Is Crystal Fragments balanced?

bg22

Do you believe that a max range, chance to instantly proc, knockdown ability capable of hitting for 18k is balanced?

(Please post your class below after you vote)

jluceyub17_ESO

Yes.

It's a giant crystal the size of your character that's in the air for close to 2 seconds when fired from max range, put some impen on, block, dodge, use a damage shield, or bounce it back.

Aren't you the dude who refuses to level up your toon? And now you're complaining about getting wrecked by max level characters? What did you expect?

kokoandshinb14a_ESO

Yes.

Every class has access to strong dps moves, every class.

bg22

No

jluceyub17_ESO wrote: »

It's a giant crystal the size of your character that's in the air for close to 2 seconds when fired from max range, put some impen on, block, dodge, use a damage shield, or bounce it back.

Aren't you the dude who refuses to level up your toon? And now you're complaining about getting wrecked by max level characters? What did you expect?

It instantly procs. Cool story tho. Tell me what other class abilities on par with this have a chance to do that? And are maxed range.

kokoandshinb14a_ESO wrote: »

Every class has access to strong dps moves, every class.

So, name a few that are max range abilities, hit this hard, and have a chance to instantly proc and CC.

jluceyub17_ESO

Yes.

bg22 wrote: »

jluceyub17_ESO wrote: »

It's a giant crystal the size of your character that's in the air for close to 2 seconds when fired from max range, put some impen on, block, dodge, use a damage shield, or bounce it back.

Aren't you the dude who refuses to level up your toon? And now you're complaining about getting wrecked by max level characters? What did you expect?

It instantly procs. Cool story tho. Tell me what other class abilities on par with this have a chance to do that? And are maxed range.

kokoandshinb14a_ESO wrote: »

Every class has access to strong dps moves, every class.

So, name a few that are max range abilities, hit this hard, and have a chance to instantly proc and CC.

The instant proc doesn't effect the fact that it spends a long time in the air, during which you have ample time to counter/avoid it. Also snipe has farther range than crystal frag, so "maxed range" isn't really accurate.

Tonturri

Yes.

Geez, what kind of armor are you using if it is hitting you for 18k? Mine usually lands for 3-5k. I think I saw an 8k crit against a really squishy player.

So, name a few that are max range abilities, hit this hard, and have a chance to instantly proc and CC.

I'm somewhat confused - are you asking if abilities have been homogenized to the point where there are multiple copies of the same ability, or...?

Armitas

Flaminir

Yes.

The wording of your poll is so biased and designed in an attempt to lead people to agree with you its quite breathtaking.

You could just as easily have worded it:

Do you think an ability that:
... takes several seconds of very obvious animation to fire
... has a very large projectile
... that moves relatively slowly
... that has to have a certain build
... luck with crits
... with a certain skill fired directly before it
... that can be negated by: Block, dodgeroll, reflective scales, cloak, defensive posture etc...
is balanced??

I could post a poll with that wording to try & get it buffed.

Two sides to every coin...

Its strong if the above conditions are met, but its also the easiest ranged nuke to counter... I suggest that you learn the counters.

Flaminir

Yes.

jluceyub17_ESO wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

jluceyub17_ESO wrote: »

It's a giant crystal the size of your character that's in the air for close to 2 seconds when fired from max range, put some impen on, block, dodge, use a damage shield, or bounce it back.

Aren't you the dude who refuses to level up your toon? And now you're complaining about getting wrecked by max level characters? What did you expect?

It instantly procs. Cool story tho. Tell me what other class abilities on par with this have a chance to do that? And are maxed range.

kokoandshinb14a_ESO wrote: »

Every class has access to strong dps moves, every class.

So, name a few that are max range abilities, hit this hard, and have a chance to instantly proc and CC.

The instant proc doesn't effect the fact that it spends a long time in the air, during which you have ample time to counter/avoid it. Also snipe has farther range than crystal frag, so "maxed range" isn't really accurate.

It also isn't exactly instant... and the sorc has bright glowy hands!!!

To add to the list of possible counters.... avoid / block / dodgeroll / cloak / shield / scales / d'posture... when you see a sorc with bright tell tale glowy hands!!!

jluceyub17_ESO

Yes.

Flaminir wrote: »

jluceyub17_ESO wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

jluceyub17_ESO wrote: »

It's a giant crystal the size of your character that's in the air for close to 2 seconds when fired from max range, put some impen on, block, dodge, use a damage shield, or bounce it back.

Aren't you the dude who refuses to level up your toon? And now you're complaining about getting wrecked by max level characters? What did you expect?

It instantly procs. Cool story tho. Tell me what other class abilities on par with this have a chance to do that? And are maxed range.

kokoandshinb14a_ESO wrote: »

Every class has access to strong dps moves, every class.

So, name a few that are max range abilities, hit this hard, and have a chance to instantly proc and CC.

The instant proc doesn't effect the fact that it spends a long time in the air, during which you have ample time to counter/avoid it. Also snipe has farther range than crystal frag, so "maxed range" isn't really accurate.

It also isn't exactly instant... and the sorc has bright glowy hands!!!

To add to the list of possible counters.... avoid / block / dodgeroll / cloak / shield / scales / d'posture... when you see a sorc with bright tell tale glowy hands!!!

Exactly, glowy hands in general is sign of danger from sorcs. Either incoming frag, or overload attacks, or both!

Also 18k crit hit! I wish i could get numbers like that, guess I'm shooting at the wrong targets. What's your gear/build/CP allocation OP?

Nestor

Yes.

Flaminir wrote: »

... with a certain skill fired directly before it

What Certain Skill is that? Surge or Inner Light or something else?

Flaminir

Yes.

jluceyub17_ESO wrote: »

It's a giant crystal the size of your character that's in the air for close to 2 seconds when fired from max range, put some impen on, block, dodge, use a damage shield, or bounce it back.

Aren't you the dude who refuses to level up your toon? And now you're complaining about getting wrecked by max level characters? What did you expect?

Yep that's the guy. He already got a thread like this deleted once already today.

Like the frag... he just doesn't seem to open his eyes & see it coming!

jluceyub17_ESO

Yes.

Nestor wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

... with a certain skill fired directly before it

What Certain Skill is that? Surge or Inner Light or something else?

I'd guess Entropy for the Spell dmg boost and Mage's Guild passive to boost damage.

Flaminir

Yes.

Nestor wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

... with a certain skill fired directly before it

What Certain Skill is that? Surge or Inner Light or something else?

He posted a screenshot in his earlier thread, that got deleted, that made it look like the attacker (Alliance rank 35 btw!) had fired Entropy before hand... so got a 20% damage boost via the mages guild passive.

ArcanusMagus

No

bg22 wrote: »

Do you believe that a max range, chance to instantly proc, knockdown ability capable of hitting for 18k is balanced?

(Please post your class below after you vote)

No, it should also heal the caster.


Frankly, you have to be careful when you cast it. Watch for reflective scales (or time it perfectly). Sometimes the defensive posture (right morph) sheen on characters is hard to spot - that can also end badly. My worst fear when I cast that is that it could come right back at me, then there's the stamina cost of a roll dodge on top of the magicka cost for crystal fragments. I don't think it's unbalanced at all.

Tonturri

Yes.

No, it should also heal the caster.

Doesn't it? I think the passive that heals upon an ability from the dark magic tree being cast is still there somewhere. 5% health or something.

jluceyub17_ESO

Yes.

I think this just a player who's run into the reality that at this point in the game there are some players who he has a 0% chance of killing. Rather than suggesting nerfing other people's builds he should put that energy towards promoting a campaign tiering system so that elite players and newer players are segregated. Or into actually hitting level cap and getting better PvP gear.

Nestor

Yes.

jluceyub17_ESO wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Flaminir wrote: »

... with a certain skill fired directly before it

What Certain Skill is that? Surge or Inner Light or something else?

I'd guess Entropy for the Spell dmg boost and Mage's Guild passive to boost damage.

Thanks, I don't use many of the Mages Guild skills, other than Persuasion and Inner Light. I will try this tonight. My Sorcerer is quite deadly, I just want her to be more deadly. Don't worry, I am strictly PvE, I am allowed to be OP against machine generated mobs....

Leeric

Yes.

Well we can tell how you feel about it from your poll lol.

You should have specified for PVE or PVP...

And yes it does heal the caster from the passives in its skill line.

I could name multiple abilities with specifics like you did. Tell me what other class has an ability that can hit 4 times, knock you back and heal you. Oh, Templar must be op then!

lol this guy

pugyourself

Yes.

Generally this has a 2 second cast time unless you animation cancel. And it's got a 35% chance of instant proc. I've not seen 18k damage anywhere. Maybe a v14 with max cp/gear/jewelry/spell critics can do this but I've not seen it. It's the only hard hitting spell Sorcs have. Please don't advocate for another PVE nerf because you're getting killed in PvP. Invest in a shield.

Also, the wording of your poll choices is beyond biased. Despite that, you're still looking at 3-1 against you. Nice try though.

ArcanusMagus

No

Tonturri wrote: »

No, it should also heal the caster.

Doesn't it? I think the passive that heals upon an ability from the dark magic tree being cast is still there somewhere. 5% health or something.

I stand corrected! Thanks!

LameoveR

Yes.

bg22 wrote: »

(Please post your class below after you vote)

Sorcerer.

Ezareth

Posting in Nerf sorc thread 203,689.

crislevin

Yes.

if you claim crystal fragment hits 18k as proof its not balanced, you are out of reality. I don't believe 99.9999999999% instances it hits 18k.

Hypertionb14_ESO

Yes.

yes, you have to be 100% into damage to hit hard with it like Solar Flare or Inevetable Detonation.

in fact the base skill of this ability is below the Templar skill Solar Flare in raw damage, the morph is also weaker. only with a proc does it surpass it and only if the templar does not spam the solar flare gaining empower on each hit.

to buff Fragments proc with Empower using Mages guild skills is the only way to get both empower and the innate buff, and thats not as easy to do.

if you spec for a glass cannon, you can easily get kills as one but dont expect to live long in a direct confrontation, these builds might last for a bit, but vs a stable regen build will usually lose without suprise element.

even with it being effective in PvP, its barely worthwhile in PvE still. and could actually stand a buff on the other morph of the skill (blast)

Forestd16b14_ESO

No

Not being bias I am going off my own personal exp with crystal fragments and yes i have been hit with 10,000+ frags before and the only other skill that I personaly ever seen hit that high was radient destruction before they fixed most of it. Again this is my personal exp with it and yes I persoanly believe it is not balanced cause again I haven't seen any other skill hit that high and I wear full heavy armor with 24K+ spell res and 22K+ armor and I'm a DK and still get hit that high.

Again my personal exp with the skill and not saying or screaming anything.

SIN-X

Yes.

Well I can tell you 18k is not a cap the highest mine hit so far is 19676 and my gear is not completely finished, HOWEVER it is not often and maybe 1 out of 10 that it hits that hard my norm is 10-14 and things have to rng just right for the big hits so I don't think it is overpowered at all. TBH 2h players can hit higher and have more control over wrecking than a sorc over c frags.

skitzopath

Yes.

I play a dk, and I say make it hit harder... kills the bad sorcs faster.

golfer.dub17_ESO

No

Why can't wrecking blow get a 35% chance to hit instantly after I crit rush to my enemy?

Yeah, you're all fuming thinking about this happening, but you don't blink an eye at crystal frags.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

No

It's not balanced at all. It's oddly shaped. There is no way if you stood it on it's point would it stand up on it's own.

Leeric

Yes.

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

It's not balanced at all. It's oddly shaped. There is no way if you stood it on it's point would it stand up on it's own.

Best answer ever lol