Killer's Blade

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

So I have been looking at this wondering why the hell and with no good anwser coming to me I will just ask.

Why is it that Killer's Blade goes off of Stamina and Weapon damage but does magic damage this completely waste CP as the points I have are for Physical damage not magic would like to know the reasoning behind this illogical move it cost stamina, scales from weapon damage but does magic damage in 1.5 this wouldn't matter but with buffs from CP this is a pretty big deal

daswahnsinn

I know this may sound off topic, but I think when they added the CP system we should be able to see the effects. When I put points into 'mighty' I should see something in my character stats, or points into 'mooncalf' I should see my stamina regen go up. So the whole concept is great I just don't think is works. I see performance improvement.

Back to the topic. That is the one of the worst tooltips for nightblades and have often wondered about this ability and what it scales off of when you morph it to stamina. I think magicka dmg should be replaced with physical dmg.

TheSunAlsoRises

i agree. still hits harder than anything else but my nb is v2 and has 1700 weapon damage or so in DW.

Pirhana7_ESO

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

So I have been looking at this wondering why the hell and with no good anwser coming to me I will just ask.

Why is it that Killer's Blade goes off of Stamina and Weapon damage but does magic damage this completely waste CP as the points I have are for Physical damage not magic would like to know the reasoning behind this illogical move it cost stamina, scales from weapon damage but does magic damage in 1.5 this wouldn't matter but with buffs from CP this is a pretty big deal

As far as i know Killers blade does physical damage along with Suprise Attack / Concealed Weapon, and Ambush. It was also tested and said that these NB class skills damage is also based off of the targets armor not magic resists.

Bouvin

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

So I have been looking at this wondering why the hell and with no good anwser coming to me I will just ask.

Why is it that Killer's Blade goes off of Stamina and Weapon damage but does magic damage this completely waste CP as the points I have are for Physical damage not magic would like to know the reasoning behind this illogical move it cost stamina, scales from weapon damage but does magic damage in 1.5 this wouldn't matter but with buffs from CP this is a pretty big deal

One of the many many tooltips that are incorrect because they missed them when they did the conversions in 1.6.

Synozeer

It's also bugged, where it will often times heal someone nearby rather than healing you.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

So I have been looking at this wondering why the hell and with no good anwser coming to me I will just ask.

Why is it that Killer's Blade goes off of Stamina and Weapon damage but does magic damage this completely waste CP as the points I have are for Physical damage not magic would like to know the reasoning behind this illogical move it cost stamina, scales from weapon damage but does magic damage in 1.5 this wouldn't matter but with buffs from CP this is a pretty big deal

As far as i know Killers blade does physical damage along with Suprise Attack / Concealed Weapon, and Ambush. It was also tested and said that these NB class skills damage is also based off of the targets armor not magic resists.

it's not about the armor or Spell resis it's the CP that give bonuses to Physical damage a bonus that is not applied to Killer's Blade because it deals magic damage

Smaxx

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

As far as i know Killers blade does physical damage along with Suprise Attack / Concealed Weapon, and Ambush. It was also tested and said that these NB class skills damage is also based off of the targets armor not magic resists.

At least for me the UI event generated (and shown in addons such as Combat Cloud) suggests that the damage of Killer's Blade is indeed magic damage. Are you sure about this? How did you test it?

Synozeer

Smaxx wrote: »

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

As far as i know Killers blade does physical damage along with Suprise Attack / Concealed Weapon, and Ambush. It was also tested and said that these NB class skills damage is also based off of the targets armor not magic resists.

At least for me the UI event generated (and shown in addons such as Combat Cloud) suggests that the damage of Killer's Blade is indeed magic damage. Are you sure about this? How did you test it?

I had someone cast Harness Magicka and I attacked them with Killer's Blade. The Harness shield did not absorb it.

Mantic0r3

killer blade does deal magic dmg it is not spell however, therefor harness shield doesnt do anything.

pure "magic" dmg is often done by stamina users and is also part of the stamina tree in CP (increase poison,magic and something else all in one).

the casters are mostly doing elemental dmg of some kind..

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

Mantic0r3 wrote: »

killer blade does deal magic dmg it is not spell however, therefor harness shield doesnt do anything.

pure "magic" dmg is often done by stamina users and is also part of the stamina tree in CP (increase poison,magic and something else all in one).

the casters are mostly doing elemental dmg of some kind..

The problem with that is their are only 3 poison powers in the game all in the Bow because of the CP for Physical damage I don't take the Poison Morphs Poison arrow is the only poison damage I do my magic is pure utility so I don't waste points their as most stamina do the same wasting points for one power on one weapon with two other perks of that tree buff two class attacks (should be three with Killers Blade) and all stamina weapons powers but one Poison Arrow cause it's always poison damage.

People pick CP placement for a reason doing more damage and ignoring x% armor is a big deal more so for an execute

Synozeer

Mantic0r3 wrote: »

killer blade does deal magic dmg it is not spell however, therefor harness shield doesnt do anything.

pure "magic" dmg is often done by stamina users and is also part of the stamina tree in CP (increase poison,magic and something else all in one).

the casters are mostly doing elemental dmg of some kind..

Harness will absorb my disease weapon enchant and that is not a spell either, so I'm not sure how exactly how it determines what is magic/spell and what isn't. Guess the best way to test would be to try out Killer's Blade on a target, then try it again after putting a CP into increase Magic (or physical) damage to see if it changes.

Mantic0r3

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Mantic0r3 wrote: »

killer blade does deal magic dmg it is not spell however, therefor harness shield doesnt do anything.

pure "magic" dmg is often done by stamina users and is also part of the stamina tree in CP (increase poison,magic and something else all in one).

the casters are mostly doing elemental dmg of some kind..

The problem with that is their are only 3 poison powers in the game all in the Bow because of the CP for Physical damage I don't take the Poison Morphs Poison arrow is the only poison damage I do my magic is pure utility so I don't waste points their as most stamina do the same wasting points for one power on one weapon with two other perks of that tree buff two class attacks (should be three with Killers Blade) and all stamina weapons powers but one Poison Arrow cause it's always poison damage.

People pick CP placement for a reason doing more damage and ignoring x% armor is a big deal more so for an execute

poison is pretty rare yes but pure magic isnt, alot of ultis do it and stamina NB and Temp have a lot of skills doing pure magic dmg, do I like it? no not really but the CP to increase magic damage is good and so far everything we talked about in this thread is working as intended

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

I only use Physical damage and bleed and with Ultimates scale from your highest stats now so using CP to buff magic is a waste, if you don't damage with magic outside of Ultimates. As a Nightblade we have a fair number of Stamina class powers that tie in great with all four stamina weapons. I know and understand many stamina builds use magic for damage but I have stamina DoTs, burst and executes that's why my magic is utility I don't buff magic cause I shouldn't have to.

But play style aside a power that draws Stamina and use weapon power should not be stopped by Absorb Magica and it is. My Death Stoke being absorbed is okay it's magic but Killer's Blade should be Physical damage @ZOS_BasileA @ZOS can a member of @ZOS answer why this power works this way?