Every MMO Has One, ESO has the Templar

Dredlord

As with players Devs have their favourites. As I have moved from mmo to mmo over the years I have noticed I move from class type to class type as my favourite and sometimes have a distaste for what I played in the last one.

I can't imagine a Dev is any different and of course in every game you can see it, maybe not at first but soon it becomes obvious, there is one class that no one one the team gives a f*** about...

A couple examples I remember most clearly. Vanilla Wow had its Druid, Guildwars 2 has its Necro. I'm sure you can think many others if it was the class you mained in other games

It wasn't so clear to me about the Templar until recently when all of a sudden in the bug compilation thread the message comes for near all of the bugs posted "working as intended".

There is a point where a dev team proves their professionalism and overcomes their bias or doesn't.

There is an overwhelming amount of feedback on these forums about the performance of the class and whether working as intended should be intended.

Will the Dev team allow the console release to happen with a clunky half broken class? a game with only 4 classes and a fraction of the class abilities most MMO's have to balance.

It's time to take notice ZOS, working as intended is not an acceptable answer anymore.

PKMN12

fun fact: this class inbalance is STILL not as bad as it was during P2P, where it was Fire-DK-mage or bust

Dredlord

PKMN12 wrote: »

fun fact: this class inbalance is STILL not as bad as it was during P2P, where it was Fire-DK-mage or bust

class balance is garbage compared to 1.5, I would go back in a heartbeat.

Fun fact: 1.6 killed any hope of a hybrid build that isn't a joke.

PKMN12

Dredlord wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

fun fact: this class inbalance is STILL not as bad as it was during P2P, where it was Fire-DK-mage or bust

class balance is garbage compared to 1.5, I would go back in a heartbeat.

Fun fact: 1.6 killed any hope of a hybrid build that isn't a joke.

From what i heard, hybrids were garbage even then.................

Dredlord

PKMN12 wrote: »

Dredlord wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

fun fact: this class inbalance is STILL not as bad as it was during P2P, where it was Fire-DK-mage or bust

class balance is garbage compared to 1.5, I would go back in a heartbeat.

Fun fact: 1.6 killed any hope of a hybrid build that isn't a joke.

From what i heard, hybrids were garbage even then.................

maybe a few more dots would make it true

AbraXuSeXile

Every MMO has a class called Templar that they have no idea what to do with them. They sad thing is ive picked it on every game...

Heromofo

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Every MMO has a class called Templar that they have no idea what to do with them. They sad thing is ive picked it on every game...

Uuum paladin in wow was an insane tank,healer and a deadly pvper dps.

Acrolas

I like my Templop.
#HealingFlow #WorkingAsIntendedFlow #JesusBeamFlow

tplink3r1

They might just change the name of the class to "Healer".

Earelith

Heromofo wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Every MMO has a class called Templar that they have no idea what to do with them. They sad thing is ive picked it on every game...

Uuum paladin in wow was an insane tank,healer and a deadly pvper dps.

In Vanilla it was just a healer..No other spec was valuable. Protection spec was good to go out and farm aoe mobs due to damage shield it had, but only on regular easy mobs.

in TBC it was the best aoe tank for boss adds (due to fast and insane aggro it could built) but it wasn't for boss tank, not even in dungeons. And in pvp there were half class specs better than him..I am an average player playing frost mage in TBC and paladins was one of the easiest kills in arena. Still, Paladin was just a healer as far as group content concerned except some very few occasions of aoe tank boss adds.

Early WotLK Retribution was FotM class facerolling everyone. Later on it got fixed (nerfed).

Then I stopped playing so I cant tell you what was his fate after wotlk

hedna123b14_ESO

Umm what? I havent tanked with a templar so I am not sure about that, however as for healing and DPS I have no idea what you're talking about. Ever since 1.6 hit Templar became amazing....As a dps I'm pulling 16-20k on vDSA bosses (except hiath and Slaver of House Dress boss). As a healer I dual wield in vDSA and resto staff heal in Trials....I have zero magicka issues...Now maybe the tanking is completely broken ( I dont tank), but as for healing and DPS, the class is doing just fine IMHO...

Aldarenn

PKMN12 wrote: »

Dredlord wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

fun fact: this class inbalance is STILL not as bad as it was during P2P, where it was Fire-DK-mage or bust

class balance is garbage compared to 1.5, I would go back in a heartbeat.

Fun fact: 1.6 killed any hope of a hybrid build that isn't a joke.

From what i heard, hybrids were garbage even then.................

LA Sorcs with a 2h was pretty OP in PvP if you knew how to play one. Just stack Crit Surge and Rally and CHAAARGE!

And yeah I agree, 1.5 was definitely the most balanced out of all the patches.

Alcast

Dredlord wrote: »

As with players Devs have their favourites. As I have moved from mmo to mmo over the years I have noticed I move from class type to class type as my favourite and sometimes have a distaste for what I played in the last one.

I can't imagine a Dev is any different and of course in every game you can see it, maybe not at first but soon it becomes obvious, there is one class that no one one the team gives a f*** about...

A couple examples I remember most clearly. Vanilla Wow had its Druid, Guildwars 2 has its Necro. I'm sure you can think many others if it was the class you mained in other games

It wasn't so clear to me about the Templar until recently when all of a sudden in the bug compilation thread the message comes for near all of the bugs posted "working as intended".

There is a point where a dev team proves their professionalism and overcomes their bias or doesn't.

There is an overwhelming amount of feedback on these forums about the performance of the class and whether working as intended should be intended.

Will the Dev team allow the console release to happen with a clunky half broken class? a game with only 4 classes and a fraction of the class abilities most MMO's have to balance.

It's time to take notice ZOS, working as intended is not an acceptable answer anymore.

In PvE Templar TOP:
Arena= Templar > other classes
Trials= AoE OP and ST 1-2k behind DK.

In PvP:
As Healer sstill OP
Magicka DD ok
Stam DD ok too


Or what do you think is not as good as in other classes?

Junipus

Templars aren't the top DPS class.
Templars are the best healing class.

If you want to do DPS and rolled a templar, you can but you'll be left out in high end PvE raids over other classes.
If you want to do healing then you'll be picked first above everyone else.

There are still many issues with some of the class abilities, but those can be worked with given enough knowledge of the issues e.g. BoL cool down isn't an issue if you're aware of it and heal pre-emptively.

paulsimonps

They always meant for all classes to be able to fill all roles, but i think templars and nightblades are the only ones that can do that atm. That being said nightblade tanks are not a common sight because they are not run in the same way as a templar or dk tank which are a lot easier to run with. DK,s are bad at healing and Sorcs doesn't really have any good tank set up yet, or at least one that is common knowledge.

Alcast

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

Templars aren't the top DPS class.
Templars are the best healing class.

If you want to do DPS and rolled a templar, you can but you'll be left out in high end PvE raids over other classes.
If you want to do healing then you'll be picked first above everyone else.

There are still many issues with some of the class abilities, but those can be worked with given enough knowledge of the issues e.g. BoL cool down isn't an issue if you're aware of it and heal pre-emptively.

Sure, we all rerolling Stam Templars because they suck.

Junipus

I've seen some very effective NB tanks in vet CoA. The dodge stacking makes it so much easier when combined with stationary bosses when you can drop a veil to both tank and heal the tank. Especially when they use siphoning strikes and swallow soul to help heal themselves.

I've run with a few sorc tanks as well, although mostly in vet dungeons and they've been quite effective.

Sorc healers are the second best in the game following templars and even NBs can do decent healing with the right setup.

DKs can do some decent backup healing with the use of class shields and a resto staff, but suffer the same as other classes without the use of a burst heal.

Essentially all classes can do all things but some better than others, which is how it should be really. There'd be little choice in playing each class if they were all capable of doing the same healing/tanking/dps since you'd just use ability X instead of ability Y.

eNumbra

Oh you sweet summer child; allow me to tell you about release and which class the bots chose for their farming, about which class had about 1/3 of its skills working as they should have been. If you think the Templar of now is bad you should have played a Nightblade at release.

Mashille

Everyone needs to stop going on about things being OP and UP. Templar is not disregarded by ZOS and it CAN do very good DPS. Check out "http://Deltiasgaming.com"

He has a build called 'Omega' for Templar DPS and it is insane in PvP for DPS and for PvE. You can also check it out on youtube:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUIm-vu-cw
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbhFBFYYfs8

So don't complain that Templar is 'Not cared For' and 'Can't do Good DPS' because it can.

Alcast

https://youtu.be/-t7OJoXbB74

do that with other classes, good luck. And there is still plenty space for improvement

Lyzaaa

keybaud wrote: »

Everyone needs to stop going on about things being OP and UP. Templar is not disregarded by ZOS and it CAN do very good DPS. Check out "http://Deltiasgaming.com"

He has a build called 'Omega' for Templar DPS and it is insane in PvP for DPS and for PvE. You can also check it out on youtube:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUIm-vu-cw
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbhFBFYYfs8

So don't complain that Templar is 'Not cared For' and 'Can't do Good DPS' because it can.

roflmao deltia doesnt make pvp builds.Hes a player that plasy 24/7 has top notch gear everything, more experience with the game than anyone, and all he doesis stomp non vet PvP..

I mean i took quick peak at his first build and all he made is a freakin jesus beam bot. It has huge magicka and spell power but that doesnt take a genious to make, you really think such a simple build noone coudl come up with?

It's not a genious solution to the templar issues. In fact if that char goes into cyrodiil, with that low regen and armor, he's gonna get rekt b4 even being able to do anything.

EDIT: noticed the first vid was a PvE built..

the 2nd build does seem to a bit better but nontheless.. well w/e just disregard this im not gonna waste time explaining.. No offense to deltia but he's not the guy to watch PvPing.

hedna123b14_ESO

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

Templars aren't the top DPS class.
Templars are the best healing class.

If you want to do DPS and rolled a templar, you can but you'll be left out in high end PvE raids over other classes.
If you want to do healing then you'll be picked first above everyone else.

There are still many issues with some of the class abilities, but those can be worked with given enough knowledge of the issues e.g. BoL cool down isn't an issue if you're aware of it and heal pre-emptively.

What are you talking about? If you know how to play Templar you will pull amazing DPS....highest Ranked VDSA score is from a group with 2 templars, one of which is DPS...

AhPook_Is_Here

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

Templars aren't the top DPS class.
Templars are the best healing class.

If you want to do DPS and rolled a templar, you can but you'll be left out in high end PvE raids over other classes.
If you want to do healing then you'll be picked first above everyone else.

There are still many issues with some of the class abilities, but those can be worked with given enough knowledge of the issues e.g. BoL cool down isn't an issue if you're aware of it and heal pre-emptively.

I've seen some decent numbers from jabs templars in PVE but their sustain isn't that great for longer fights. Honestly, any class but magicka DK for a DPS at the moment in trials is hurting your time if your guild clears content without deaths or wipes.

Alcast

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

dap_robertb16_ESO wrote: »

Templars aren't the top DPS class.
Templars are the best healing class.

If you want to do DPS and rolled a templar, you can but you'll be left out in high end PvE raids over other classes.
If you want to do healing then you'll be picked first above everyone else.

There are still many issues with some of the class abilities, but those can be worked with given enough knowledge of the issues e.g. BoL cool down isn't an issue if you're aware of it and heal pre-emptively.

I've seen some decent numbers from jabs templars in PVE but their sustain isn't that great for longer fights. Honestly, any class but magicka DK for a DPS at the moment in trials is hurting your time if your guild clears content without deaths or wipes.

Sustain issues? Only if your healer sucks. The only reason ppl have sustain issues is because healers dont provide enough support. In arena, 3x Skillcost reduction and i NEVER drop below 50% in Arena runs.
Ofc also helps if your a redguard

Full raid of magicka DKs= low AoE dmg

arena25

Hear ye, hear ye, a proclamation has cometh forth from the domain of Lord Arena25.

He would like to remind you that class balance has been a serious issue since the beginning of the game.

Templars and Dragonknights have been debated as to whether or not they are the most overpowered class, whereas nightblades and sorcerers get left in the dark.

He would like to remind you that thy Developers are trying to balance classes so that in a contest involving equal level players with all 4 classes represented, all 4 have an equal chance of winning.

And with that, off with you. For the Covenant, for the Dominion, and for the Pact.

Signed,
Shedelin
Scribe to Arena25

drogon1

Lyzaaa wrote: »

keybaud wrote: »

Everyone needs to stop going on about things being OP and UP. Templar is not disregarded by ZOS and it CAN do very good DPS. Check out "http://Deltiasgaming.com"

He has a build called 'Omega' for Templar DPS and it is insane in PvP for DPS and for PvE. You can also check it out on youtube:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUIm-vu-cw
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbhFBFYYfs8

So don't complain that Templar is 'Not cared For' and 'Can't do Good DPS' because it can.

roflmao deltia doesnt make pvp builds.Hes a player that plasy 24/7 has top notch gear everything, more experience with the game than anyone, and all he doesis stomp non vet PvP..

I mean i took quick peak at his first build and all he made is a freakin jesus beam bot. It has huge magicka and spell power but that doesnt take a genious to make, you really think such a simple build noone coudl come up with?

It's not a genious solution to the templar issues. In fact if that char goes into cyrodiil, with that low regen and armor, he's gonna get rekt b4 even being able to do anything.

EDIT: noticed the first vid was a PvE built..

the 2nd build does seem to a bit better but nontheless.. well w/e just disregard this im not gonna waste time explaining.. No offense to deltia but he's not the guy to watch PvPing.

Deltia posts PvP builds also, and he's fine to "watch" for PvP as he clearly loves playing the whole game and posting creative builds that he creates himself or learns from others. "all he doesis stomp non vet PvP" - just go away...

Attorneyatlawl

Dredlord wrote: »

As with players Devs have their favourites. As I have moved from mmo to mmo over the years I have noticed I move from class type to class type as my favourite and sometimes have a distaste for what I played in the last one.

I can't imagine a Dev is any different and of course in every game you can see it, maybe not at first but soon it becomes obvious, there is one class that no one one the team gives a f*** about...

A couple examples I remember most clearly. Vanilla Wow had its Druid, Guildwars 2 has its Necro. I'm sure you can think many others if it was the class you mained in other games

It wasn't so clear to me about the Templar until recently when all of a sudden in the bug compilation thread the message comes for near all of the bugs posted "working as intended".

There is a point where a dev team proves their professionalism and overcomes their bias or doesn't.

There is an overwhelming amount of feedback on these forums about the performance of the class and whether working as intended should be intended.

Will the Dev team allow the console release to happen with a clunky half broken class? a game with only 4 classes and a fraction of the class abilities most MMO's have to balance.

It's time to take notice ZOS, working as intended is not an acceptable answer anymore.

I'm having trouble telling if this is satirical or not. Class balance is actually extremely close at this point in time across most roles. Templars in particular remain the most versatile, but also now as good as every other class in everything except healing, where they excel and do so at a level above the others thanks to extremely strong class-based Breath of Life (which a Dragonknight, often complained about for green dragon blood which is simply 33% of your missing (not total) health, could only dream of having such a high level of instant healing, which not only then hits themselves but also 2 allies for much of the amount, the main target can be crit-healed for upwards of a full health bar on high gear setups), Ritual of Rebirth, and Remembrance. Rune Focus also is great for the extra armor and magicka regen which even works in pvp for example while in mist form as it's a regen "buff".

On the damage front, they have heal jabs which count as several hits against block and are extremely high healing for yourself to boot while often dealing a good chunk of extra damage from a 25% chance at a moderately-sized damage proc from their spear passives, and have Dark Flare which self-Empowers and can sustain extremely high damage while buffing everyone, heal-debuffing all enemies near the target, and damaging the target heavily. Add in Reflective Light for a nice ranged aoe dd+snare that also adds to your spell critical chance, Spear Shards (great utility, and morphed to the ground DoT will proc the spear passive as well) for damage/mez/providing stamina to allies, and a class-based charge+aoe-on-landing (yes, it has its quirks... so does every other charge-type skill in ESO) and Eclipse which morphed not only reflects spells (and now fixed, you don't suffer any skill lockout using it) but also can be cast on multiple enemies to then either explode (Unstable morph) or heal you (the other morph) each time anything is reflected, and in PVP forces the enemy to choose whether to CC break or not cast (either action diminishes their effectiveness), along with others, and you round out one heck of a great package.

There are more good builds and great combinations you can make in ESO than what you see on people's youtube blog-ad sites. Try making some for yourself . I also sincerely doubt any game dev worth their salt has a "bias" or "lack of professionalism" to a class in their game on a project of this scale... there's no reason for them to in the first place, and there's certainly no evidence of such either.

drogon1 wrote: »

Lyzaaa wrote: »

keybaud wrote: »

Everyone needs to stop going on about things being OP and UP. Templar is not disregarded by ZOS and it CAN do very good DPS. Check out "http://Deltiasgaming.com"

He has a build called 'Omega' for Templar DPS and it is insane in PvP for DPS and for PvE. You can also check it out on youtube:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUIm-vu-cw
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbhFBFYYfs8

So don't complain that Templar is 'Not cared For' and 'Can't do Good DPS' because it can.

roflmao deltia doesnt make pvp builds.Hes a player that plasy 24/7 has top notch gear everything, more experience with the game than anyone, and all he doesis stomp non vet PvP..

I mean i took quick peak at his first build and all he made is a freakin jesus beam bot. It has huge magicka and spell power but that doesnt take a genious to make, you really think such a simple build noone coudl come up with?

It's not a genious solution to the templar issues. In fact if that char goes into cyrodiil, with that low regen and armor, he's gonna get rekt b4 even being able to do anything.

EDIT: noticed the first vid was a PvE built..

the 2nd build does seem to a bit better but nontheless.. well w/e just disregard this im not gonna waste time explaining.. No offense to deltia but he's not the guy to watch PvPing.

Deltia posts PvP builds also, and he's fine to "watch" for PvP as he clearly loves playing the whole game and posting creative builds that he creates himself or learns from others. "all he doesis stomp non vet PvP" - just go away...

Eh, I've looked at one of his builds to see what all the fuss was about and didn't come back impressed, I'll leave it at that. He does re-post a lot of builds he sees on forums as his own (one example being the Sun craze that sparked from his youtube video copied basically wholesale from Wrath here on these forums, which had been around since the patch 1.2 days when trials first came out anyways even to boot). I have also seen many builds mentioned in game guild (trade guild) or zone chats suddenly be talked about as "his new build" by random people in-game hours or days later. Like most streamers, not all of course though, it's more for entertainment purposes than actually learning great builds or in-depth gameplay information. Not that there can't be any good information that does come up, but it's like watching a Linus Tech Tips stream: it's a presentation aimed more at a general audience to be flashy and fun, not targeted for substance. Like I said... there are a million better (and worse) builds you can come up with inside of 15-20 minutes in-game if you just sit a moment and think about how to set up a well-synergized character. Cookie cutter ones found on youtube are great to watch for fun and if you're not really into the game much, a starting point, but otherwise you're much better served making one for yourself in short order.

Follow the usual RPG strategies like you'd find in here, and you'll be in great shape.

F7sus4

Dredlord wrote: »

Every MMO Has One, ESO has the Templar

You mean DKs.

Dredlord

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Dredlord wrote: »

As with players Devs have their favourites. As I have moved from mmo to mmo over the years I have noticed I move from class type to class type as my favourite and sometimes have a distaste for what I played in the last one.

I can't imagine a Dev is any different and of course in every game you can see it, maybe not at first but soon it becomes obvious, there is one class that no one one the team gives a f*** about...

A couple examples I remember most clearly. Vanilla Wow had its Druid, Guildwars 2 has its Necro. I'm sure you can think many others if it was the class you mained in other games

It wasn't so clear to me about the Templar until recently when all of a sudden in the bug compilation thread the message comes for near all of the bugs posted "working as intended".

There is a point where a dev team proves their professionalism and overcomes their bias or doesn't.

There is an overwhelming amount of feedback on these forums about the performance of the class and whether working as intended should be intended.

Will the Dev team allow the console release to happen with a clunky half broken class? a game with only 4 classes and a fraction of the class abilities most MMO's have to balance.

It's time to take notice ZOS, working as intended is not an acceptable answer anymore.

I'm having trouble telling if this is satirical or not. Class balance is actually extremely close at this point in time across most roles. Templars in particular remain the most versatile, but also now as good as every other class in everything except healing, where they excel and do so at a level above the others thanks to extremely strong class-based Breath of Life (which a Dragonknight, often complained about for green dragon blood which is simply 33% of your missing (not total) health, could only dream of having such a high level of instant healing, which not only then hits themselves but also 2 allies for much of the amount, the main target can be crit-healed for upwards of a full health bar on high gear setups), Ritual of Rebirth, and Remembrance. Rune Focus also is great for the extra armor and magicka regen which even works in pvp for example while in mist form as it's a regen "buff".

On the damage front, they have heal jabs which count as several hits against block and are extremely high healing for yourself to boot while often dealing a good chunk of extra damage from a 25% chance at a moderately-sized damage proc from their spear passives, and have Dark Flare which self-Empowers and can sustain extremely high damage while buffing everyone, heal-debuffing all enemies near the target, and damaging the target heavily. Add in Reflective Light for a nice ranged aoe dd+snare that also adds to your spell critical chance, Spear Shards (great utility, and morphed to the ground DoT will proc the spear passive as well) for damage/mez/providing stamina to allies, and a class-based charge+aoe-on-landing (yes, it has its quirks... so does every other charge-type skill in ESO) and Eclipse which morphed not only reflects spells (and now fixed, you don't suffer any skill lockout using it) but also can be cast on multiple enemies to then either explode (Unstable morph) or heal you (the other morph) each time anything is reflected, and in PVP forces the enemy to choose whether to CC break or not cast (either action diminishes their effectiveness), along with others, and you round out one heck of a great package.

There are more good builds and great combinations you can make in ESO than what you see on people's youtube blog-ad sites. Try making some for yourself . I also sincerely doubt any game dev worth their salt has a "bias" or "lack of professionalism" to a class in their game on a project of this scale... there's no reason for them to in the first place, and there's certainly no evidence of such either.

drogon1 wrote: »

Lyzaaa wrote: »

keybaud wrote: »

Everyone needs to stop going on about things being OP and UP. Templar is not disregarded by ZOS and it CAN do very good DPS. Check out "http://Deltiasgaming.com"

He has a build called 'Omega' for Templar DPS and it is insane in PvP for DPS and for PvE. You can also check it out on youtube:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUIm-vu-cw
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbhFBFYYfs8

So don't complain that Templar is 'Not cared For' and 'Can't do Good DPS' because it can.

roflmao deltia doesnt make pvp builds.Hes a player that plasy 24/7 has top notch gear everything, more experience with the game than anyone, and all he doesis stomp non vet PvP..

I mean i took quick peak at his first build and all he made is a freakin jesus beam bot. It has huge magicka and spell power but that doesnt take a genious to make, you really think such a simple build noone coudl come up with?

It's not a genious solution to the templar issues. In fact if that char goes into cyrodiil, with that low regen and armor, he's gonna get rekt b4 even being able to do anything.

EDIT: noticed the first vid was a PvE built..

the 2nd build does seem to a bit better but nontheless.. well w/e just disregard this im not gonna waste time explaining.. No offense to deltia but he's not the guy to watch PvPing.

Deltia posts PvP builds also, and he's fine to "watch" for PvP as he clearly loves playing the whole game and posting creative builds that he creates himself or learns from others. "all he doesis stomp non vet PvP" - just go away...

Eh, I've looked at one of his builds to see what all the fuss was about and didn't come back impressed, I'll leave it at that. He does re-post a lot of builds he sees on forums as his own (one example being the Sun craze that sparked from his youtube video copied basically wholesale from Wrath here on these forums, which had been around since the patch 1.2 days when trials first came out anyways even to boot). I have also seen many builds mentioned in game guild (trade guild) or zone chats suddenly be talked about as "his new build" by random people in-game hours or days later. Like most streamers, not all of course though, it's more for entertainment purposes than actually learning great builds or in-depth gameplay information. Not that there can't be any good information that does come up, but it's like watching a Linus Tech Tips stream: it's a presentation aimed more at a general audience to be flashy and fun, not targeted for substance. Like I said... there are a million better (and worse) builds you can come up with inside of 15-20 minutes in-game if you just sit a moment and think about how to set up a well-synergized character. Cookie cutter ones found on youtube are great to watch for fun and if you're not really into the game much, a starting point, but otherwise you're much better served making one for yourself in short order.

Follow the usual RPG strategies like you'd find in here, and you'll be in great shape.

there is so much misinformation here I don't even know where to start.

All I can say is it's blatantly obvious you don't play templar post 1.6

Try to add something to the thread other than parroting class skill descriptions.

Junkogen

Add Argonian to the list of things the devs don't care about. Every other race has gotten boosted but Argonians got nerfed.

Attorneyatlawl

Dredlord wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

Dredlord wrote: »

As with players Devs have their favourites. As I have moved from mmo to mmo over the years I have noticed I move from class type to class type as my favourite and sometimes have a distaste for what I played in the last one.

I can't imagine a Dev is any different and of course in every game you can see it, maybe not at first but soon it becomes obvious, there is one class that no one one the team gives a f*** about...

A couple examples I remember most clearly. Vanilla Wow had its Druid, Guildwars 2 has its Necro. I'm sure you can think many others if it was the class you mained in other games

It wasn't so clear to me about the Templar until recently when all of a sudden in the bug compilation thread the message comes for near all of the bugs posted "working as intended".

There is a point where a dev team proves their professionalism and overcomes their bias or doesn't.

There is an overwhelming amount of feedback on these forums about the performance of the class and whether working as intended should be intended.

Will the Dev team allow the console release to happen with a clunky half broken class? a game with only 4 classes and a fraction of the class abilities most MMO's have to balance.

It's time to take notice ZOS, working as intended is not an acceptable answer anymore.

I'm having trouble telling if this is satirical or not. Class balance is actually extremely close at this point in time across most roles. Templars in particular remain the most versatile, but also now as good as every other class in everything except healing, where they excel and do so at a level above the others thanks to extremely strong class-based Breath of Life (which a Dragonknight, often complained about for green dragon blood which is simply 33% of your missing (not total) health, could only dream of having such a high level of instant healing, which not only then hits themselves but also 2 allies for much of the amount, the main target can be crit-healed for upwards of a full health bar on high gear setups), Ritual of Rebirth, and Remembrance. Rune Focus also is great for the extra armor and magicka regen which even works in pvp for example while in mist form as it's a regen "buff".

On the damage front, they have heal jabs which count as several hits against block and are extremely high healing for yourself to boot while often dealing a good chunk of extra damage from a 25% chance at a moderately-sized damage proc from their spear passives, and have Dark Flare which self-Empowers and can sustain extremely high damage while buffing everyone, heal-debuffing all enemies near the target, and damaging the target heavily. Add in Reflective Light for a nice ranged aoe dd+snare that also adds to your spell critical chance, Spear Shards (great utility, and morphed to the ground DoT will proc the spear passive as well) for damage/mez/providing stamina to allies, and a class-based charge+aoe-on-landing (yes, it has its quirks... so does every other charge-type skill in ESO) and Eclipse which morphed not only reflects spells (and now fixed, you don't suffer any skill lockout using it) but also can be cast on multiple enemies to then either explode (Unstable morph) or heal you (the other morph) each time anything is reflected, and in PVP forces the enemy to choose whether to CC break or not cast (either action diminishes their effectiveness), along with others, and you round out one heck of a great package.

There are more good builds and great combinations you can make in ESO than what you see on people's youtube blog-ad sites. Try making some for yourself . I also sincerely doubt any game dev worth their salt has a "bias" or "lack of professionalism" to a class in their game on a project of this scale... there's no reason for them to in the first place, and there's certainly no evidence of such either.

drogon1 wrote: »

Lyzaaa wrote: »

keybaud wrote: »

Everyone needs to stop going on about things being OP and UP. Templar is not disregarded by ZOS and it CAN do very good DPS. Check out "http://Deltiasgaming.com"

He has a build called 'Omega' for Templar DPS and it is insane in PvP for DPS and for PvE. You can also check it out on youtube:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUIm-vu-cw
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbhFBFYYfs8

So don't complain that Templar is 'Not cared For' and 'Can't do Good DPS' because it can.

roflmao deltia doesnt make pvp builds.Hes a player that plasy 24/7 has top notch gear everything, more experience with the game than anyone, and all he doesis stomp non vet PvP..

I mean i took quick peak at his first build and all he made is a freakin jesus beam bot. It has huge magicka and spell power but that doesnt take a genious to make, you really think such a simple build noone coudl come up with?

It's not a genious solution to the templar issues. In fact if that char goes into cyrodiil, with that low regen and armor, he's gonna get rekt b4 even being able to do anything.

EDIT: noticed the first vid was a PvE built..

the 2nd build does seem to a bit better but nontheless.. well w/e just disregard this im not gonna waste time explaining.. No offense to deltia but he's not the guy to watch PvPing.

Deltia posts PvP builds also, and he's fine to "watch" for PvP as he clearly loves playing the whole game and posting creative builds that he creates himself or learns from others. "all he doesis stomp non vet PvP" - just go away...

Eh, I've looked at one of his builds to see what all the fuss was about and didn't come back impressed, I'll leave it at that. He does re-post a lot of builds he sees on forums as his own (one example being the Sun craze that sparked from his youtube video copied basically wholesale from Wrath here on these forums, which had been around since the patch 1.2 days when trials first came out anyways even to boot). I have also seen many builds mentioned in game guild (trade guild) or zone chats suddenly be talked about as "his new build" by random people in-game hours or days later. Like most streamers, not all of course though, it's more for entertainment purposes than actually learning great builds or in-depth gameplay information. Not that there can't be any good information that does come up, but it's like watching a Linus Tech Tips stream: it's a presentation aimed more at a general audience to be flashy and fun, not targeted for substance. Like I said... there are a million better (and worse) builds you can come up with inside of 15-20 minutes in-game if you just sit a moment and think about how to set up a well-synergized character. Cookie cutter ones found on youtube are great to watch for fun and if you're not really into the game much, a starting point, but otherwise you're much better served making one for yourself in short order.

Follow the usual RPG strategies like you'd find in here, and you'll be in great shape.

there is so much misinformation here I don't even know where to start.

All I can say is it's blatantly obvious you don't play templar post 1.6

Try to add something to the thread other than parroting class skill descriptions.

Thanks for your insight.