0.8% chance for Perfect Roe. ZOS, REALLY?

daemonios

eliisra wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

C'mon guys.

Within 48 hours of the patch I had 24 of these potions in my inventory without having spent either real money nor ingame gold. Nor having spent hours fishing (just 2 or 3). The drop rate of both the recipe parts AND the gold ingredient is so fair that I'm truly afraid that they stealth nerf it to boost crown store sales.

Just because you're extremely lucky clicking reward bags, doesn't mean the drop rate is is fair.

I've done 64 max level provisioning writs in Craglorn and I've gotten 1 fragment. That's about 2 months work for a player with only one provisioner and same "luck" lol. I'm certainly not the only one getting close to nothing on a daily basis either.

Getting Roe about 1% seems fair enough though.

There are many items costing more than either the perfect roe or the recipe fragments, which means either they aren't that rare or they aren't very sought after. And all are tradable, unlike other stuff with similar low drop rate, but which you can't get except if you farm it yourself.

Tandor

Rare is supposed to mean rare. I don't have a problem with that.

Moonshadow66

By the time I'd find just one of the Roes AND all parts of the recipe, I'm levelling a character from level 1 to VR14. Or 5 characters. While others are fishing for years at level 1. I'm not sure what the advantage is of these potions.

Shimmer

Regardless, for a legendary material I think the drop rate is appropriate.

coryevans_3b14_ESO

Kingof green wrote: »

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

Kingof green wrote: »

There's a better chance of getting a winning lottery ticket then perfect reo. I spent about nearly 20k on buying worms for fishing and never got anything, just fish fish fish

Show me the lottery that gives me a 1 in 100 chance and I'll spend enough to get 100 tries.

I have 15 perfect roe. The drop rate was consistently 1 in 100.

That's a really good rate for something like that.

Well from my time fishing i spent about 2-3 hours using the right biat and didn't get anything other then fish, oh and the odd wet sack of crap. Lucky you for getting that many fast.

lol 2 to 3 hours....that's nothing. And I think you may be REALLY REALLY confused. You process the fish for the roe....You don't catch the roe...good lord.

Armitas

It's that low so that you will buy it from the crown store instead. Cash shop games never release products that compete with the store, only ones that will be defeated by the store. They only release an in-game version to give the illusion it's not P2W.

Shimmer

oops double

Shimmer

Kingof green wrote: »

coryevans_3b14_ESO wrote: »

Kingof green wrote: »

There's a better chance of getting a winning lottery ticket then perfect reo. I spent about nearly 20k on buying worms for fishing and never got anything, just fish fish fish

Show me the lottery that gives me a 1 in 100 chance and I'll spend enough to get 100 tries.

I have 15 perfect roe. The drop rate was consistently 1 in 100.

That's a really good rate for something like that.

Well from my time fishing i spent about 2-3 hours using the right biat and didn't get anything other then fish, oh and the odd wet sack of crap. Lucky you for getting that many fast.

OMG please tell me you didnt vendor trash those fish!

Shimmer

Armitas wrote: »

It's that low so that you will buy it from the crown store instead. Cash shop games never release products that compete with the store, only ones that will be defeated by the store. They only release an in-game version to give the illusion it's not P2W.

That must be why all my crafted tri pots are better than any store bought tri pots...
And all my crafted food is better than any store bought food...

Armitas

Sylance9 wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

It's that low so that you will buy it from the crown store instead. Cash shop games never release products that compete with the store, only ones that will be defeated by the store. They only release an in-game version to give the illusion it's not P2W.

That must be why all my crafted tri pots are better than any store bought tri pots...
And all my crafted food is better than any store bought food...

Better, as you put it, has nothing to do with what I said. The crafted xp pots could be "better" and still be defeated.

OrphanHelgen

The less chance for perfect roe, the more they make in crown store.

anitajoneb17_ESO

eliisra wrote: »

Just because you're extremely lucky clicking reward bags, doesn't mean the drop rate is is fair.

I didn't say I did it alone.
We (with my guildies) put all our fragments together, among 30 ppl x perhaps 4 charachters each in average, we had the 7 fragments in 2 days. Gave them all to one guy who then crafted potions for everybody. We also helped out the ones that were less lucky with the perfect roe.

That's what guilds are for. That's what MMOs are for. Don't judge "difficulty" or "rarity" based on what's doable by a single person but by what's achievable with cooperation and teamwork.

drschplatt

I've done nearly 500 fish now without a roe. I finally just said ***k it and gave up.

Shimmer

drschplatt wrote: »

I've done nearly 500 fish now without a roe. I finally just said ***k it and gave up.

You did filet them correct?

Vis

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

RNG mate.

Some people have a higher percentage and others have a lower one.

My advice is to save some money and buy any extra pots you need.

Nope. I have deconned over 6,000 fish and can safely say the drop rate is between .7% and. 8%

Low RNG is a common f2p ploy to justify selling items for real cash.

drschplatt

Sylance9 wrote: »

drschplatt wrote: »

I've done nearly 500 fish now without a roe. I finally just said ***k it and gave up.

You did filet them correct?

Of course.

BuggeX

700 Fish and got 19 Roe.
So i got a Chance from 3,7%

You just got a bad luck.

QuadroTony

BuggeX wrote: »

700 Fish and got 19 Roe.
So i got a Chance from 3,7%

You just got a bad luck.

no, you just got luck

average chance 1%

Jamesbr1b14_ESO

I haven't even bothered to fish for the perfect roe yet. Why should I? After 14 days of doing provisioning writs on all 8 characters (120 provisioning writs in case your math skills lack), I haven't seen a single page of this recipe. I keep telling myself that the RNG will spit out 2 or 3 the next day, but so far, that hasn't occurred. Meanwhile, most people I know have just one or two provisioners and already have 2 or 3 pages. I expect that once I do start fishing, that perfect roe will roll in just as fast as that recipe has for me!

Cuyler

But how LONG does it take to catch 100 fish?

and is that time more or less than the time it takes to gather the additional XP at the normal rate?

My experience so far is I should of just kept grinding mobs...would've been faster than wasting all that time fishing.

Edit: seems like a P2W item. That is, either you pay the real money or have the gold to buy in game. Other than that a waste of time to farm yourself. Easier to farm fragments, sell them and use gold to buy potions.

AlnilamE

Cuyler wrote: »

But how LONG does it take to catch 100 fish?

and is that time more or less than the time it takes to gather the additional XP at the normal rate?

My experience so far is I should of just kept grinding mobs...would've been faster than wasting all that time fishing.

Edit: seems like a P2W item. That is, either you pay the real money or have the gold to buy in game. Other than that a waste of time to farm yourself. Easier to farm fragments, sell them and use gold to buy potions.

Well, you don't have to catch the fish yourself. You can use the gold you make selling the loot you get grinding XP to buy the potions (or the money you make selling the fragments). It's really a matter of what your priority is.

Cuyler

AlnilamE wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

But how LONG does it take to catch 100 fish?

and is that time more or less than the time it takes to gather the additional XP at the normal rate?

My experience so far is I should of just kept grinding mobs...would've been faster than wasting all that time fishing.

Edit: seems like a P2W item. That is, either you pay the real money or have the gold to buy in game. Other than that a waste of time to farm yourself. Easier to farm fragments, sell them and use gold to buy potions.

Well, you don't have to catch the fish yourself. You can use the gold you make selling the loot you get grinding XP to buy the potions (or the money you make selling the fragments). It's really a matter of what your priority is.

Well that's kinda my point. It's a crap drop rate to fish it yourself. Makes more sense to farm gold to buy it. The only ppl fishing for roe (theoretically) should be the hardcore angler's who would be there anyhow. Anyone looking to actually use the XP pots for CP grinding are better off being friends with an Angler to get cheap Roe.

WTB Angler Friends!

p.s. I have the recipe no need to buy the potions, just need to buy Roe

Stalwart385

0.8% sounds about right from my experience.

I have 6 perfect roes. On average I'm looking at about 150 fish to get one. I've received two with less than 100 and only one at well over 200. The RNG is definitely in effect but 0.8% sounds about right.

AlnilamE

Yeah. I'm working on my Master Angler achievement, so the Perfect Roe is a bit of a by-product until I get all the recipe fragments. Took me over 200 casts to catch the last fish I needed in Alik'r, and that netted me 2 roe right there.

I don't care about grinding, so I don't have much use for XP pots, though they may come in handy if I'm doing a questing push. We'll see.

KanedaSyndrome

Kingof green wrote: »

There's a better chance of getting a winning lottery ticket then perfect reo. I spent about nearly 20k on buying worms for fishing and never got anything, just fish fish fish

All statistics have outliers, you're an outlier. It's actually an honor, since the chance is quite slim that you would experience what you experienced given the scenario you describe.

Oh, just occured to me, did you remember to fillet the fish? You get the perfect roe from filleting, you don't 'catch' it as is, when you're fishing.

Preyfar

I'm currently going for Master Angler, and I've gotten 4 zones knocked out so far. And I've gotten almost 30 Perfect Roe. I think that's fine. Perfect Roe shouldn't be so common they're littering the landscape and Psijic Pots are so cheap they cost only 500 gold.

People seem to want these things handed out like candy. Rarity is not the worst thing in the game. It's accessible by anyone.

Cuyler

Preyfar wrote: »

I'm currently going for Master Angler, and I've gotten 4 zones knocked out so far. And I've gotten almost 30 Perfect Roe. I think that's fine. Perfect Roe shouldn't be so common they're littering the landscape and Psijic Pots are so cheap they cost only 500 gold.

People seem to want these things handed out like candy. Rarity is not the worst thing in the game. It's accessible by anyone.

I'm not saying give it away...I'm saying IMHO is SHOULD work that:

Time 1 = Time 2

Time 1: farm bait, fish, filet to get 1 Perfect Roe (approx. 100-150 fish)
Time 2: Farm mobs to get gold to buy Perfect Roe

Personally I'd prefer to actually USE THE GAME MECHANICS that Zos introduced to get the Roe than to simply circumvent it to grind mobs AGAIN, like everything else in this game. I'd like this game to reward me for actually using the systems. I like fishing, I don't mind farming for bait.

Problem is it's much much slower than grinding it out for gold to purchase these things. Right now with the way @ZOS has designed the pilot of this XP potion system, the answer to efficiently using them is GRIND MOBS for gold and purchase.

Edit: I'm really over simplifying this argument here but for the sake of a text wall i'm trying to keep it short. There are many more factors in how this psijic farm/economy is playing out. Another being that Angler's are underselling their Roe so that Psijic Pots can be made cheaper.

Nighn_9

Is there a way to get an addon like this, but for item sets?

Drazhar14

If you are after gold, there are other faster methods. If you are after experience, fishing is counter productive to actually spending time grinding exp. As I see it, there is zero reason for me to currently farm for this item.

F7sus4

QuadroTony wrote: »

i have an addon that show total chance for any fish based on my experience
so im wondering why the chance is so low?
this addon show the chance not only from this type of fish but it count all your attempts from all white fish

You really don't know why is Perfect Roe so rare, why XP pots last only 30 minutes, why is the recipe excessively difficult/gold-expensive to complete, while at the same time a stack of easy-obtainable XP scrolls waits for you in the Crown Store for 1000 Crowns only and last 2 hours each? Really-really?

Because money.