If fear gets nerfed into uselessness, I want a class based self heal

Cody

nothing more to say

Teargrants

-Point at clanfear cast time-

Careful what you wish for.

Cthalion

Nightblades are pretty overpowered honestly. I say that as a NB. Giving a heal will just lead to more cries for nerfs. So no, totally disagree.

jelliedsoup

make cloak and cripple work.

remove stealth detection pptions.

remove fear .

Auricle

While you're at it, ZoS, I want a damn pony. Not a small horse. A g-d PONY.

Seri

jelliedsoup wrote: »

make cloak and cripple work.

remove stealth detection pptions.

Reduce radius perhaps but not remove. I used to run without stealth pots actively in my quickslot bar until I came across a NB who either had a mostly working cloak or stealth wasn't being broken by 'in combat'. He kept hitting me in near-melee range 2 or 3 times before ducking out for a short period for a good 45s straight. I felt like I was being toyed with

Tankqull

jelliedsoup wrote: »

make cloak and cripple work.

remove stealth detection pptions.

remove fear .

pots can only be removed if the 3sec of stealth provided by cloak would be the only stealth option in game. on the other hand that 3sec cloak window should be unaffected by pots though.

the only thing about fear that needs to be changed is that it needs to be instantly breaked by break free on a 100% reliablity.

LtCrunch

Tankqull wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

make cloak and cripple work.

remove stealth detection pptions.

remove fear .

pots can only be removed if the 3sec of stealth provided by cloak would be the only stealth option in game. on the other hand that 3sec cloak window should be unaffected by pots though.

the only thing about fear that needs to be changed is that it needs to be instantly breaked by break free on a 100% reliablity.

Fear(among a few other hard CC's) also needs to grant CC immunity like all the rest of hard CC's. Regardless if you CC break or let the CC run it's course.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

Brandalf wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

make cloak and cripple work.

remove stealth detection pptions.

remove fear .

pots can only be removed if the 3sec of stealth provided by cloak would be the only stealth option in game. on the other hand that 3sec cloak window should be unaffected by pots though.

the only thing about fear that needs to be changed is that it needs to be instantly breaked by break free on a 100% reliablity.

Fear(among a few other hard CC's) also needs to grant CC immunity like all the rest of hard CC's. Regardless if you CC break or let the CC run it's course.

How many times do I have to say this.....you get CC immunity from being feared from not only break free but even if you let it run its course. The immunity last just as long as the snare and maim rebuff.

cozmon3c_ESO

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

Brandalf wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

make cloak and cripple work.

remove stealth detection pptions.

remove fear .

pots can only be removed if the 3sec of stealth provided by cloak would be the only stealth option in game. on the other hand that 3sec cloak window should be unaffected by pots though.

the only thing about fear that needs to be changed is that it needs to be instantly breaked by break free on a 100% reliablity.

Fear(among a few other hard CC's) also needs to grant CC immunity like all the rest of hard CC's. Regardless if you CC break or let the CC run it's course.

How many times do I have to say this.....you get CC immunity from being feared from not only break free but even if you let it run its course. The immunity last just as long as the snare and maim rebuff.

you meant to say sometimes you get cc immunity if it runs it course, most the time it doesnt.

Snit

Fear shouldn't be nerfed. Bugfixed, perhaps, but not nerfed.

People just have to get used to the fact that classes they don't play are nonetheless permitted to have a few really good class skills.

Hey... it could happen. Maybe.

cozmon3c_ESO

Snit wrote: »

Fear shouldn't be nerfed. Bugfixed, perhaps, but not nerfed.

People just have to get used to the fact that classes they don't play are nonetheless permitted to have a few really good class skills.

Hey... it could happen. Maybe.

well where is the skillful counter to fear? there are good skills and then there are blatently unavoidable overpowered skills that set you up for burst damage that you cant avoid.

cschwingeb14_ESO

Aside from bug fixes, fear is still too good as an AE, insta cast, long duration hard cc.

Making it break on non-dot damage would be one fix.

Adding a cast time would be another option

Making break free from fear cost less would be another (or make break free while under the effects of fear restore x stamina over 5 second, if that is easier to code)

Make fear single target 15' ranged base, with AE trap morph, would be another option

Emma_Overload

Fear doesn't need to be nerfed, but blocking needs to be BUFFED so that it can block Fear like any other spell effect.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Fear doesn't need to be nerfed, but blocking needs to be BUFFED so that it can block Fear like any other spell effect.

I respectfully disagree. I know "making sense" goes out the window in a game where people throw magic fireballs, but the idea of being able to block a telepathic compulsion/illusion magic with a shield doesn't feel right to me.

As a Nightblade with Mass Hysteria on my back bar, I would much rather see the skill break on damage. Or even require a channel. It NEEDS to be a soft CC if it's going to stay AoE.

Or maybe if they want to keep it as a hard stun, make it single target?

But yeah, from a lore perspective I can't see anyone being able to counter a Psijic's telepathy (or any other lore-appropriate explanation for mind magic) with a shield or a piece of metal.

heystreethawk

jelliedsoup wrote: »

make cloak and cripple work.

Cloak works fine. I would know, because I roleplay as a Klingon Bird of Prey. Cripple works fine; it's not supposed to literally cripple someone, like remove the use of their legs or numb all of their sensation "down south", if that's what you're referring to. It can be blocked, and there are abilities which grant a temporary snare immunity, if that's why you think it doesn't work.

Draehl

Hi there. Magicka NB here we're not all broken stamina build and need fear, thanks! (PS, increase the magicka cost if you like)

monkeymystic

Cody wrote: »

nothing more to say

You have self heal HoTs, as well as an invisible escape that removes dots....what more do you want? the ability to fly?

NBs are op as hell as it is.

Lyzaaa

Why'd u need a heal if ur the tankiest class out there?

(roll dodge is the best mitigation in the game)

Lets talk about taht 30% stamina regen passive shall we?

tist

I'm cool with removing fear. Just make cripple an instant travel and root the enemy for 2 seconds.

Cody

monkeymystic wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

nothing more to say

You have self heal HoTs, as well as an invisible escape that removes dots....what more do you want? the ability to fly?

NBs are op as hell as it is.

the self heals are pure garbage and only work based on damage done, which means almost no healing due to the block cast/damage shield spam meta.

the cloak lasts 2.5 seconds and can be broken by potions, AOE attacks, mage light, flares, caltrops, and other counters.

OP as hell? no. far from it.

Cody

Lyzaaa wrote: »

Why'd u need a heal if ur the tankiest class out there?

(roll dodge is the best mitigation in the game)

Lets talk about taht 30% stamina regen passive shall we?

seemingly infinite roll dodge is not specific to NBs. any class can do it. the 30% extra regan is just a bonus. Players can roll dodge a crap ton of times due to game mechanics, not one class.

and trust me, a DK is MUCH tankier than a NB, save if its a saptank tanking 15 people at once that dont know how to fight it. a sorc is much tankier than a NB due to hardened ward, and templars... i dont need to go into detail about them:)

and no, i am not calling the other 3 classes OP, merely stating fact.

Varicite

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

Aside from bug fixes, fear is still too good as an AE, insta cast, long duration hard cc.

Making it break on non-dot damage would be one fix.

Adding a cast time would be another option

Making break free from fear cost less would be another (or make break free while under the effects of fear restore x stamina over 5 second, if that is easier to code)

Make fear single target 15' ranged base, with AE trap morph, would be another option

1) Costs WAY too much for this. Every CC that breaks on damage also lasts 3-5 times as long.

2) Cast time would kill it entirely. See Agony and Rune Prison.

3) lol, break free costs less from 1 CC only? No. Not even worth more of a response than that.

4) So you want to give us Fossilize instead? Also, no to AE traps, nobody uses the ones in the game we have, why add another worthless skill?

Kahrgan

If you get feared, just breakout... You already have a counter, use it.

Bouvin

Another OMG a Nightblade killed me so nerf them thread.

Well, I've been dying a lot to sorc lately to please nerf Hardened Ward, Bolt Escape, and Crystal Fragments.

Also... a few templars have gotten me with radiant destructions in group fights. So please nerf that. Oh ya, and biting jabs too. but don't nerf their heals.. I like getting my heals.

DKs have already been nerfed pretty hard. But hey, since they were king for so long don't leave them out, lets remove Flame lash and Igneous shield too.. so that way they can be gimp.

Then lets remove fear.

Davadin

Auricle wrote: »

While you're at it, ZoS, I want a damn pony. Not a small horse. A g-d PONY.

can Nords have... extra large horses too? One of them heavy winter horse breeds?

Ara_Valleria

OMG IM GETTING WRECKED BY NBs 24/7 !! NERF THESE OP FEARING HACKERS !! NERF THEM INTO OBLIVION !! (or morrowind)



sick and tired of all this qq...
You get cc immunity from breaking fear. Always.

klink012

Nerf fear to the extent they nerfed the Sorc's ability: CRIT SURGE!! Damn OP Sorcs!

Cody

Bouvin wrote: »

Another OMG a Nightblade killed me so nerf them thread.

Well, I've been dying a lot to sorc lately to please nerf Hardened Ward, Bolt Escape, and Crystal Fragments.

Also... a few templars have gotten me with radiant destructions in group fights. So please nerf that. Oh ya, and biting jabs too. but don't nerf their heals.. I like getting my heals.

DKs have already been nerfed pretty hard. But hey, since they were king for so long don't leave them out, lets remove Flame lash and Igneous shield too.. so that way they can be gimp.

Then lets remove fear.

I am not asking for a nerf. read the title.

i did not read the rest of your reply. if you will not read my title, i will not read your reply.

Spangla

Add cooldown to role dodge.

Change hardened ward to scale with health.

Game fixed.

Spangla

This really has nothing to do with fear and everything to do with being able to avoid all damage in between fears.