Shield Charge + Talons = Death Sentence

G0ku

Apparently you can cc-break the vampire feed now after a well known player, a kind of "teso-celebrity" complained about it and others joined in.

So can we please get a fix the the unbreakable cc you find yourself in after you shield charged to ground and then put in talons? Or is it working as intended?

Sypher

FIX ALL THE UNBREAKABLE CC!!!

Draxys

Unbreakable cc or bug?

G0ku

Draxys wrote: »

Unbreakable cc or bug?

Honestly? I don´t know. But I see it all the time, some groups seems to have specialized on this. I learned how to avoid it, but I´m of the oppinion it´s bad to overall fun and gameplay.

Saft

Talons still can cause unbreakable CC? has't this bug been around like a year now? Last months it has't happened very often to me, just like once per day, and i thought it was lag or something that made their CC unbreakable. But bug is still there you say?

Dositheus

Working as intended?

kkravaritieb17_ESO

I have also noticed that many times when you cc break various forms of cc (fear mostly) you get instantly cc'ed afterwards, which is very annoying. I hope i am not the only one experiencing this.

Ghostbane

With talons I find I can roll out of them whenever I have the resources, although, double-fear for example. Stuck.

Honfold

This problem still exists? I haven't noticed, but from what I remember there was a problem with roots+stun that would cause unbreakable CC. It happens to me every now and then but not nearly as much as before.

Siliconhobbit_ESO

I dunno where any of you get the idea that Talons is unbreakable. I've pretty much stopped using it in PvP since everyone seems to be IMMUNE to it.

I don't know how many times I have spammed Talons again and again and everyone just seems to have either ungodly amount of Stamina and they continually roll out of it, or they pop Immovable over and over, or they constantly pop some sort of stealth skill that breaks CC continuously.

It's a rare occasion for me that Talons works against anyone.

At the very LEAST, Immovable should require 5 pieces of Heavy armor to use.

Side Note: How is it that people in combat can still use postern doors and keep gates? I don't understand this. I can never use a door if I am in combat or I am taking damage. Why do I see others getting away with this all the time?

Side note #2: Fear needs to be disabled until the exploit is fixed. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise because anyone who spams fear is exploiting.

Tankqull

Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »

I dunno where any of you get the idea that Talons is unbreakable. I've pretty much stopped using it in PvP since everyone seems to be IMMUNE to it.

I don't know how many times I have spammed Talons again and again and everyone just seems to have either ungodly amount of Stamina and they continually roll out of it, or they pop Immovable over and over, or they constantly pop some sort of stealth skill that breaks CC continuously.

It's a rare occasion for me that Talons works against anyone.

At the very LEAST, Immovable should require 5 pieces of Heavy armor to use.

Side Note: How is it that people in combat can still use postern doors and keep gates? I don't understand this. I can never use a door if I am in combat or I am taking damage. Why do I see others getting away with this all the time?

Side note #2: Fear needs to be disabled until the exploit is fixed. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise because anyone who spams fear is exploiting.

immovable

Itoq

Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »

I can never use a door if... I am taking damage

Spam skills like heal, cloak, dodge roll and shields as needed to stay alive while also cc breaking and weaving in trying to open the door.

C0pp3rhead

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

I have also noticed that many times when you cc break various forms of cc (fear mostly) you get instantly cc'ed afterwards, which is very annoying. I hope i am not the only one experiencing this.

I see this mostly with Shield Charge. I'll break out of a fear or stun, and half a second later I'm flat on my [snip].

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Tripwyr

I have not experienced this bug in months. I'm pretty sure you guys are just bad and/or not noticing your stamina is empty.

Tripwyr

Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »

Side note #2: Fear needs to be disabled until the exploit is fixed. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise because anyone who spams fear is exploiting.

The same applies to anybody who uses Dragon Leap.

Lava_Croft

Tripwyr wrote: »

Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »

Side note #2: Fear needs to be disabled until the exploit is fixed. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise because anyone who spams fear is exploiting.

The same applies to anybody who uses Dragon Leap.

Or a certain type of potion for Stamina users that seems to lack any kind of cooldown.

Poxheart

The FOTM unbreakable CC I saw a lot of today is Sorcerer=Encase, Nightblade=Fear. Even with full stamina you are boned.

Seri

Itoq wrote: »

Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »

I can never use a door if... I am taking damage

Spam skills like heal, cloak, dodge roll and shields as needed to stay alive while also cc breaking and weaving in trying to open the door.

Best part is when you hit 'E' enough times that you go through the door and then pop back outside into the death zone

Morvul

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

I have also noticed that many times when you cc break various forms of cc (fear mostly) you get instantly cc'ed afterwards, which is very annoying. I hope i am not the only one experiencing this.

you'r not the only one.

The most frequent culprit is getting feared half a second after CC-breaking fear - but it DOES happen with other CCs as well...

babanovac

Happened to me several times last evening. Some kind of combination between talons and a stun resulted in unbreakable CC. Tbh i think it might be the server lag that prevents you from breaking it.

Aimelin

babanovac wrote: »

Happened to me several times last evening. Some kind of combination between talons and a stun resulted in unbreakable CC. Tbh i think it might be the server lag that prevents you from breaking it.

The reason it happens is because talons (root / immobilize) is regarded as a SOFT CC (no CC break for it, only dodge roll) and shield charge (stun) is regarded as a HARD CC (CC break only).

So the chain of events makes the system poop and there you go, double CC bug.

The same is happening with for example Stun + Knockback. You can be CC immune but wrecking blow can still knock you back / down and it takes you AGES to get back up.

The easiest fix for this (and how it should have been since day1 IMO) is to make all CC breakable, don't distinguish between soft and hard CC, put it all on the same "CC Break" and immunity timer.

G0ku

Aimelin wrote: »

babanovac wrote: »

Happened to me several times last evening. Some kind of combination between talons and a stun resulted in unbreakable CC. Tbh i think it might be the server lag that prevents you from breaking it.

The reason it happens is because talons (root / immobilize) is regarded as a SOFT CC (no CC break for it, only dodge roll) and shield charge (stun) is regarded as a HARD CC (CC break only).

So the chain of events makes the system poop and there you go, double CC bug.

The same is happening with for example Stun + Knockback. You can be CC immune but wrecking blow can still knock you back / down and it takes you AGES to get back up.

The easiest fix for this (and how it should have been since day1 IMO) is to make all CC breakable, don't distinguish between soft and hard CC, put it all on the same "CC Break" and immunity timer.

this.

shield charge -> on ground -> talons -> unbreakable
templar charge -> on ground -> talons -> unbreakable
be creative, im only stating the obvious to not provide more of this crap

But I´m still not sure if it´s due to lag or just the way it works right now. So better be prepared to CC-break fast after being charged or face obilivion.

You have to admire some of the gank groups doing this as they perfected it with a coordinated group charge and following talons (2 templar 2 dk group)

Tripwyr wrote: »

I have not experienced this bug in months. I'm pretty sure you guys are just bad and/or not noticing your stamina is empty.

So you´re the benchmark which lets you differ good from bad players, huh? bait somewhere else...

Anazasi

Sorcs can do it too all alone. They drop the area CC then they use the another of their CC's and you are locked.

I know this is not fun it happens all the time. Immovable is rather useless but still a decent patch fix to it. I have started using the 17 second unstoppable potions. The are extremely effective and last 3x as long as ability when slotted. If the CC lock doesn't get fixed I predict sales going through the roof in PVP.

Mystikkal

I believe they fixed this.. you need to break out of the stun, then you can roll dodge out of talons. I could be mistaken, but I believe the bug where you couldn't break-free was from a while ago. My sense is people are trying to roll, when you need to break free first.

Morvul

Mystikkal wrote: »

I believe they fixed this.. you need to break out of the stun, then you can roll dodge out of talons. I could be mistaken, but I believe the bug where you couldn't break-free was from a while ago. My sense is people are trying to roll, when you need to break free first.

At least for me, I have on multiple ocations hammered break free, but nothing happened (despite full stamina).
Not always were roots involved when the problem happend, but with short CCs it's difficult to distinguish lag from genuine "unbreakability"

Joy_Division

Seri wrote: »

Itoq wrote: »

Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »

I can never use a door if... I am taking damage

Spam skills like heal, cloak, dodge roll and shields as needed to stay alive while also cc breaking and weaving in trying to open the door.

Best part is when you hit 'E' enough times that you go through the door and then pop back outside into the death zone

That's awesome ... when it happens to someone I am chasing

The recent posts with the NB fear skill seems to suggest that it is when multiple CCs are applied to a player in quick succession we get the "perma-stunned" problem. Or when 2 different types of CCs are put into effect.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

I have actually tested this with a friend before I left for my business/family trip and its 100% death you have to burn all your stamina with immovable every five seconds or add a potion to the mix every 45 seconds but once you get knocked down that's it.

It you get a soft cc that requires you to roll dodge but you can't cause you're stunned and need to break free it drops you in a loop

It's not about stamina on my build with 2536 stamina regeneration and 23k stamina full medium the CCs lock you down till it gets up now for testing purposes he don't dragon leap me and just end it but I was unable to find a counter beyond spamming immovable right as the CC immunity end.

And just for the numbers I buffed my build to pure stamina regen killing 60% crit and 3k weapon damage had 3679 stamina regen had stamina forever but green Dragon Blood and the occasional healing ward made the weak damage laughable the steps you have to take to regen that much stamina to spam that one power is ridiculous to do for one play style of one class.

HeroOfNone

My take away on this post is that if we want to fix the never break cc + snare effects that we need the cool kids to complain about it.

I'm not popular enough yet, but I certainly *** about it on stream when it happens to me =3

Poxheart

Get your RP guild to complain that it breaks their immersion.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO

you know they have a 3 fixes limit on PvP bugs

tonemd

Aimelin wrote: »

babanovac wrote: »

Happened to me several times last evening. Some kind of combination between talons and a stun resulted in unbreakable CC. Tbh i think it might be the server lag that prevents you from breaking it.

The reason it happens is because talons (root / immobilize) is regarded as a SOFT CC (no CC break for it, only dodge roll) and shield charge (stun) is regarded as a HARD CC (CC break only).

So the chain of events makes the system poop and there you go, double CC bug.

The same is happening with for example Stun + Knockback. You can be CC immune but wrecking blow can still knock you back / down and it takes you AGES to get back up.

The easiest fix for this (and how it should have been since day1 IMO) is to make all CC breakable, don't distinguish between soft and hard CC, put it all on the same "CC Break" and immunity timer.

I could get with this. That should pacify the Tanks who fear FEAR as well. Gives them a chance to heal or shield up before another CC lands.

But if that is the case, I think CC Break should cost more.