are within a reasonable distance already, yes.

LrdRahvin wrote: »

If you're dying pve deaths in Cyrodiil...

A. You're doing Cyrodiil wrong.

and

B. You're terrible.

@LrdRahvin , you've obviously never:

Stepped wrong and taken stupid high fall damage.
Gotten stuck in the environment.
Had a no-skills/weapon swap bug that did not allow you to defend/retreat.
Experienced any lag in Cyrodiil, ever...

dRudE · June 2015

Could always find a partner to PVE in Cyrodiil with, take advantage of the scroll of mara and can rez each other if one dies. Win win situation i believe in an MMO

LrdRahvin · June 2015

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

If there is transitus connecting or you are within a reasonable distance already, yes.

LrdRahvin wrote: »

If you're dying pve deaths in Cyrodiil...

A. You're doing Cyrodiil wrong.

and

B. You're terrible.

@LrdRahvin , you've obviously never:
Stepped wrong and taken stupid high fall damage.

Gotten stuck in the environment.

Had a no-skills/weapon swap bug that did not allow you to defend/retreat.

Experienced any lag in Cyrodiil, ever...

Nope, never have...but then, I'm just cool like that

Enodoc · June 2015

Faugaun wrote: »

sswilhelm_27b14_ESO wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

In PvE you don't get to pick the wayshrine your rez at. You rez at the nearest wayshrine to where you died.

(At least I've never been given options when I picked Wayshrine).

Umm ok yeah I guess that's correct....so why doesn't it work this way in cyrodil? Instead you are rezzed as far as possible from where you died!

Because keeps arent wayshrines... the only two wayshrines are at your two home gates. The keep rez points are transitus shrines only for pvp deaths (or deaths by keep guards), not pve npcs

Thats not valid, cause cyrodil have pve objectives also...it's not a pvp only zone.

Whether or not it's valid, it's still true. Cyrodiil only has 2 Wayshrines.

While I don't mind having to respawn at the gates and then use the Transitus to get somewhere, I would love them to add rez-shrines inside the delve entances, like all the delves in the PvE zones have, so you can rez at them if you die inside that delve (for a PvE death only).

uso245 · June 2015

Originally you could however this mechanic quickly became abused as people would use NPCs to bloodport to other keeps all the time which is why it spawns you at a wayshrine now.

F7sus4 · June 2015

So we're discussing modifying PvP resurrection mechanics just because one random doesn't want to invest a bit to have his Soul Gems? Ducking seriously?!