Proposal: one minute cooldown on wrecking blow

JDar

could you handle that?

Yes it is another qq thread

Sheezabeast

What? No! A 2h skill that costs as much stam to cast as WB should not have a cooldown. Its a 2 handed weapon, it should have an ability like wrecking blow that is powerful!

Lettigall

Let me guess, someone hit through your sorc shields and now the skill that was used to do it needs to be nerfed!

JDar

Not sure I would call it a "skill"

Sheezabeast

JDar wrote: »

Not sure I would call it a "skill"

uh, don't be opening that can of worms. You might offend the snipe spammers ;D

Lettigall

JDar wrote: »

Not sure I would call it a "skill"

So what is WB if not skill? It's in 2 handed weapon skill line...

ScruffyWhiskers

I got a Masters Great Sword (third one so far) and a Masters Bow as a pvp reward today. I feel like the game is telling me that I need to go stamina. I prefer magicka melee but maybe I should give it another shot. Dark side here I come.

Artemiisia

wrecking blow is fine, if u cant keep your shields up its on you

Ara_Valleria

one minute .... xD

iseko

No. And I dont even use it. Just... No

k2blader

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

I got a Masters Great Sword (third one so far) and a Masters Bow as a pvp reward today. I feel like the game is telling me that I need to go stamina. I prefer magicka melee but maybe I should give it another shot. Dark side here I come.

I recall your posts about finding sorcs a bit difficult-- as you go to the dark side you'll find your former concerns melting away along with the pulverized remains of the light-armored magicka-burp slingers.

Cody

NO.

its hard enough getting thru all the snares and knockbacks.

its hard enough keeping up with BE users

its hard enough dealing with roll dodges and block casters

its hard enough dealing with the fact one can simply walk thru the enemy player and stop WB from even activating.

Learn to dodge/block it. its fine as it is

mrvbalc

I cant kill a DK cause of wings nerf it,
I cant survive DK is talons nerf it
I cant survive WB nerf it,
I cant roll dodge jesus beam nerf it
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and so on


L2P

Nivzruo_ESO

Sounds great, but only after you put a 1 min CD on sorc ward & crystal frags.

k2blader

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

Sounds great, but only after you put a 1 min CD on sorc ward & crystal frags.

So you think it'd be fair to nerf 2 sorc class abilities for the price of 1 weapon ability?

Kelleton

The problem is the hardest hitting abilities should not have a CC tied into them.

Abilities in general should be set up like this:

Pure damage abilities - highest dps
Damage abilities with short cc - medium dps
Pure CC - lowest to no DPS

A lot plays into those ranks including dots and buffs but in general a damage ability with a cc built in. The main problem is the lack of abilities to chose from.

I have been playing a stamina DK since release and I have very few options to choose from in terms of damage abilities. I either use wrecking blow as the bread and butter or I use....well exactly.

my main bar has a gap closer, a melee hitting ability, a defensive ability, a finisher and a buff

what would you slot as the melee hitting ability if not wrecking blow?

Teargrants

#amidoinitrite?

k2blader

Kelleton wrote: »

The problem is the hardest hitting abilities should not have a CC tied into them.

I think if a CC is tied in, you need to also consider the armor-preference and ranged/melee class/build, e.g. ranged damage-dealers are naturally squishier and need CC to help kite.

Abilities in general should be set up like this:

Pure damage abilities - highest dps
Damage abilities with short cc - medium dps
Pure CC - lowest to no DPS

Copying & pasting from ESOhead so I hope the numbers are correct:

Wrecking Blow:
Knock back - 4 meters
Stun - 3.5 seconds
Special - Grants you Empower for 5 seconds, increasing the damage of your next attack by 20%

Crystal Fragments:
Knock down - 2 seconds
Special - Casting other spells has a 35% chance of causing your next Crystal Fragments to be instant, doing 20% more damage, and costing 50% less Magicka

So to be in line with your assertion, Crystal Frags *should* be hitting noticeably harder than Wrecking Blow. Is it? I think that may depend on build/skill (including armor type) and whether one is "utilizing" the Nirn bug. Also, CPs make it much easier to mitigate magicka damage, whereas not much against physical damage.

A lot plays into those ranks including dots and buffs but in general a damage ability with a cc built in. The main problem is the lack of abilities to chose from.

I have been playing a stamina DK since release and I have very few options to choose from in terms of damage abilities. I either use wrecking blow as the bread and butter or I use....well exactly.

my main bar has a gap closer, a melee hitting ability, a defensive ability, a finisher and a buff

I think it's about the same for every class. I think this is the natural result of abilities not having cooldowns, not to mention the limit on skill bars.

what would you slot as the melee hitting ability if not wrecking blow?

If I had a melee char I wanted to play (big if) I'd probably go WB too. At this point in time it's just the "sensible" thing to do. I think it's bad design.

kijima

Sure, I'm fine with a one minute cool down on Wrecking blow.

While we are there, perhaps a 1 minute cool down on cloak and a 1 minute cool down with crystal fragments.

JDar

You guys are right I was just huttburt about an encounter

2 handers are pretty easy to deal with as a nightblade TBH I just got caught with my pants down

Lot of good 2h players out there, sorry for dissing y'all

JDar

Teargrants wrote: »

#amidoinitrite?

lol yes hahaha

jnjdun_ESO

Oh Jeez...let's just put various cool downs on all the abilities. How about a 1-2 second global cool down on basic attacks. Heck, while we're at it why don’t we add in tab lock targeting, stick, assist macros, auto attack.
/sarcasm

Not having these things is what makes the PvP fun imo.

I have faith that they will eventually get around to fixing the glaring issues...

JDar

jnjdun_ESO wrote: »

Oh Jeez...let's just put various cool downs on all the abilities. How about a 1-2 second global cool down on basic attacks. Heck, while we're at it why don’t we add in tab lock targeting, stick, assist macros, auto attack.
/sarcasm

Not having these things is what makes the PvP fun imo.

I have faith that they will eventually get around to fixing the glaring issues...

No I only meant cooldowns on the abilities that bads spam

Tintinabula

as opposed to to the one minute wind up?

FireCowCommando

Just give it the same chance to bug out in animation for 20-30 seconds like the Templar Charge - Fixed! =D

jelliedsoup

sorcs are cross as they're not used to taking damage.

nerf hardened ward. its stupid. whats that? you'd die if you didnt have it?.lol.

smtdbplus

My horse feed is 20 hours, WB should have CD longer than that. Lets make it 24 hours cooldown.

The_Drexill

It's crazy that people are still getting noobed by wrecking blow. It's balanced, you just have to be smarter than the mouse in your hand.

Nivzruo_ESO

k2blader wrote: »

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

Sounds great, but only after you put a 1 min CD on sorc ward & crystal frags.

So you think it'd be fair to nerf 2 sorc class abilities for the price of 1 weapon ability?

No, I think the 2 sorc abilities should be nerfed regardless, if you wanna take WB down a notch as well I'm fine with that.

PeggymoeXD

Tintinabula wrote: »

as opposed to to the one minute wind up?

haha this

Cody

Tintinabula wrote: »

as opposed to to the one minute wind up?

I remember when it had a 3 second cast time and was interrupt-able....