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Killing reliable legerdemain income
eNumbra
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Prior to this latest patch, gold income via stealing was a reliable source of solo-play income; at 140 transactions a day at V14 -
two-handed weapons - 72x140 = 10,080
white items - 30x140 = 4,200
Now:
two-handed weapons - 23x140 = 3,220
White items - 30x140 = 4,200
Taking into consideration the prices were seeing for what are considered the "good" sets in guild stores and the intolerable design of having to hit every zone scouring ever vendor if you're looking for a specific set piece; I think this is one of your worst decisions to date, Zenimax. I get why you did it, because of the prevalence of stealable gear in zones I could take 45 minutes, to do 6 writs and steal 10k work of gold and go and play another character - how awful. How terrible, that I be able to have a decent, reliable source of gold that doesn't require a trade guild in a good location or hours of grinding.
Every time Zenimax, that I start to enjoy my NB main again, you do something that breaks it: I would really appreciate it if you got moving on race changes so I could fix that issue and we can get the next time you want to rip my heart out out of the way a little faster.
two-handed weapons - 72x140 = 10,080
white items - 30x140 = 4,200
Now:
two-handed weapons - 23x140 = 3,220
White items - 30x140 = 4,200
Taking into consideration the prices were seeing for what are considered the "good" sets in guild stores and the intolerable design of having to hit every zone scouring ever vendor if you're looking for a specific set piece; I think this is one of your worst decisions to date, Zenimax. I get why you did it, because of the prevalence of stealable gear in zones I could take 45 minutes, to do 6 writs and steal 10k work of gold and go and play another character - how awful. How terrible, that I be able to have a decent, reliable source of gold that doesn't require a trade guild in a good location or hours of grinding.
Every time Zenimax, that I start to enjoy my NB main again, you do something that breaks it: I would really appreciate it if you got moving on race changes so I could fix that issue and we can get the next time you want to rip my heart out out of the way a little faster.
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nastuug✭✭✭✭✭
✭Prior to this latest patch, gold income via stealing was a reliable source of solo-play income; at 140 transactions a day at V14 -
two-handed weapons - 72x140 = 10,080
white items - 30x140 = 4,200
Now:
two-handed weapons - 23x140 = 3,220
White items - 30x140 = 4,200
Taking into consideration the prices were seeing for what are considered the "good" sets in guild stores and the intolerable design of having to hit every zone scouring ever vendor if you're looking for a specific set piece; I think this is one of your worst decisions to date, Zenimax. I get why you did it, because of the prevalence of stealable gear in zones I could take 45 minutes, to do 6 writs and steal 10k work of gold and go and play another character - how awful. How terrible, that I be able to have a decent, reliable source of gold that doesn't require a trade guild in a good location or hours of grinding.
Every time Zenimax, that I start to enjoy my NB main again, you do something that breaks it: I would really appreciate it if you got moving on race changes so I could fix that issue and we can get the next time you want to rip my heart out out of the way a little faster.
I don't see how this is an issue. Most of the stuff I steal isn't weapons/armor. It's the random 'Stolen Goods' crap from barrels, dressers, armoires, etc.Edited by nastuug on April 20, 2015 4:57PMSallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" -
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✭Lame! I was making a nice amount of coin off of weapons and armor! Grrr! *pout face*
Heh. You knew that would come to an end eventually. =PSallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" -
Naivefanboi✭✭✭✭Wait, you actually steal the weapons and armor? Huh...
used too, now im gonna just grind the skill points remove all fun from it like zos wants and forget justice system exist since ill have what i needed from it the passives.
i was going for fun when i needed gold. but its typical eso either ABUSE/EXPLOIT while ya can or be punished for playing reasonably lmoa. never gets old! /-end sarcasimEdited by Naivefanboi on April 20, 2015 5:24PM -
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Exactly! Now let's get back to farming some guy's nose hair clippers to sell the fences.This was not Zenimax's doing. The Council of Fences had a meeting and since they've been getting so much crap weapons and armor, they've decided to lower what they pay for them across the board. Blame it on whoever's been flooding the market!
Tbh, I didn't even know this was a thing. I got by via pickpocketing and looting containers in city buildings.Karllotta, AD Magplar, AR 50
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nastuug✭✭✭✭✭
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Not really, no. I saw you complaining about heavy value reduction in items that were never meant to be stolen, then proceeding to whine about how Zenimax breaks NB every time you start enjoying it.
Go steal stuff like the game was built to do. Well, guess you have no choice now.
Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" -
Nestor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Wait, you actually steal the weapons and armor? Huh...
Just last night I stole some weapons and armor from the racks. I was just doing so to get items to fence for that count, not for money. Oh boy was the gold haul nice from those items. They really did give more gold per item than even looted stolen Green Armor does. I figured when taking them that I would get like 1 gold as they are the useless White items that we have all ignored since they were put in the world.
So, the price nerf was inevitable. I just wish I had known about the pricing earlier.
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eNumbra✭✭✭✭✭were never meant to be stolen,
If they were never mean to be stolen, certainly Zenimax wouldn't have made them lootable in one patch, then once the justice system had been implemented, given them a "steal" tag and their normal crafted value.
Anyone could do the math, before they implemented this and see that it would be an easy 10k gold per day, so why would it even be implemented in that state.
As for everything else, I hope they never break anything you find useful or enjoyable.Edited by eNumbra on April 20, 2015 5:36PM -
nastuug✭✭✭✭✭
✭were never meant to be stolen,
If they were never mean to be stolen, certainly Zenimax wouldn't have made them lootable in one patch, then once the justice system had been implemented, given them a "steal" tag and their normal crafted value.
Anyone could do the math, before they implemented this and see that it would be an easy 10k gold per day, so why would it even be implemented in that state.
As for everything else, I hope they never break anything you find useful or enjoyable.
So you're saying every bug, glitch, exploit, etc. was meant to be within the norms?Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" -
Haxnschwammer✭✭✭✭I stumbled upon this because I needed some materials. I stole some for deconstructing and had some left what I realized when I sold something to a fence. Nice, fast, easy money.Once I was a healer. Then I took a Wrobel to the knee.
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nastuug✭✭✭✭✭
✭Haxnschwammer wrote: »I stumbled upon this because I needed some materials. I stole some for deconstructing and had some left what I realized when I sold something to a fence. Nice, fast, easy money.
I agree, it's great when you're exploiting it. But I don't understand these pointless, QQ threads about implementing fixes in these manners. Now, you have to go back to being a proper thief the way it was meant to be in the first place.Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" -
Anemonean✭✭✭I get reliable legerdemain income from pickpocketing and lockboxes, one nerf isn't a complete collapse of the system.Calling all thieves, check out my Lockbox maps: http://roguesfolio.tumblr.com
Also announcing the all new Legerdemain & Thievery guide: http://roguesfolio.tumblr.com/Guide
And an all new work of fiction based on the maps: http://roguesfolio.tumblr.com/Story -
Fleshreaper✭✭✭✭✭
Not really, no. I saw you complaining about heavy value reduction in items that were never meant to be stolen, then proceeding to whine about how Zenimax breaks NB every time you start enjoying it.
Go steal stuff like the game was built to do. Well, guess you have no choice now.
/facepalm. "Go steal stuff like the game was built to do." Huh, if the game wasn't built to allow you to steal weapons and armor, you wouldn't be allowed to.
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eNumbra✭✭✭✭✭
"I don't understand why people would voice their opinion about changes made to a game they're playing."Haxnschwammer wrote: »I stumbled upon this because I needed some materials. I stole some for deconstructing and had some left what I realized when I sold something to a fence. Nice, fast, easy money.
I agree, it's great when you're exploiting it. But I don't understand these pointless, QQ threads about implementing fixes in these manners.
If that's the argument you want to make, Zenimax could easily have nerfed the locations that have nobody within detect range - Bangkorai's back alley, Firebrand keep. I fail to see how sneaking into a shop and stealing a merchants goods from under his nose makes someone an "improper" thief.Now, you have to go back to being a proper thief the way it was meant to be in the first place.
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✭Fleshreaper wrote: »
Not really, no. I saw you complaining about heavy value reduction in items that were never meant to be stolen, then proceeding to whine about how Zenimax breaks NB every time you start enjoying it.
Go steal stuff like the game was built to do. Well, guess you have no choice now.
/facepalm. "Go steal stuff like the game was built to do." Huh, if the game wasn't built to allow you to steal weapons and armor, you wouldn't be allowed to.
Obviously it wasn't since, ya know, they just nerfed the specified item values hard.Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" -
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"I don't understand why people would voice their opinion about changes made to a game they're playing."Haxnschwammer wrote: »I stumbled upon this because I needed some materials. I stole some for deconstructing and had some left what I realized when I sold something to a fence. Nice, fast, easy money.
I agree, it's great when you're exploiting it. But I don't understand these pointless, QQ threads about implementing fixes in these manners.
If that's the argument you want to make, Zenimax could easily have nerfed the locations that have nobody within detect range - Bangkorai's back alley, Firebrand keep. I fail to see how sneaking into a shop and stealing a merchants goods from under his nose makes someone an "improper" thief.Now, you have to go back to being a proper thief the way it was meant to be in the first place.
It's moreover the fact that it was being exploited to make more gold than intended. Period.Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" -
eNumbra✭✭✭✭✭It's moreover the fact that it was being exploited to make more gold than intended. Period.
To which I will again refer you to the simple math of 140x72(value of two handers at V14) = 10k
"hey guys is 10k a day too much?"
So either, someone asked that question and the answer was no or nobody ever asked that question. Which means in scenario 1 - it was intended or scenario 2 - Zenimax is frighteningly incompetent. -
Fleshreaper✭✭✭✭✭Fleshreaper wrote: »
Not really, no. I saw you complaining about heavy value reduction in items that were never meant to be stolen, then proceeding to whine about how Zenimax breaks NB every time you start enjoying it.
Go steal stuff like the game was built to do. Well, guess you have no choice now.
/facepalm. "Go steal stuff like the game was built to do." Huh, if the game wasn't built to allow you to steal weapons and armor, you wouldn't be allowed to.
Obviously it wasn't since, ya know, they just nerfed the specified item values hard.
But you can still steal weapons and armor, so the game was IN FACT, built to allow you to steal these items. Was it not? -
nastuug✭✭✭✭✭
✭How terrible, that I be able to have a decent, reliable source of gold that doesn't require a trade guild in a good location or hours of grinding.
Every time Zenimax, that I start to enjoy my NB main again, you do something that breaks it: I would really appreciate it if you got moving on race changes so I could fix that issue and we can get the next time you want to rip my heart out out of the way a little faster.
Interesting that you feel you're entitled to exploit something for your own, personal wealth simply because you don't want to be part of a trade guild or spend a little more time to make a lot more money...Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" -
nastuug✭✭✭✭✭
✭Fleshreaper wrote: »Fleshreaper wrote: »
Not really, no. I saw you complaining about heavy value reduction in items that were never meant to be stolen, then proceeding to whine about how Zenimax breaks NB every time you start enjoying it.
Go steal stuff like the game was built to do. Well, guess you have no choice now.
/facepalm. "Go steal stuff like the game was built to do." Huh, if the game wasn't built to allow you to steal weapons and armor, you wouldn't be allowed to.
Obviously it wasn't since, ya know, they just nerfed the specified item values hard.
But you can still steal weapons and armor, so the game was IN FACT, built to allow you to steal these items. Was it not?
Indeed. But perhaps they didn't think it would cause this big of a problem with derpthieves.Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" -
Fleshreaper✭✭✭✭✭Fleshreaper wrote: »Fleshreaper wrote: »
Not really, no. I saw you complaining about heavy value reduction in items that were never meant to be stolen, then proceeding to whine about how Zenimax breaks NB every time you start enjoying it.
Go steal stuff like the game was built to do. Well, guess you have no choice now.
/facepalm. "Go steal stuff like the game was built to do." Huh, if the game wasn't built to allow you to steal weapons and armor, you wouldn't be allowed to.
Obviously it wasn't since, ya know, they just nerfed the specified item values hard.
But you can still steal weapons and armor, so the game was IN FACT, built to allow you to steal these items. Was it not?
Indeed. But perhaps they didn't think it would cause this big of a problem with derpthieves.
Possibly. But that's what you get when you let someone have something and then yank it away from them. -
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✭Fleshreaper wrote: »Fleshreaper wrote: »Fleshreaper wrote: »
Not really, no. I saw you complaining about heavy value reduction in items that were never meant to be stolen, then proceeding to whine about how Zenimax breaks NB every time you start enjoying it.
Go steal stuff like the game was built to do. Well, guess you have no choice now.
/facepalm. "Go steal stuff like the game was built to do." Huh, if the game wasn't built to allow you to steal weapons and armor, you wouldn't be allowed to.
Obviously it wasn't since, ya know, they just nerfed the specified item values hard.
But you can still steal weapons and armor, so the game was IN FACT, built to allow you to steal these items. Was it not?
Indeed. But perhaps they didn't think it would cause this big of a problem with derpthieves.
Possibly. But that's what you get when you let someone have something and then yank it away from them.
<--- is a Derptheif, but doesn't feel he was robbed of anything...Sallington wrote: »Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" -
eNumbra✭✭✭✭✭Interesting that you feel you're entitled to exploit something for your own, personal wealth simply because you don't want to be part of a trade guild or spend a little more time to make a lot more money...
If you can make so much more money with only a little more time invested, then why is this a nerf-needed exploit?
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✭ZoS doesn't want anyone doing anything other than playing their quest lines over and over and over again. This is why they always 'nerf' anything outside of the long, tedious quest grinds. They're not selling a game anymore, they're basically selling a 'choose your own adventure' book.
If you read the patch notes, you'll notice that the dwemer motif grinding was nerfed to. Neither nerf really affects me, but I am bothered that ZoS keeps nerfing innocuous activities that don't really affect other players. If a player wants to focus on maximizing their income for a period of time, or if a player wants to work on maximizing their XP gain for a period of time, ZoS just brings down the nerf hammer. There's no reason for it, other than to appease a small segment of self entitled players who can't stand that someone might have something they don't. ZoS just seems to be purposely removing any rationale for most people to play.
