My first ever purple motif, disappearing in front of my eyes

Jitterbug

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

You can still pick it up with guards. Just choose to run and hope for the best I've seen many a person running out of Shornhelm with the law chasing them

Sorry for your loss....but the good news is, for only a small amount of Crowns, you can get it back

"Small"

vovus69

I am always doing as said - open container, close it and if it was something useful, go sneak and steal. I NEVER had anything disappeared. I am doing it a lot before and after 1.6 and never saw what OP described. I saw this sometimes with raw mats like ironweed, but never in the city with containers.

demonaffinity

I just found a Barbaric Motif in the same Inn! Im no longer in a bad mood haha

UrQuan

Zosia wrote: »

danovic wrote: »

the things exist in all the phases and someone else harvested it

This is the correct answer.

No, it's actually not. If it were a chest, or an alchemy node, or some other resource that is shared, then it would be the correct answer. Container contents, however, are player-specific (just like loot drops from mobs). I suspect there's something in the code that causes a container that's been opened to become empty shortly after it was closed, regardless of whether the contents were looted.

Egonieser

Quest and companion NPCs do not detect or report you for stealing. The ONLY npc's you should look out for are the ones you can pickpocket or kill and guards too obviously.
Important quest npc's will never report you, you can steal right in front of them, because they are exempt from justice system, so steal away, just make sure ordinary ones are not in a mix. Easiest way to tell is, they will have a level next to their name.

drackonir

demonaffinity wrote: »

I just found a Barbaric Motif in the same Inn! Im no longer in a bad mood haha

ok, so now we know that you are just motifs farmer and get angry earlier on as you wasted time for no reward

zeuseason

If a NPC sees you grab something important just let them kill without guards and you keep the item. This is how I got a purp motiff.

driosketch

This isn't limited to rare motifs. This happens all the time with owned containers. If I check, but for whatever reason don't grab the contents, and later change my mind and go back even after a short while, sometimes the container will then display as empty.

Aett_Thorn

UrQuan wrote: »

Zosia wrote: »

danovic wrote: »

the things exist in all the phases and someone else harvested it

This is the correct answer.

No, it's actually not. If it were a chest, or an alchemy node, or some other resource that is shared, then it would be the correct answer. Container contents, however, are player-specific (just like loot drops from mobs). I suspect there's something in the code that causes a container that's been opened to become empty shortly after it was closed, regardless of whether the contents were looted.

Yup, most containers are instanced to the player. This is why you can run around in a packed building, with everyone looting everything in site, and still have stuff to steal yourself.

However, like I said on the first page, these containers respawn on a timer. So if you get unlucky, you can catch something right on the edge of this timer, close it, and it respawns, the items it contained will just *poof* disappear.

demonaffinity

drackonir wrote: »

demonaffinity wrote: »

I just found a Barbaric Motif in the same Inn! Im no longer in a bad mood haha

ok, so now we know that you are just motifs farmer and get angry earlier on as you wasted time for no reward

Im not motif farming, Im trying to get my legerdemain up. And it was a big deal to me because it was the very first purple motif I have ever found. But thanks for being so understanding lol

Sandmanninja

why in the world don't you have autoloot for stolen items turned on?
Why go to the trouble and risk of stealing something, only NOT to loot it?

I have turned it on, steal steal steal, then when I'm back at the refuge, I see what new things I have collected.

I'm sure the random number generator just said, "oh - item not looted. ok reset for next person that opens the drawer".
nothing sinister. just rng and not looting the thing to start with.

chalk it up to a life lesson and autoloot everything

Necrelios

You can just read the motif before the guards catch you to learn the skill. Easily worth the small gold bounty for an extremely rare motif.

UrQuan

Sandmanninja wrote: »

why in the world don't you have autoloot for stolen items turned on?

Probably the same reason I don't have it turned on. Because sometimes it's handy to be able to look in the container first without the risk of getting a bounty before you decide whether to steal the contents.

demonaffinity

Necrelios wrote: »

You can just read the motif before the guards catch you to learn the skill. Easily worth the small gold bounty for an extremely rare motif.

My Nightblade is not my crafter, but yea, otherwise I would have done that

sheggorathb16_ESO

And the moral of this is your thief should also be your crafter.

Sphinx2318

skarvika wrote: »

It should have still been in the nightstand, regardless of if you were stealthed or not. That sucks though, sorry to hear that. I'd be pissed.

Not true actually. There is a feature that removes items from containers after you have been revealed by a local npc.

MissBizz

This happens to me all the time, well, not with a motif... But any item green or better. I chalked it up to being on a timer.. If you look in the drawer and take too long to get back to it.. It goes empty. I have learned to be quick at reopening it and since have not had this problem.

EddieHavok

Knootewoot wrote: »

drackonir wrote: »

lol, and you were bothered about 40 gold or so bounty?

You could just take it and wait some 10 min for the bounty to disappear or log off for a while.
It is all your own fault

Or just steal it and use it immediately. If caught, no stolen items.

I think that some of the purple motifs require 9/9 passive from the craft before they allow you to use it so it just sits in your inventory til then.

Dekkameron

EddieHavok wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

drackonir wrote: »

lol, and you were bothered about 40 gold or so bounty?

You could just take it and wait some 10 min for the bounty to disappear or log off for a while.
It is all your own fault

Or just steal it and use it immediately. If caught, no stolen items.

I think that some of the purple motifs require 9/9 passive from the craft before they allow you to use it so it just sits in your inventory til then.

Interesting choice of necro....

SugaComa

demonaffinity wrote: »

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

You can still pick it up with guards. Just choose to run and hope for the best I've seen many a person running out of Shornhelm with the law chasing them

Sorry for your loss....but the good news is, for only a small amount of Crowns, you can get it back

I dont want the Primal for my collection, I wanted to sell it for the gold. 30k is a lot of money for me, especially since I donate a lot of money to others to make sure they can get their horses.

30k for primal purple motif.... Lol... Theyre like 400g on PS4

Asherons_Call

Vaerth wrote: »

demonaffinity wrote: »

So I have a rather unfortunate experience to share. But also one that will hopefully prevent it from happening to any of you.

I was questing in Deshaan, and I had one of those quest NPC's following me. (Whooptie f*cking doo). I went into a house, and started to steal things despite this annoying NPC following me, and preventing me to go into hidden state. I move around to make her face away from me, while I steal things, to prevent getting a bounty.

I go into another house, I go upstairs and I see a Primal Motif in a nightstand. This is my first ever rare motif, so I was very excited and very happy. But I still had this god damn NPC up my rear, so I had to position myself properly to pick it up. Right as Im about to pick it up, the nightstand appears empty. NO ONE else is in the room. Basically, the motif just disappeares.

Safe to say I'm extremely unhappy right now. My first ever rare motif just disappearing in front of my eyes.

If you EVER find a rare motif, pick it up regardless of the sitaution (as long guards are not right around you), and just log out and wait for the bounty to go away.

Yes i have had this happen with many items, seems like if you open anything else, move to far, or take more than a few second whatever is there will disappear.

This is exactly what is happening. If you keep standing next to the desk, nightstand, etc, the item will not despawn. The moment you take a few steps away it is gone

Surragard

This feature is probably caked in to save on memory. Imagine if you run through the house opening a bunch of containers then leave. The game has to remember what the inventory was in all those containers. Makes sense that you have a couple second window after you close it before it resets.

dodgehopper_ESO

IF you can run while your inventory menu is up, you can also learn the motif before the guard nabs you. This assumes you want the thief to learn the motif or recipe.

Pheefs

Zosia wrote: »

danovic wrote: »

the things exist in all the phases and someone else harvested it

This is the correct answer.

the problem with this theory, I play as a duo with my husband & we never see the same things inside containers...

& I like to case the joint to see what's worth taking, but if I decide NOT to steal something it almost always disappears

RAGUNAnoOne

I seen this before, the container must have reset a second before you attempted the second grab. Unlike the solo ES games this can happen even if you are just about to activate them. happens a lot to me I am so sorry for your loss.