Console player concerned about end game

ChingChangChui

Hey y'all,

I'm a level 25 high elf sorcerer (because I have a thing for magic and a thing for elves) which means that I'm half way to end game. Earlier I read a post about a console player who was disappointed at end game.

Is it just doing more quests? 'Cause as a true ES fan, I'm totally cool with that as long as there is also character advancement. Plus, I'm also very VERY interested in (because I haven't got to experience them yet) the 12-24 man dungeons. That sounds insane!

I hope grouping gets much easier....



PS. NOBODY wants to hear Ed Sherman blasting throughout the tree in Grahtwood while black-smithing. (Mute individual players would be nice)

Ace_of_Destiny

ChingChangChui wrote: »

Hey y'all,

Earlier I read a post about a console player who was disappointed at end game.

Just a friendly question...

If you SAW a post about this topic...why didn't you USE the post about this topic?

ChingChangChui

To distract from all the WW/Vamp nonsense?

Ace_of_Destiny

ChingChangChui wrote: »

To distract from all the WW/Vamp nonsense?

HA!
Never gunna happen, Mate!

Leijona

ChingChangChui wrote: »

I'm a level 25 high elf sorcerer (because I have a thing for magic and a thing for elves) which means that I'm half way to end game.

You're not even close to the endgame. After Level 50, there will be 10 Veteranranks you gain while exploring the other two factions. After that, you are supposed to see Lower Craglorn until you hit V12 and for the last two Veteranranks you have Upper Craglorn. With V10 you also start to enter the trials.

ChingChangChui

Hmmmm. Thanks for the info!

Now my delima is: I can't stand looking at my character! And I wish I chose the female version... Should I just suck it up and remake it? I mean, it's only been 4 days... Plus I could always transfer all my stuff... Hmmmmmmm

symonator

I got to vet rank 2 last night (ps4) - man what a grind! lol.
I swear each vet rank is about 20 levels of XP.

I also finding i am falling short of XP for zones, but that is missing some anchors and zone bosses because as a tank it's kinda difficult to solo the vet rank 1/2 ones.

I went into vet rank 2 zone at vet rank 1 and just hitting vet rank 3 zone as rank 2.

I'd like to know where i can get some better gear because at the moment i'm running green/blue vet rank 1 stuff.

Tankqull

ChingChangChui wrote: »

Hmmmm. Thanks for the info!

Now my delima is: I can't stand looking at my character! And I wish I chose the female version... Should I just suck it up and remake it? I mean, it's only been 4 days... Plus I could always transfer all my stuff... Hmmmmmmm

if you are not satisfied with its looks switch as early as possible better yesterday than tomorrow

Elloa

Different players have different idea of what "end game" is.
I consider anything above lvl 50 as end game. But not everyone does.

So what can you do from Vet1 to Vet14 and beyond?

At Vet1
- Quest in Silver or Gold (other faction area)
- Normal dungeon scaled to the group leader and the daily Undaunted pledge for a silver key
- Veteran Dungeon scaled to the group leader an dthe daily Undaunted pledge for a gold key (more challenging)
- Can start Craglorn with a 4 man group +- well balanced

At Vet10
- Aetherian Archive and Hellra Citadel
- Dragon Star Arena (normal)

At Vet 12- 14
- Sanctum ophidia
- Dragon Star Arena Veteran
- City of Ashes Veteran

And of course Cyrodiil

Pman85

you are in for a surprise if you think lvl 25 is half-way. Just make sure you are not one of those turds who complain about the vet system when you get there.

Grouping is easy, have you tried to grab some friends to go? Have you joined a guild that is actually active? Have you tried to group up as a heal or tank? You get non-stop groups if you are.

PS you can mute players, if you for some reason dont know how, ugh i feel bad for you, and its hard not to troll, but seriously...go to their gamer card and mute them. Granted there should be an easier option, but when you present a problem with a already clear answer, it kinda makes you look like a noob. nah sayin?

Sausage

Craglorn is vr10+ zone, so you've long way to go, Cadwel's silver and gold.

LucyferLightbringer

Endgame, first you just do other alliances stories till vr 10-11, then mindlessly grind mobs till your eyes bleed till vr14, then you can do endgame.

Leijona

symonator wrote: »

I'd like to know where i can get some better gear because at the moment i'm running green/blue vet rank 1 stuff.

Build it by yourself or buy it in a guild shop. Or get it from somebody in your guild.

Leandor

Level 25 May be about 2% of the road to endgame. Didn't check in detail but that number should be about right. Never fear, you will have plenty of time to prepare for the endgame that may or may not be there.

Junglejim82

My idea of end game mmo play is raids or equivalent. Top end pvp in between times for the bread and butter while waiting for on dlc or expansions. So a couple of questions for vets.

What v.r rank do the toughest large group dungeons unlock.
I've heard pvp is all about the numbers game so while a skilled player will always shine it won't be the deciding factor. Biggest faction equals most chance of victory?
I'm all about pvp and tough pve but I already think I'll be let down by pvp. I'm used to guild vs guild premade pvp. Was dagger fall a huge mistake?.

I don't mind the grind tbh as long as its not boring. Arena sounds like horse mode. I like horde mode so that'll be fine. Raids I'm most interested in here so any info would be greatly appreciated. My previous mmo was a come months of grind before I was able to do any raid outside of the training wheels one so I'd just like an idea of what to expect

Ballzy321

Pvp is endgame. Learn to love it

Gorthax

You are not half way to end game lol max lvl is vr14

Azalin76

Sadly after they fixed the dungeon bosses where you could kill them over and over again because they would glitch and respawn, getting to VR14 is much more difficult. I remember grinding a dungeon boss and getting a vet rank every hour, this is also before they lowered the vet rank xp to 1 million per level, back then you needed more like 4 million per level. In some aspects it has become easier but you still have to get thru the vet ranks before it's really worth it to start running dungeons. I only say that because when you run dungeons you only get gear that is scaled now so by the time you get to VR14 most of it will be useless, but most of the gear in the dungeons is useless anyway. I used to run a lot of dungeons when I first started playing the game a year ago and never was able to use any of the items that dropped because I always seemed to get loot with stats that I didn't need, even after running a dungeon 10+times the bosses never dropped anything better than what can be crafted. So to me dungeons are mostly useless unless you need the skyshards and skill points in them. Once you hit veteran ranks you usually have so many skill points that you don't even use them anymore because you have no where to put them unless you are a crafter. Most of the really good gear you get won't start showing up until VR10+ so until then you pretty much only have silver and gold to look for unless you want to grind in craglorn which takes about 5+ hours or more to grind one vet level. Even with the ESO Plus membership you don't really see much of a difference with leveling. I have been using it and just got to coldharbor and am only level 46 which is about the average level for getting there.

EndlessLuny

You all say That Vetern is basically the ability to play other alliance quest?

How repeative are the quest and storys?!?

I dont understand why people complain abbout the VEt Ranks taking so much Exp to progress *Spoiler* Your a Vet its suppose to be hard or the game be no fun.

Azalin76

Vet ranks are easy to level now, 1 million xp isn't that bad, like I said it used to be 4 million or more to get each level. The stories are different for silver and gold, the quests are about the same and become mind numbing after a while.

RedTalon

Once your able to fun delves in the pvp area, you won't have to worry about the vet grind much. Just a matter of not running into the other grinders there.

But the respawn rates in those areas are the quickest in game still, and the mobs though vet 12 function much lower then that, and give out enough xp to make even chump point grinders happy at vet 14

But yup even after you grind out the vet ranks still going to need to grind out the champ points, end game is all about the grind more or less

smokes

EndlessLuny wrote: »

You all say That Vetern is basically the ability to play other alliance quest?

How repeative are the quest and storys?!?

I dont understand why people complain abbout the VEt Ranks taking so much Exp to progress *Spoiler* Your a Vet its suppose to be hard or the game be no fun.

yes, once you finish your chosen alliance, you start cadwells silver, which is to experience the game as if you started in another faction. then cadwells gold, for the final faction.

that content is all unique, each factions questlines/storylines are different from each other, the only crossover would be the fighter and mage guild storylines, but those aren't inlcuded.

so yea, whilst having the oppotunity to explore all that additional unique content is great, the idea of needing to do it all in order to be competitive in pvp or find groups for trials isn't so great.

it used to be, in beta, you hit level 50, killed the big bad and moved onto craglorn, which at the time would've been VR1-4. but a few people in beta said how great it'd be to make the other factions content available, as it was all unique.

zenimax obliged, however, this came at a cost, as in order to add the additional faction content, levels had to be added to it (due to the way in which quest rewards, quest XP and everything else links together from a programming PoV), which kinda accidentally created a mandatory grind for anyone that wanted to get into trials or pvp. which also caused a lot of the launch playerbase to leave. (you've also got the grinders who just mob grinded through it, the exploiters who exploited a bug to kill bosses repeatedly and earn massive XP through doing so and then finally the people who just love questing so think it's great) but most people who wanted to raid or pvp from VR1, found that the VR10-14 guys who had grinded or exploited their way to max level, were just OP and practically unstoppable, which was exacerbated by pvp bugs, such as the practically unkillable vampires batswarming through keep walls.

since then, zenimax have been making strides towards removing the VR ranks - not the content - so that levelling through cadwells gold and silver is optional and not a barrier to entering trials as well as staying competitive in pvp. the exact details of how VR ranks are going to be removed have not yet been released, but the final phase of removal is due soon.

the largest part of the removal was the introduction of champion points which is a VR alternative. however, this isn't going to close the gap between players with 1CP who've just hit level 50 and players who were VR14 and have been grinding out CP since it was patched in and then transferred to console.

so yea... there's a power vacuum between VR1 and 14 and nobody is quite sure how thats going to be addressed when VR ranks are removed. there's plenty of speculation, but nothing solid as yet. there are many people anxously awaiting this announcement.

either way, veteran ranks are a massive block to what most mmo games would call endgame play. but it is being dealt with. don't let it put you off. use the time until VR ranks are removed to grind out some CP through questing or pvp, just dont burn yourself out trying to reach VR14 within a few days, you'll need an exploit or a love for grinding mobs to go that fast.

Junglejim82

smokes wrote: »

EndlessLuny wrote: »

You all say That Vetern is basically the ability to play other alliance quest?

How repeative are the quest and storys?!?

I dont understand why people complain abbout the VEt Ranks taking so much Exp to progress *Spoiler* Your a Vet its suppose to be hard or the game be no fun.

yes, once you finish your chosen alliance, you start cadwells silver, which is to experience the game as if you started in another faction. then cadwells gold, for the final faction.

that content is all unique, each factions questlines/storylines are different from each other, the only crossover would be the fighter and mage guild storylines, but those aren't inlcuded.

so yea, whilst having the oppotunity to explore all that additional unique content is great, the idea of needing to do it all in order to be competitive in pvp or find groups for trials isn't so great.

it used to be, in beta, you hit level 50, killed the big bad and moved onto craglorn, which at the time would've been VR1-4. but a few people in beta said how great it'd be to make the other factions content available, as it was all unique.

zenimax obliged, however, this came at a cost, as in order to add the additional faction content, levels had to be added to it (due to the way in which quest rewards, quest XP and everything else links together from a programming PoV), which kinda accidentally created a mandatory grind for anyone that wanted to get into trials or pvp. which also caused a lot of the launch playerbase to leave. (you've also got the grinders who just mob grinded through it, the exploiters who exploited a bug to kill bosses repeatedly and earn massive XP through doing so and then finally the people who just love questing so think it's great) but most people who wanted to raid or pvp from VR1, found that the VR10-14 guys who had grinded or exploited their way to max level, were just OP and practically unstoppable, which was exacerbated by pvp bugs, such as the practically unkillable vampires batswarming through keep walls.

since then, zenimax have been making strides towards removing the VR ranks - not the content - so that levelling through cadwells gold and silver is optional and not a barrier to entering trials as well as staying competitive in pvp. the exact details of how VR ranks are going to be removed have not yet been released, but the final phase of removal is due soon.

the largest part of the removal was the introduction of champion points which is a VR alternative. however, this isn't going to close the gap between players with 1CP who've just hit level 50 and players who were VR14 and have been grinding out CP since it was patched in and then transferred to console.

so yea... there's a power vacuum between VR1 and 14 and nobody is quite sure how thats going to be addressed when VR ranks are removed. there's plenty of speculation, but nothing solid as yet. there are many people anxously awaiting this announcement.

either way, veteran ranks are a massive block to what most mmo games would call endgame play. but it is being dealt with. don't let it put you off. use the time until VR ranks are removed to grind out some CP through questing or pvp, just dont burn yourself out trying to reach VR14 within a few days, you'll need an exploit or a love for grinding mobs to go that fast.

Great response. So in my experience pvp was a separate grind for pvp gear in other games or the latest greatest pve items only to be found in the very top tier raids. My question is will being a fresh vr 1 be a hindrance in pvp ? As in would I be undergeared compared with say a vr 14 . I'd expect a difference in sp obviously ? My pre conceived idea was level cap > tier gear loop grind and raids > top end pvp I'd assumed vr ranks were gear tiers . Had it been that way vr1s would more or less be fodder compared to 14s. Is this not the case?

smokes

Junglejim82 wrote: »

Great response. So in my experience pvp was a separate grind for pvp gear in other games or the latest greatest pve items only to be found in the very top tier raids. My question is will being a fresh vr 1 be a hindrance in pvp ? As in would I be undergeared compared with say a vr 14 . I'd expect a difference in sp obviously ? My pre conceived idea was level cap > tier gear loop grind and raids > top end pvp I'd assumed vr ranks were gear tiers . Had it been that way vr1s would more or less be fodder compared to 14s. Is this not the case?

as a VR1 be prepared to be destroyed by a VR14

there is not only the difference in vr1 and vr14 gear, but also the difference in champion points. at the moment, both contribute to the widening gap in player power.

once VR ranks are removed, gear quality and CP should define the size of the power gap. but tbh, nobody knows except zenimax.

Blutengel

ChingChangChui wrote: »

Hmmmm. Thanks for the info!

Now my delima is: I can't stand looking at my character! And I wish I chose the female version... Should I just suck it up and remake it? I mean, it's only been 4 days... Plus I could always transfer all my stuff... Hmmmmmmm

Why not? Heck why even re-roll? You have five character slots to make use of. Just make another character (female version) and have fun. There is no need to rush this game to get to end game, take your time and enjoy. You could always use the one you don't like to look at as your bank/mule until we get gender chages implemented into the game.

MCMancub

smokes wrote: »

Junglejim82 wrote: »

Great response. So in my experience pvp was a separate grind for pvp gear in other games or the latest greatest pve items only to be found in the very top tier raids. My question is will being a fresh vr 1 be a hindrance in pvp ? As in would I be undergeared compared with say a vr 14 . I'd expect a difference in sp obviously ? My pre conceived idea was level cap > tier gear loop grind and raids > top end pvp I'd assumed vr ranks were gear tiers . Had it been that way vr1s would more or less be fodder compared to 14s. Is this not the case?

as a VR1 be prepared to be destroyed by a VR14

there is not only the difference in vr1 and vr14 gear, but also the difference in champion points. at the moment, both contribute to the widening gap in player power.

once VR ranks are removed, gear quality and CP should define the size of the power gap. but tbh, nobody knows except zenimax.

This is not true at all. I see VR1's wipe the floor with VR14's daily. It's about how skilled you are with your character. Sure, gear and CP's make you statistically stronger, but if you suck at PvP, you will die to anyone.

Egonieser

Level 25 is like 10℅ towards endgame. After level 50 there are 14 veteran ranks, each rank requires more exp than lvl 40-50 total.
In a few months time, come back and then express your concers as you are nowhere near even mid-way or even 1/3 for that matter.
When you finish your faction storyline and maps, you have 2 more factions to explore, so technically around lvl 50 it's about 1/3 of the total progression.

Junglejim82

MCMancub wrote: »

smokes wrote: »

Junglejim82 wrote: »

Great response. So in my experience pvp was a separate grind for pvp gear in other games or the latest greatest pve items only to be found in the very top tier raids. My question is will being a fresh vr 1 be a hindrance in pvp ? As in would I be undergeared compared with say a vr 14 . I'd expect a difference in sp obviously ? My pre conceived idea was level cap > tier gear loop grind and raids > top end pvp I'd assumed vr ranks were gear tiers . Had it been that way vr1s would more or less be fodder compared to 14s. Is this not the case?

as a VR1 be prepared to be destroyed by a VR14

there is not only the difference in vr1 and vr14 gear, but also the difference in champion points. at the moment, both contribute to the widening gap in player power.

once VR ranks are removed, gear quality and CP should define the size of the power gap. but tbh, nobody knows except zenimax.

This is not true at all. I see VR1's wipe the floor with VR14's daily. It's about how skilled you are with your character. Sure, gear and CP's make you statistically stronger, but if you suck at PvP, you will die to anyone.

Yeah this is true in all games. My crew take pvp seriously this is all I needed to know. My plan to be high vr before pvp ing seriously will stay as is. Get some practice in first obviously but looks like the grind to my kinda endgame will be real. We may out skill bad players but we meet a skilled and geared crew and we will get destroyed. Not fun

MCMancub

Junglejim82 wrote: »

MCMancub wrote: »

smokes wrote: »

Junglejim82 wrote: »

Great response. So in my experience pvp was a separate grind for pvp gear in other games or the latest greatest pve items only to be found in the very top tier raids. My question is will being a fresh vr 1 be a hindrance in pvp ? As in would I be undergeared compared with say a vr 14 . I'd expect a difference in sp obviously ? My pre conceived idea was level cap > tier gear loop grind and raids > top end pvp I'd assumed vr ranks were gear tiers . Had it been that way vr1s would more or less be fodder compared to 14s. Is this not the case?

as a VR1 be prepared to be destroyed by a VR14

there is not only the difference in vr1 and vr14 gear, but also the difference in champion points. at the moment, both contribute to the widening gap in player power.

once VR ranks are removed, gear quality and CP should define the size of the power gap. but tbh, nobody knows except zenimax.

This is not true at all. I see VR1's wipe the floor with VR14's daily. It's about how skilled you are with your character. Sure, gear and CP's make you statistically stronger, but if you suck at PvP, you will die to anyone.

Yeah this is true in all games. My crew take pvp seriously this is all I needed to know. My plan to be high vr before pvp ing seriously will stay as is. Get some practice in first obviously but looks like the grind to my kinda endgame will be real. We may out skill bad players but we meet a skilled and geared crew and we will get destroyed. Not fun

The "grind" is really not bad if you enjoy the questing from 1-50. It goes by pretty quickly once you understand how it's set up. PvP in this game is awesome because it's so skill based. Becoming good at PvP in Cyrodiil is quite the challenge.

Leandor

And there is the non vet campaign. That is very feasible with every level (except maybe 10-15 before you unlock weapon switching) to a certain extend and allows you to train for the veteran stages. That way, the learning curve is not quite as steep.

Lord Xanhorn

Consider this game has an equivalent of about 150 levels....that would mean half way to end game is about V3 or so.