Supposed to be a War? That was ruined the second they made guilds MultiFaction!

SteveCampsOut

Prove me wrong!

Betahkiin

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BrassRazoo

Multiple Guilds and Multi-Faction Guilds never made sense to me at all.
They try and stop you from "spying" in PvP by limiting which of your characters can enter which campaign on one account but then they let you join multiple guilds with any or all alliances.
Not that this would help with TS / Skype anyway but still seems strange.

Betahkiin

What sense are all games where different factions fight an enemy in common?

Three factions together to eliminate Molag Bal?

Because are found in common objectives which are usually more important, that is why three enemies can unite under one banner, to perform tasks in search of a common good for once removed the top threat to continue with the absurd fights every day.

Samadhi

Betahkiin wrote: »

What sense are all games where different factions fight an enemy in common?

Three factions together to eliminate Molag Bal?

Because are found in common objectives which are usually more important, that is why three enemies can unite under one banner, to perform tasks in search of a common good for once removed the top threat to continue with the absurd fights every day.

It is part of the main story line that the leaders of the three factions refuse to join together to fight Molag Bal -- the war in Cyrodiil is considered too important.

Multi-faction guilds could just be the player equivalent of the Mages Guild and Fighter's Guild though.

Eliteseraph

I figured it was more about account utility than anything else.

Lord_Kreegan

Eliteseraph wrote: »

I figured it was more about account utility than anything else.

I think it was more in recognition that:

1. Single faction guilds were unlikely to remain viable for very long given the usual turnover of players; and
2. Giving the players the ability to join multiple guilds at the same time was the only way to rationalize not having an auction house.

As it is, many guilds end up as ghost towns even with multi-faction capability and -- I suspect -- the guild trader system doesn't work very well.

"The best laid plans of mice and men often go astray..." Especially in MMOs...

kevlarto_ESO

Being able to travel to friends, thus letting you have different faction toon in the same campaign, I think is not good thing I also think cross faction chat is bad it is a war, I have never sent a tell to any enemy on the battle field I have received a few, which most of the time goes straight to ignore nasty hate tell, the multi faction guild things, not sure about that.

UrQuan

Given that you can have multiple characters across multiple factions, and given that your guilds are account-based, it would be flat-out impossible to not allow multi-faction guilds.

Lord_Kreegan

UrQuan wrote: »

Given that you can have multiple characters across multiple factions, and given that your guilds are account-based, it would be flat-out impossible to not allow multi-faction guilds.

So don't make guilds account-based...

AssaultLemming

Lord_Kreegan wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Given that you can have multiple characters across multiple factions, and given that your guilds are account-based, it would be flat-out impossible to not allow multi-faction guilds.

So don't make guilds account-based...

Except then you need to up the guild member limit by a lot to account for alts.

Anilahation

Yeah because there are no spies or double agents in war...

ers101284b14_ESO

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BOOM!

SteveCampsOut

@ers101284b14_ESO Wins!

Cody

I personally don't see the problem with it. Some of the people I have the most fun with are in the other alliances.

and besides, if you are going to let petty alliance rivalry keep you from stopping molag bal from enslaving all of mankind.... then you need to re-think your priorities:)

liammozzb16_ESO

Cody wrote: »

oh my god.... that person is in the dominion!!! they must eb hated and loathed at all costs, for no reason!!!!! NO OPEN MINDEDNESS ALLOWED.

Well yeah you don't consort either the enemy during war time.

Can just imagine it now Biggs, porkins, TK-14325 and moff Tarkin all down the cantina sharing a glass off jawa juice. While they have some leave

SteveCampsOut

liammozzb16_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

oh my god.... that person is in the dominion!!! they must eb hated and loathed at all costs, for no reason!!!!! NO OPEN MINDEDNESS ALLOWED.

Well yeah you don't consort either the enemy during war time.

Can just imagine it now Biggs, porkins, TK-14325 and moff Tarkin all down the cantina sharing a glass off jawa juice. While they have some leave

Somehow, I don't think Cody quite comprehends what WAR really means. Last time I looked, the Wars in the real world weren't exactly between beneficent leaders with open minds...

AlnilamE

OP: By your logic, the actual problem is that we can make characters in more than one faction. The problem is not the guild membership.

AssaultLemming wrote: »

Lord_Kreegan wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Given that you can have multiple characters across multiple factions, and given that your guilds are account-based, it would be flat-out impossible to not allow multi-faction guilds.

So don't make guilds account-based...

Except then you need to up the guild member limit by a lot to account for alts.

Guild membership is account-based. It doesn't matter how many alts you have, your account always counts as one spot in the guild roster.

SteveCampsOut

AlnilamE wrote: »

OP: By your logic, the actual problem is that we can make characters in more than one faction. The problem is not the guild membership.

Wow, you really aren't brilliant are you. It's exactly the guild membership being account based and not character based that's at issue here! The first game that had RvR, DAoC, did it correctly and guilds were completely Realm/faction based! You didn't have ANY communication with the enemy via any in game systems! There were NO Trade guilds or auction houses! If you wanted to spy on your enemy, you had to buy a second account and create new characters in their realm on their server!

In DAoC, you actually had Realm Pride! People actually gave a damn about their realm and storyline and there was no "Playing through their Storyline" to achieve any new levels! If you wanted to communicate with the enemy realms, you had to use 3rd party outside voice or chat software and these could get your account banned if detected.