I always thought of it more as our raid just happens to follow me around while I solo. =\ Also, I'm no longer 'one of the best sorcs in the game', I'm pretty sure I bolt escaped out of the game w/ my regen.I mean, take Teargrants. One of the best sorcs in the game, well recognized as a skilled solo/small-man player. That he runs in larger raids with me doesn't take away from that, and it would be shortsighted to think otherwise.
PS @Teargrants I'm just kidding, you actually suck. Stack more magica regen.
.michaelpatterson wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »So much AOE that it is hard to tell what is going on.
Oh, didn't you know? This is their speciality-blob AOE spamming everyone to death, including ZOS. They literally kill the game.the sad thing is havoc actually thinks that theyre good. you know back in the day the best guilds ran like 12 man max groups, i think havoc is more like the EG of ep. zergers and pug herders of the game.
Opinions are like <snip>holes. And yet some people actually think their's and their's alone is the <snip>, Nala. The game is designed to group 24 people. I don't really give a rip what the "best" guilds did back when you walked up hill to school in 6 feet of snow. People group 24 because they CAN. Because it is EFFECTIVE. And because they have that many or more that WANT to run with them. Then all the elitists sit here on this forum and wise crack and insult the guilds who are actually trying to play the game it is meant to play. I don't QQ about zergs and don't understand why anyone does. It's just more ap to farm or more to do the farming with. Whatev. Havoc can zerg all day for all I care. I take issue when they usher in lag and everyone around them sees death drops in fps, spikes in ping rates and the ultimate crash to desktop or to highrock.
THAT right there is the only actual issue in eso regarding lag.. Your ipinion is what you described them as.. Im not even in Havoc but know were all using the same spells more or less and when it gets laggy we're all pressing those buttons with nothing happening. It sounds like your suggesting they're pressing them much faster than you are when nothing is happening? Please clarify
You're trying to bait me into saying exactly what they're doing and what add-ons or cheats they're exploiting. Nice try. Not gonna go there and get banned. But rest assured plenty of people submit plenty of reports and make plenty of phone calls and some of us hold out hope one day soon ZOS will actually step up and take out the trash.
There are plenty of reasons to legitimately dislike Havoc, do we have to use make believe reasons now too?
Let's at least be fair and rational here, shall we?
Sorry Havoc people, I know there are some lovely people in your guild, and I mean that, but threads like the PeriPoetry thread- claiming you're better than every other guild and we're all just too afraid to fight you, which is why you have to farm level 45s at their gates, I suppose- you can't do stuff like that without losing a lot of respect from the community and other guilds... it just makes your whole guild seem egotistical and unpleasant.
I realize a lot of hate is leveled at you here on the forums, as well as in game, and I know a lot of it is undeserved, but you should consider the possibility that some of it is well earned.
Be that as it may, saying that Havoc has magic hacks/buttons/macros/techniques that they use to lag out their opponents, while remaining immune to the crippling lag themselves..... yeah, that's just paranoid, and it's the kind of thing that tends to make a guild defensive.
And it doesn't add to your credibility that you claim to somehow *know* exactly what these lag creating measures are, and are in contact with Zeni about it, but won't tell us.
Call them jerks if you must, but if you call them cheaters, you'd better provide some actual proof, otherwise it's really just a nice bit of public slander.
LOL! I always chuckle when is see the lag exploiting measures referred to as magical. It's so cute, Winnie. And slander? Enough with the histrionics. It isn't slander to state the obvious and surely no ESO guild is going to suffer "financial" or otherwise negative repercussions as a result of people stating the obvious. Other than that your rant is another feeble attempt to get someone to entrap themselves and get themselves banned. Nice try.
#disablethirdpartyaddons
Slander (v.) to make a false spoken statement that causes people to have a bad opinion of someone
I think accusing a guild of cheating, without evidence, on a public forum, is both false and damaging to their reputation (such as it is).
And if you don't want to be accused of paranoia, then in addition to not weaving complex theories about lag hacks and collusion between alliances, you might want to also refrain from accusing anyone who asks you to furnish a little proof of your brow raising claims, of trying to entrap you into getting yourself banned.
I'm not out to get you, I just think that you start or contribute to a lot of negative rumors about people, guilds, and even entire factions, and I've yet to see you back any of it up.
Now, I think you truly believe this is happening, even if you can't prove it, and that's fine, but it's not fine to publicly post your gut feelings as though they're facts.
Teargrants wrote: »I'm filing a suit for emotional damages as we speak.
.michaelpatterson wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »So much AOE that it is hard to tell what is going on.
Oh, didn't you know? This is their speciality-blob AOE spamming everyone to death, including ZOS. They literally kill the game.the sad thing is havoc actually thinks that theyre good. you know back in the day the best guilds ran like 12 man max groups, i think havoc is more like the EG of ep. zergers and pug herders of the game.
Opinions are like <snip>holes. And yet some people actually think their's and their's alone is the <snip>, Nala. The game is designed to group 24 people. I don't really give a rip what the "best" guilds did back when you walked up hill to school in 6 feet of snow. People group 24 because they CAN. Because it is EFFECTIVE. And because they have that many or more that WANT to run with them. Then all the elitists sit here on this forum and wise crack and insult the guilds who are actually trying to play the game it is meant to play. I don't QQ about zergs and don't understand why anyone does. It's just more ap to farm or more to do the farming with. Whatev. Havoc can zerg all day for all I care. I take issue when they usher in lag and everyone around them sees death drops in fps, spikes in ping rates and the ultimate crash to desktop or to highrock.
THAT right there is the only actual issue in eso regarding lag.. Your ipinion is what you described them as.. Im not even in Havoc but know were all using the same spells more or less and when it gets laggy we're all pressing those buttons with nothing happening. It sounds like your suggesting they're pressing them much faster than you are when nothing is happening? Please clarify
You're trying to bait me into saying exactly what they're doing and what add-ons or cheats they're exploiting. Nice try. Not gonna go there and get banned. But rest assured plenty of people submit plenty of reports and make plenty of phone calls and some of us hold out hope one day soon ZOS will actually step up and take out the trash.
There are plenty of reasons to legitimately dislike Havoc, do we have to use make believe reasons now too?
Let's at least be fair and rational here, shall we?
Sorry Havoc people, I know there are some lovely people in your guild, and I mean that, but threads like the PeriPoetry thread- claiming you're better than every other guild and we're all just too afraid to fight you, which is why you have to farm level 45s at their gates, I suppose- you can't do stuff like that without losing a lot of respect from the community and other guilds... it just makes your whole guild seem egotistical and unpleasant.
I realize a lot of hate is leveled at you here on the forums, as well as in game, and I know a lot of it is undeserved, but you should consider the possibility that some of it is well earned.
Be that as it may, saying that Havoc has magic hacks/buttons/macros/techniques that they use to lag out their opponents, while remaining immune to the crippling lag themselves..... yeah, that's just paranoid, and it's the kind of thing that tends to make a guild defensive.
And it doesn't add to your credibility that you claim to somehow *know* exactly what these lag creating measures are, and are in contact with Zeni about it, but won't tell us.
Call them jerks if you must, but if you call them cheaters, you'd better provide some actual proof, otherwise it's really just a nice bit of public slander.
LOL! I always chuckle when is see the lag exploiting measures referred to as magical. It's so cute, Winnie. And slander? Enough with the histrionics. It isn't slander to state the obvious and surely no ESO guild is going to suffer "financial" or otherwise negative repercussions as a result of people stating the obvious. Other than that your rant is another feeble attempt to get someone to entrap themselves and get themselves banned. Nice try.
#disablethirdpartyaddons
Slander (v.) to make a false spoken statement that causes people to have a bad opinion of someone
I think accusing a guild of cheating, without evidence, on a public forum, is both false and damaging to their reputation (such as it is).
And if you don't want to be accused of paranoia, then in addition to not weaving complex theories about lag hacks and collusion between alliances, you might want to also refrain from accusing anyone who asks you to furnish a little proof of your brow raising claims, of trying to entrap you into getting yourself banned.
I'm not out to get you, I just think that you start or contribute to a lot of negative rumors about people, guilds, and even entire factions, and I've yet to see you back any of it up.
Now, I think you truly believe this is happening, even if you can't prove it, and that's fine, but it's not fine to publicly post your gut feelings as though they're facts.
Their reputation in a video game? NOT protected under the law, sweetheart. Try again.
.michaelpatterson wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »So much AOE that it is hard to tell what is going on.
Oh, didn't you know? This is their speciality-blob AOE spamming everyone to death, including ZOS. They literally kill the game.the sad thing is havoc actually thinks that theyre good. you know back in the day the best guilds ran like 12 man max groups, i think havoc is more like the EG of ep. zergers and pug herders of the game.
Opinions are like <snip>holes. And yet some people actually think their's and their's alone is the <snip>, Nala. The game is designed to group 24 people. I don't really give a rip what the "best" guilds did back when you walked up hill to school in 6 feet of snow. People group 24 because they CAN. Because it is EFFECTIVE. And because they have that many or more that WANT to run with them. Then all the elitists sit here on this forum and wise crack and insult the guilds who are actually trying to play the game it is meant to play. I don't QQ about zergs and don't understand why anyone does. It's just more ap to farm or more to do the farming with. Whatev. Havoc can zerg all day for all I care. I take issue when they usher in lag and everyone around them sees death drops in fps, spikes in ping rates and the ultimate crash to desktop or to highrock.
THAT right there is the only actual issue in eso regarding lag.. Your ipinion is what you described them as.. Im not even in Havoc but know were all using the same spells more or less and when it gets laggy we're all pressing those buttons with nothing happening. It sounds like your suggesting they're pressing them much faster than you are when nothing is happening? Please clarify
You're trying to bait me into saying exactly what they're doing and what add-ons or cheats they're exploiting. Nice try. Not gonna go there and get banned. But rest assured plenty of people submit plenty of reports and make plenty of phone calls and some of us hold out hope one day soon ZOS will actually step up and take out the trash.
There are plenty of reasons to legitimately dislike Havoc, do we have to use make believe reasons now too?
Let's at least be fair and rational here, shall we?
Sorry Havoc people, I know there are some lovely people in your guild, and I mean that, but threads like the PeriPoetry thread- claiming you're better than every other guild and we're all just too afraid to fight you, which is why you have to farm level 45s at their gates, I suppose- you can't do stuff like that without losing a lot of respect from the community and other guilds... it just makes your whole guild seem egotistical and unpleasant.
I realize a lot of hate is leveled at you here on the forums, as well as in game, and I know a lot of it is undeserved, but you should consider the possibility that some of it is well earned.
Be that as it may, saying that Havoc has magic hacks/buttons/macros/techniques that they use to lag out their opponents, while remaining immune to the crippling lag themselves..... yeah, that's just paranoid, and it's the kind of thing that tends to make a guild defensive.
And it doesn't add to your credibility that you claim to somehow *know* exactly what these lag creating measures are, and are in contact with Zeni about it, but won't tell us.
Call them jerks if you must, but if you call them cheaters, you'd better provide some actual proof, otherwise it's really just a nice bit of public slander.
LOL! I always chuckle when is see the lag exploiting measures referred to as magical. It's so cute, Winnie. And slander? Enough with the histrionics. It isn't slander to state the obvious and surely no ESO guild is going to suffer "financial" or otherwise negative repercussions as a result of people stating the obvious. Other than that your rant is another feeble attempt to get someone to entrap themselves and get themselves banned. Nice try.
#disablethirdpartyaddons
Slander (v.) to make a false spoken statement that causes people to have a bad opinion of someone
I think accusing a guild of cheating, without evidence, on a public forum, is both false and damaging to their reputation (such as it is).
And if you don't want to be accused of paranoia, then in addition to not weaving complex theories about lag hacks and collusion between alliances, you might want to also refrain from accusing anyone who asks you to furnish a little proof of your brow raising claims, of trying to entrap you into getting yourself banned.
I'm not out to get you, I just think that you start or contribute to a lot of negative rumors about people, guilds, and even entire factions, and I've yet to see you back any of it up.
Now, I think you truly believe this is happening, even if you can't prove it, and that's fine, but it's not fine to publicly post your gut feelings as though they're facts.
Their reputation in a video game? NOT protected under the law, sweetheart. Try again.
.michaelpatterson wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »So much AOE that it is hard to tell what is going on.
Oh, didn't you know? This is their speciality-blob AOE spamming everyone to death, including ZOS. They literally kill the game.the sad thing is havoc actually thinks that theyre good. you know back in the day the best guilds ran like 12 man max groups, i think havoc is more like the EG of ep. zergers and pug herders of the game.
Opinions are like <snip>holes. And yet some people actually think their's and their's alone is the <snip>, Nala. The game is designed to group 24 people. I don't really give a rip what the "best" guilds did back when you walked up hill to school in 6 feet of snow. People group 24 because they CAN. Because it is EFFECTIVE. And because they have that many or more that WANT to run with them. Then all the elitists sit here on this forum and wise crack and insult the guilds who are actually trying to play the game it is meant to play. I don't QQ about zergs and don't understand why anyone does. It's just more ap to farm or more to do the farming with. Whatev. Havoc can zerg all day for all I care. I take issue when they usher in lag and everyone around them sees death drops in fps, spikes in ping rates and the ultimate crash to desktop or to highrock.
THAT right there is the only actual issue in eso regarding lag.. Your ipinion is what you described them as.. Im not even in Havoc but know were all using the same spells more or less and when it gets laggy we're all pressing those buttons with nothing happening. It sounds like your suggesting they're pressing them much faster than you are when nothing is happening? Please clarify
You're trying to bait me into saying exactly what they're doing and what add-ons or cheats they're exploiting. Nice try. Not gonna go there and get banned. But rest assured plenty of people submit plenty of reports and make plenty of phone calls and some of us hold out hope one day soon ZOS will actually step up and take out the trash.
There are plenty of reasons to legitimately dislike Havoc, do we have to use make believe reasons now too?
Let's at least be fair and rational here, shall we?
Sorry Havoc people, I know there are some lovely people in your guild, and I mean that, but threads like the PeriPoetry thread- claiming you're better than every other guild and we're all just too afraid to fight you, which is why you have to farm level 45s at their gates, I suppose- you can't do stuff like that without losing a lot of respect from the community and other guilds... it just makes your whole guild seem egotistical and unpleasant.
I realize a lot of hate is leveled at you here on the forums, as well as in game, and I know a lot of it is undeserved, but you should consider the possibility that some of it is well earned.
Be that as it may, saying that Havoc has magic hacks/buttons/macros/techniques that they use to lag out their opponents, while remaining immune to the crippling lag themselves..... yeah, that's just paranoid, and it's the kind of thing that tends to make a guild defensive.
And it doesn't add to your credibility that you claim to somehow *know* exactly what these lag creating measures are, and are in contact with Zeni about it, but won't tell us.
Call them jerks if you must, but if you call them cheaters, you'd better provide some actual proof, otherwise it's really just a nice bit of public slander.
LOL! I always chuckle when is see the lag exploiting measures referred to as magical. It's so cute, Winnie. And slander? Enough with the histrionics. It isn't slander to state the obvious and surely no ESO guild is going to suffer "financial" or otherwise negative repercussions as a result of people stating the obvious. Other than that your rant is another feeble attempt to get someone to entrap themselves and get themselves banned. Nice try.
#disablethirdpartyaddons
Slander (v.) to make a false spoken statement that causes people to have a bad opinion of someone
I think accusing a guild of cheating, without evidence, on a public forum, is both false and damaging to their reputation (such as it is).
And if you don't want to be accused of paranoia, then in addition to not weaving complex theories about lag hacks and collusion between alliances, you might want to also refrain from accusing anyone who asks you to furnish a little proof of your brow raising claims, of trying to entrap you into getting yourself banned.
I'm not out to get you, I just think that you start or contribute to a lot of negative rumors about people, guilds, and even entire factions, and I've yet to see you back any of it up.
Now, I think you truly believe this is happening, even if you can't prove it, and that's fine, but it's not fine to publicly post your gut feelings as though they're facts.
Their reputation in a video game? NOT protected under the law, sweetheart. Try again.
Ok, 1. please refrain from calling me "sweetheart," only whatshisname who stalks my posts gets to do that, and 2. slander is not only a legal term. The definition I posted was copy/pasted from Miriam/Webster.
You are totally right, no one's trying to take you to court, you are not being sued for Slander .
But spreading damaging falsehoods about someone is still slanderous.
Look! I got you a list of synonyms, we could use one of these words, if you prefer...asperse, blacken, calumniate, defame, libel, malign, smear, traduce, vilify.... I like "malign," thoughts?
.michaelpatterson wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »So much AOE that it is hard to tell what is going on.
Oh, didn't you know? This is their speciality-blob AOE spamming everyone to death, including ZOS. They literally kill the game.the sad thing is havoc actually thinks that theyre good. you know back in the day the best guilds ran like 12 man max groups, i think havoc is more like the EG of ep. zergers and pug herders of the game.
Opinions are like <snip>holes. And yet some people actually think their's and their's alone is the <snip>, Nala. The game is designed to group 24 people. I don't really give a rip what the "best" guilds did back when you walked up hill to school in 6 feet of snow. People group 24 because they CAN. Because it is EFFECTIVE. And because they have that many or more that WANT to run with them. Then all the elitists sit here on this forum and wise crack and insult the guilds who are actually trying to play the game it is meant to play. I don't QQ about zergs and don't understand why anyone does. It's just more ap to farm or more to do the farming with. Whatev. Havoc can zerg all day for all I care. I take issue when they usher in lag and everyone around them sees death drops in fps, spikes in ping rates and the ultimate crash to desktop or to highrock.
THAT right there is the only actual issue in eso regarding lag.. Your ipinion is what you described them as.. Im not even in Havoc but know were all using the same spells more or less and when it gets laggy we're all pressing those buttons with nothing happening. It sounds like your suggesting they're pressing them much faster than you are when nothing is happening? Please clarify
You're trying to bait me into saying exactly what they're doing and what add-ons or cheats they're exploiting. Nice try. Not gonna go there and get banned. But rest assured plenty of people submit plenty of reports and make plenty of phone calls and some of us hold out hope one day soon ZOS will actually step up and take out the trash.
There are plenty of reasons to legitimately dislike Havoc, do we have to use make believe reasons now too?
Let's at least be fair and rational here, shall we?
Sorry Havoc people, I know there are some lovely people in your guild, and I mean that, but threads like the PeriPoetry thread- claiming you're better than every other guild and we're all just too afraid to fight you, which is why you have to farm level 45s at their gates, I suppose- you can't do stuff like that without losing a lot of respect from the community and other guilds... it just makes your whole guild seem egotistical and unpleasant.
I realize a lot of hate is leveled at you here on the forums, as well as in game, and I know a lot of it is undeserved, but you should consider the possibility that some of it is well earned.
Be that as it may, saying that Havoc has magic hacks/buttons/macros/techniques that they use to lag out their opponents, while remaining immune to the crippling lag themselves..... yeah, that's just paranoid, and it's the kind of thing that tends to make a guild defensive.
And it doesn't add to your credibility that you claim to somehow *know* exactly what these lag creating measures are, and are in contact with Zeni about it, but won't tell us.
Call them jerks if you must, but if you call them cheaters, you'd better provide some actual proof, otherwise it's really just a nice bit of public slander.
LOL! I always chuckle when is see the lag exploiting measures referred to as magical. It's so cute, Winnie. And slander? Enough with the histrionics. It isn't slander to state the obvious and surely no ESO guild is going to suffer "financial" or otherwise negative repercussions as a result of people stating the obvious. Other than that your rant is another feeble attempt to get someone to entrap themselves and get themselves banned. Nice try.
#disablethirdpartyaddons
Slander (v.) to make a false spoken statement that causes people to have a bad opinion of someone
I think accusing a guild of cheating, without evidence, on a public forum, is both false and damaging to their reputation (such as it is).
And if you don't want to be accused of paranoia, then in addition to not weaving complex theories about lag hacks and collusion between alliances, you might want to also refrain from accusing anyone who asks you to furnish a little proof of your brow raising claims, of trying to entrap you into getting yourself banned.
I'm not out to get you, I just think that you start or contribute to a lot of negative rumors about people, guilds, and even entire factions, and I've yet to see you back any of it up.
Now, I think you truly believe this is happening, even if you can't prove it, and that's fine, but it's not fine to publicly post your gut feelings as though they're facts.
Their reputation in a video game? NOT protected under the law, sweetheart. Try again.
Ok, 1. please refrain from calling me "sweetheart," only whatshisname who stalks my posts gets to do that, and 2. slander is not only a legal term. The definition I posted was copy/pasted from Miriam/Webster.
You are totally right, no one's trying to take you to court, you are not being sued for Slander .
But spreading damaging falsehoods about someone is still slanderous.
Look! I got you a list of synonyms, we could use one of these words, if you prefer...asperse, blacken, calumniate, defame, libel, malign, smear, traduce, vilify.... I like "malign," thoughts?
Actually since none of this is ORAL, it can't be construed as slander. I think you really are getting ahead of yourself here, honey. You go ahead and use your words and I will go ahead and use mine, though.
But this all reminds me of the real person whose rep has most likely taken a hit and probably the #1 reason ZOS needs to enforce their no celebrity names policy.
k1llorbek1lled wrote: »The fight at 2:18 !!!!! And some people cry about numbers HAHA look at the AD group!the sad thing is havoc actually thinks that theyre good. you know back in the day the best guilds ran like 12 man max groups, i think havoc is more like the EG of ep. zergers and pug herders of the game.
Back in the day? LOL so when it was ok for small amounts of people to face tank zergs, kill everything when most classes were OP more than others, and like half the game was broke. HAHAHA. Anyway, I know nothing will ever get through to you, because you have always been a DiE/Havoc forum warrior hater but after looking at his other vids, here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU4JsaJCnDw
SHUT ITyou're better than every other guild and we're all just too afraid to fight you, which is why you have to farm level 45s at their gates, I suppose- you can't do stuff like that without losing a lot of respect from the community and other guilds... it just makes your whole guild seem egotistical and unpleasant.
Actually, last night on Azura we were pushed back Kings. Havoc came in and took half the map back and helped my guild against DC and some Nemesis. Then when I asked where they went because we started losing stuff again, they went and helped crown an EP emp in Haderus. So gate camping? No, more like they hate the AD on Thorn(tko). If you don't like them farming tko, maybe you should go to Thorn. Its not laggy when I guest in there because not a lot of guilds are there. I love Havoc, theyre the best imo, and all nice people. Ep loves them and that's all that really matters, not the opinions of AD/DC that they kill or those that dodge Havoc. I like watching the vids, keep them coming!
people don't know us at all
When Decibel 48-man "raid" rolls through enemies = skilled gameplay
When Havoc 24-man "zerg" rolls through enemies = zerg lagsploiters
When Decibel 48-man "raid" rolls through enemies = skilled gameplay
When Havoc 24-man "zerg" rolls through enemies = zerg lagsploiters
... this is funny. We run very similar sized raids to the other top guilds. Had 16 today running over 50.
Good video, music was nice haha
And wut is this about tripots @Winnamine
michaelpatterson wrote: »Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »So much AOE that it is hard to tell what is going on.
Oh, didn't you know? This is their speciality-blob AOE spamming everyone to death, including ZOS. They literally kill the game.the sad thing is havoc actually thinks that theyre good. you know back in the day the best guilds ran like 12 man max groups, i think havoc is more like the EG of ep. zergers and pug herders of the game.
Opinions are like <snip>holes. And yet some people actually think their's and their's alone is the <snip>, Nala. The game is designed to group 24 people. I don't really give a rip what the "best" guilds did back when you walked up hill to school in 6 feet of snow. People group 24 because they CAN. Because it is EFFECTIVE. And because they have that many or more that WANT to run with them. Then all the elitists sit here on this forum and wise crack and insult the guilds who are actually trying to play the game it is meant to play. I don't QQ about zergs and don't understand why anyone does. It's just more ap to farm or more to do the farming with. Whatev. Havoc can zerg all day for all I care. I take issue when they usher in lag and everyone around them sees death drops in fps, spikes in ping rates and the ultimate crash to desktop or to highrock.
THAT right there is the only actual issue in eso regarding lag.. Your ipinion is what you described them as.. Im not even in Havoc but know were all using the same spells more or less and when it gets laggy we're all pressing those buttons with nothing happening. It sounds like your suggesting they're pressing them much faster than you are when nothing is happening? Please clarify
You're trying to bait me into saying exactly what they're doing and what add-ons or cheats they're exploiting. Nice try. Not gonna go there and get banned. But rest assured plenty of people submit plenty of reports and make plenty of phone calls and some of us hold out hope one day soon ZOS will actually step up and take out the trash.