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Tamriel Unlimited, limited?
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Misa✭✭✭I can't see why they would have anything to do with eachother. besides limited time cash shop items is a thing used in pretty much every game with a cash shop3 -
pysta✭✭✭I can't see why they would have anything to do with eachother. besides limited time cash shop items is a thing used in pretty much every game with a cash shop
It is just strange that they use the slogan unlimited to attack people back in the game and when they are in their web they rush them with limited contain... ?1 -
pysta✭✭✭I can't see why they would have anything to do with eachother. besides limited time cash shop items is a thing used in pretty much every game with a cash shop
It is just strange that they use the slogan unlimited to attack people back in the game and when they are in their web they rush them with limited contain... ?
Guess I'm also a little sad I wont be able to get one after paying my subscription to them and my friend.
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pysta✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Can't tell if the OP is being serious...
The question is why limited? Why not just keep it there and let people buy it when they can?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Can't tell if the OP is being serious...
The question is why limited? Why not just keep it there and let people buy it when they can?
Because then there would be less incentive to buy crowns now and purchase the mount immediately?
Do you want a more thorough explanation of how sales and limited time offers work in a capitalist society?----
Murray?1 -
Misa✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Can't tell if the OP is being serious...
The question is why limited? Why not just keep it there and let people buy it when they can?
because they decided to have limited time content sometimes, they got plenty of mounts in the shop too that you can buy whenever you want.Edited by Misa on April 18, 2015 12:00PM0 -
pysta✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Can't tell if the OP is being serious...
The question is why limited? Why not just keep it there and let people buy it when they can?
because they decided to have limited time content sometimes, they got plenty of mounts in the shop too that you can buy whenever you want.
So you are telling me if you could not afford this mount this month and it was the one you desire and know it would be gone before you can afford it you would be ok with it? Should I be ok with it then?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Can't tell if the OP is being serious...
The question is why limited? Why not just keep it there and let people buy it when they can?
because they decided to have limited time content sometimes, they got plenty of mounts in the shop too that you can buy whenever you want.
So you are telling me if you could not afford this mount this month and it was the one you desire and know it would be gone before you can afford it you would be ok with it? Should I be ok with it then?
Yes.
Glad we cleared that up.----
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Misa✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Can't tell if the OP is being serious...
The question is why limited? Why not just keep it there and let people buy it when they can?
because they decided to have limited time content sometimes, they got plenty of mounts in the shop too that you can buy whenever you want.
So you are telling me if you could not afford this mount this month and it was the one you desire and know it would be gone before you can afford it you would be ok with it? Should I be ok with it then?
that's the way limited content works yeah.
I don't think they said it won't ever be for sale again though. so if you can't afford it now, save your money and buy it later if it comes up.Edited by Misa on April 18, 2015 12:06PM1 -
pysta✭✭✭Full Definition of GAME
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a (1) : activity engaged in for diversion or amusement :
Key components of games are goals, rules, challenge, and interaction. Games generally involve mental or physical stimulation, and often both. Many games help develop practical skills, serve as a form of exercise, or otherwise perform an educational, simulational, or psychological role.
Where is the achievement or reward (goal) involve in never be able to get something you want in a game where other could at that moment because it is limited? There is many horses for example yes but only 1 feline mount... and it's a limited thus if you feel it's your goal to get it but because of real-life finance you cannot at this moment thus your game pleasure drop for not being able to achieve your goal for limiting the time in hope they get as much as they can in a specific time. It's sad that game rewards now are often put in favor for real life term than in-game context term.0 -
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✭"Limited items" create a much enhanced desire to acquire them as opposed to items that will still be available in an indefinite amount of time. It creates exactly the effect desired as the OP shows: "it is limited, I want to have it". Congratulations, you have just discovered the power of advertisements.
No one is immune to that allure. Some resist it more than others, but in general this is the principle of our society.
Enough with the philosophy. The leopard is limited because if it wouldn't be, no one would spend the amount of money it actually costs, it would always be "I'll buy it when and if I have that amount of crowns to spare, not now".
You want that? Buy the crowns and get it. But you have to do it now, because tomorrow you can't have it anymore.
Limited is a much more elusive wording than saying "availability is time restricted". Also, the alternative wouldn't fit into the small frame of the advertisement.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Full Definition of GAME
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a (1) : activity engaged in for diversion or amusement :
Key components of games are goals, rules, challenge, and interaction. Games generally involve mental or physical stimulation, and often both. Many games help develop practical skills, serve as a form of exercise, or otherwise perform an educational, simulational, or psychological role.
Where is the achievement or reward (goal) involve in never be able to get something you want in a game where other could at that moment because it is limited? There is many horses for example yes but only 1 feline mount... and it's a limited thus if you feel it's your goal to get it but because of real-life finance you cannot at this moment thus your game pleasure drop for not being able to achieve your goal for limiting the time in hope they get as much as they can in a specific time. It's sad that game rewards now are often put in favor for real life term than in-game context term.
Then your only option is to overthrow the system, because this is how capitalism works.----
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✭✭✭✭✭Limited by paying customers only....which isn't a reference to the term unlimited. I'm in no way rich or wealthy but nothing in this game is limited to most unless they are low on money IRL. Which in those cases, maybe playing TESO isn't the best use of one's time.
Unlimited is in reference to the removal of a required sub for access to playEdited by NewBlacksmurf on April 18, 2015 12:42PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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No. Capitalism works on the basis of bottom lines. If people recognize this for what it is (a purely artificial gimmick and marketing ploy) and boycott limited-time content, ZOS will stop adding it to the store and people can happily go about spending their crowns in other stuff.nerevarine1138 wrote: »Full Definition of GAME
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a (1) : activity engaged in for diversion or amusement :
Key components of games are goals, rules, challenge, and interaction. Games generally involve mental or physical stimulation, and often both. Many games help develop practical skills, serve as a form of exercise, or otherwise perform an educational, simulational, or psychological role.
Where is the achievement or reward (goal) involve in never be able to get something you want in a game where other could at that moment because it is limited? There is many horses for example yes but only 1 feline mount... and it's a limited thus if you feel it's your goal to get it but because of real-life finance you cannot at this moment thus your game pleasure drop for not being able to achieve your goal for limiting the time in hope they get as much as they can in a specific time. It's sad that game rewards now are often put in favor for real life term than in-game context term.
Then your only option is to overthrow the system, because this is how capitalism works.
I agree with OP, though I also think the thread title isn't the most appropriate. Time-limited offers are particularly offensive (for me) with regard to digital content. It's not like they have to wait for senche cubs to be born somewhere far away, bring them over in bulk and sell them. These are pixels and bits, nothing more. They have full control of what goes in the store, when and for what price. I'm a subscriber since early access and have kept my sub, I could have bought the leopard but refuse to validate these tactics. I may be in the minority, but who knows? Maybe more people will sit on their crowns until some actual content shows up in the store.Edited by daemonios on April 18, 2015 12:24PM1 -
Misa✭✭✭
No. Capitalism works on the basis of bottom lines. If people recognize this for what it is (a purely artificial gimmick and marketing ploy) and boycott limited-time content, ZOS will stop adding it to the store and people can happily go about spending their crowns in other stuff.nerevarine1138 wrote: »Full Definition of GAME
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a (1) : activity engaged in for diversion or amusement :
Key components of games are goals, rules, challenge, and interaction. Games generally involve mental or physical stimulation, and often both. Many games help develop practical skills, serve as a form of exercise, or otherwise perform an educational, simulational, or psychological role.
Where is the achievement or reward (goal) involve in never be able to get something you want in a game where other could at that moment because it is limited? There is many horses for example yes but only 1 feline mount... and it's a limited thus if you feel it's your goal to get it but because of real-life finance you cannot at this moment thus your game pleasure drop for not being able to achieve your goal for limiting the time in hope they get as much as they can in a specific time. It's sad that game rewards now are often put in favor for real life term than in-game context term.
Then your only option is to overthrow the system, because this is how capitalism works.
I agree with OP, though I also think the thread title isn't the most appropriate. Time-limited offers are particularly offensive (for me) with regard to digital content. It's not like they have to wait for senche cubs to be born somewhere far away, bring them over in bulk and sell them. These are pixels and bits, nothing more. They have full control of what goes in the store, when and for what price. I'm a subscriber since early access and have kept my sub, I could have bought the leopard but refuse to validate these tactics. I may be in the minority, but who knows? Maybe more people will sit on their crowns until some actual content shows up in the store.
limited content like this gives off the feeling of having something "unique" that you can show off.2 -
pysta✭✭✭
No. Capitalism works on the basis of bottom lines. If people recognize this for what it is (a purely artificial gimmick and marketing ploy) and boycott limited-time content, ZOS will stop adding it to the store and people can happily go about spending their crowns in other stuff.nerevarine1138 wrote: »Full Definition of GAME
1
a (1) : activity engaged in for diversion or amusement :
Key components of games are goals, rules, challenge, and interaction. Games generally involve mental or physical stimulation, and often both. Many games help develop practical skills, serve as a form of exercise, or otherwise perform an educational, simulational, or psychological role.
Where is the achievement or reward (goal) involve in never be able to get something you want in a game where other could at that moment because it is limited? There is many horses for example yes but only 1 feline mount... and it's a limited thus if you feel it's your goal to get it but because of real-life finance you cannot at this moment thus your game pleasure drop for not being able to achieve your goal for limiting the time in hope they get as much as they can in a specific time. It's sad that game rewards now are often put in favor for real life term than in-game context term.
Then your only option is to overthrow the system, because this is how capitalism works.
I agree with OP, though I also think the thread title isn't the most appropriate. Time-limited offers are particularly offensive (for me) with regard to digital content. It's not like they have to wait for senche cubs to be born somewhere far away, bring them over in bulk and sell them. These are pixels and bits, nothing more. They have full control of what goes in the store, when and for what price. I'm a subscriber since early access and have kept my sub, I could have bought the leopard but refuse to validate these tactics. I may be in the minority, but who knows? Maybe more people will sit on their crowns until some actual content shows up in the store.
limited content like this gives off the feeling of having something "unique" that you can show off.
But what make you better than me or anyone else if you have it? Why couldn't I? I am a subscriber also. It's just not the right week for me but next week no problem! In a way it's about being able to always afford something at the moment it's announce and other time it's about luck that you can afford it the moment they decide to show it... 4 days to get something that is 25$ also... and much more if you are in Canada near the end of the month doesn't give you much time. Usually when game company bring the "limited time only" it's more than week to give everyone time to get at least a pay check (which is usually 2 weeks).0 -
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No. Capitalism works on the basis of bottom lines. If people recognize this for what it is (a purely artificial gimmick and marketing ploy) and boycott limited-time content, ZOS will stop adding it to the store and people can happily go about spending their crowns in other stuff.nerevarine1138 wrote: »Full Definition of GAME
1
a (1) : activity engaged in for diversion or amusement :
Key components of games are goals, rules, challenge, and interaction. Games generally involve mental or physical stimulation, and often both. Many games help develop practical skills, serve as a form of exercise, or otherwise perform an educational, simulational, or psychological role.
Where is the achievement or reward (goal) involve in never be able to get something you want in a game where other could at that moment because it is limited? There is many horses for example yes but only 1 feline mount... and it's a limited thus if you feel it's your goal to get it but because of real-life finance you cannot at this moment thus your game pleasure drop for not being able to achieve your goal for limiting the time in hope they get as much as they can in a specific time. It's sad that game rewards now are often put in favor for real life term than in-game context term.
Then your only option is to overthrow the system, because this is how capitalism works.
I agree with OP, though I also think the thread title isn't the most appropriate. Time-limited offers are particularly offensive (for me) with regard to digital content. It's not like they have to wait for senche cubs to be born somewhere far away, bring them over in bulk and sell them. These are pixels and bits, nothing more. They have full control of what goes in the store, when and for what price. I'm a subscriber since early access and have kept my sub, I could have bought the leopard but refuse to validate these tactics. I may be in the minority, but who knows? Maybe more people will sit on their crowns until some actual content shows up in the store.
limited content like this gives off the feeling of having something "unique" that you can show off.
But what make you better than me or anyone else if you have it? Why couldn't I? I am a subscriber also. It's just not the right week for me but next week no problem! In a way it's about being able to always afford something at the moment it's announce and other time it's about luck that you can afford it the moment they decide to show it... 4 days to get something that is 25$ also... and much more if you are in Canada near the end of the month doesn't give you much time. Usually when game company bring the "limited time only" it's more than week to give everyone time to get at least a pay check (which is usually 2 weeks).
No one is claiming to be "better" than you.
I'd love to get the leopard. I don't have the money to do so. So I act like an adult and move on, knowing that there will be other things to buy in the future.----
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Heishi✭✭✭✭✭Don't worry, the way these usually work is even if you don't get the limited one now, there will be another in the future. I would wager money there will be more. You see, it's a marketing ploy. What they do is put out a limited edition thing that people either A) Rush to get earning a short boost in money or B ) People who couldn't get it become very active in voicing their desire for it which builds up hype. Then they release another "Because people have demanded it so much and they wanna make the players happy". Usually this is the "back by popular demand" gimmick.
Look at what they already did with it. They release a Senche Tiger Mount for people who put in 300 days. A month later after people rallied and said they wanted one too, the release a limited edition Leopard mount so that all these people would rush to get it.
Let's be honest, I'm sure a considerable amount of work went into designing and implementing this new model for the mount, I highly doubt they are just going to let it go after a reward and a limited edition. If I were going to speculate, I would say the next one will be a black panther type of cat mount. Although tbh, I suspect there will be another guar mount before there is another senche.And so did many brave men, women, and beast fall to the end of Beta, never to be heard from again. All that is left, is whispers of the adventures they had.1 -
pysta✭✭✭Also... why not even give you a quest to get the item? I mean... the pleasure of a game is to achieve a goal... to be given all easily in your hand... "pay the item" "use it" "show it" ... now what? A fun way I believe they could turn this is when you buy something off a market like a DLC from a game is to give you a quest or something... For the leopard let say... it could be about saving it?nerevarine1138 wrote: »
No. Capitalism works on the basis of bottom lines. If people recognize this for what it is (a purely artificial gimmick and marketing ploy) and boycott limited-time content, ZOS will stop adding it to the store and people can happily go about spending their crowns in other stuff.nerevarine1138 wrote: »Full Definition of GAME
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a (1) : activity engaged in for diversion or amusement :
Key components of games are goals, rules, challenge, and interaction. Games generally involve mental or physical stimulation, and often both. Many games help develop practical skills, serve as a form of exercise, or otherwise perform an educational, simulational, or psychological role.
Where is the achievement or reward (goal) involve in never be able to get something you want in a game where other could at that moment because it is limited? There is many horses for example yes but only 1 feline mount... and it's a limited thus if you feel it's your goal to get it but because of real-life finance you cannot at this moment thus your game pleasure drop for not being able to achieve your goal for limiting the time in hope they get as much as they can in a specific time. It's sad that game rewards now are often put in favor for real life term than in-game context term.
Then your only option is to overthrow the system, because this is how capitalism works.
I agree with OP, though I also think the thread title isn't the most appropriate. Time-limited offers are particularly offensive (for me) with regard to digital content. It's not like they have to wait for senche cubs to be born somewhere far away, bring them over in bulk and sell them. These are pixels and bits, nothing more. They have full control of what goes in the store, when and for what price. I'm a subscriber since early access and have kept my sub, I could have bought the leopard but refuse to validate these tactics. I may be in the minority, but who knows? Maybe more people will sit on their crowns until some actual content shows up in the store.
limited content like this gives off the feeling of having something "unique" that you can show off.
But what make you better than me or anyone else if you have it? Why couldn't I? I am a subscriber also. It's just not the right week for me but next week no problem! In a way it's about being able to always afford something at the moment it's announce and other time it's about luck that you can afford it the moment they decide to show it... 4 days to get something that is 25$ also... and much more if you are in Canada near the end of the month doesn't give you much time. Usually when game company bring the "limited time only" it's more than week to give everyone time to get at least a pay check (which is usually 2 weeks).
No one is claiming to be "better" than you.
I'd love to get the leopard. I don't have the money to do so. So I act like an adult and move on, knowing that there will be other things to buy in the future.
Being an Adult does not mean you should just sit on your desire and forget about them but instead try to find a way so it can be achieve or even... try to make things change so you have at least enough time to achieve them. Nothing is forever but in the digital world they have that power as long as they do not focus only on their wallet but also the people who fill them.0 -
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✭✭Hehe, I like the thread is well spotted. That said, unlimited does refer to being able to play and use all features without paying extra money.
We don't need to spend money to ride horses, enter dungeons, craft items, use motifs and dyes ...
It remains to be seen how this will change once the DLC´s roll on. Then ESO might indeed become limited so the name change to "unlimited" would had been misleading.1 -
Zershar_Vemod✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »Can't tell if the OP is being serious...
The question is why limited? Why not just keep it there and let people buy it when they can?
When you are old enough, take a marketing class at a university.House Nyssara (NA)
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pysta✭✭✭Zershar_Vemod wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Can't tell if the OP is being serious...
The question is why limited? Why not just keep it there and let people buy it when they can?
When you are old enough, take a marketing class at a university.
And I assume that your comment toward my person make you a much more wise old enough person who took that class? Very "classy"!1 -
Moonglum83✭✭✭You have every right to feel the way you @pysta, but I don't agree with you.
Special editions, limited time offers, sales - these apply to anything from toothpaste to online services. It sucks when you don't have money to buy something that is on sale or that is a limited edition, but these things always move in cycles.
I'm sorry this has affected you so negatively, from what I can gather in your posts. Maybe it is time to try and look at the bigger picture, if that helps in any way - which is that the Leopard Senche will at some point be back in the store.0 -
desciviib14_ESO✭✭✭ALL stores use limited time offers, usually referred to as sales; though, many "sales" are not any cheaper than the regular price. People should already be accustomed to this style of marketing, it's not like it's a bold step or anything.There is nothing here of interest to any nations; as a matter of fact, there is nothing here but people.0 -
lihentian✭✭✭✭✭it is umlimited.. you just missing some small text invisible to mortal eye.. here let me show them to you
Edited by lihentian on April 18, 2015 4:04PM0 -
Talrenos✭✭✭✭Why is this surprising? ZOS failed making a monthly sub game; no one wanted to actually pay money for this. Now they are failing at the next step; Free to buy then play. The last step after this implementation fails is totally free to play and download, followed by Free to stare at your expensive box when they shut down the servers. That will be next year...0 -
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✭✭Why is this surprising? ZOS failed making a monthly sub game; no one wanted to actually pay money for this. Now they are failing at the next step; Free to buy then play. The last step after this implementation fails is totally free to play and download, followed by Free to stare at your expensive box when they shut down the servers. That will be next year...
I was absolutely fine paying a monthly sub fee. As many others. I would also be happier if they kept it that way. Without a store and added the stuff in to earn or as rewards for something.
This new b2p crownstore focus drives me off the game..
As soon as the first dlc is out, the "unlimited" is obsolete.
Edited by xMovingTarget on April 18, 2015 4:29PM0
