Radiant Destruction in PvP blasted me out of ESO for a bit...

Xandryah

Hello

well, i admit that i tackled the fight slightly easy, because i wanted to observe/watch , but it seems that pvp fights last , even for a veteran 14 in purple and medium gear, only 3 seconds to maximum 7 seconds against critting skilled-pvp-hardcore-players. but it gave a feeling of complete refusal to the math-rules behind ESO when i saw the death-recap, with 17000 dmg. My toon has around 22000 hp: 17000 is around 90% of my whole hp... it's unacceptable..

(in other fights against NB, who surprised me i last 3 seconds and i don't have a chance for revenge...)

i uninstalled the game now; i don't think i will come back soon, because of this pvp-trauma and other Xp-levelling-trauma, the rest was nice...

math does not work either...the numbers.. and the skills-balance.. too much freedom, that's the weak point in sandbox-games. I have the feeling that sandbox-games are not under control or just the maximum-dps-part (output). The balance is not under control...and with total freedom you can't rely on an average, classic build, you need to test and look for that freaky built that's not matching with the role you chose in the end; you end up playing a a tiny, fragile looking Bosmer-Nightblade in heavyarmor with a double-handed-sword that is bigger than him/herself...or sth like that...an average, classic build has no chance at all against an optimized build by a skilled-hard-core-player (3 seconds-fight..)

I"m not sure if am going to come back, also because of larger gap in Champion points

Goodbye, Have fun


Xandryah[img]file:///C:/Users/X/Desktop/2015-03-30%2009_05_04-Photos.jpg[/img]

LtCrunch

Xandryah wrote: »

Xandryah[img]file:///C:/Users/X/Desktop/2015-03-30%2009_05_04-Photos.jpg[/img]

*Slow clap*

derpsticks

At first I died a lot to RD and I just hated it. The death recap isn't 100% accurate I don't think, considering that each tic will be accounted for. So even if it says 17k, it might have only done 12k to kill you but a final tic got added in full at 4-5k or whatever, even tho it only technically took the last 300 hp you had.

Aside from that I've gotten used to quickly identifying whoever is jesus beaming me, and using a quick venom arrow to their face to interrupt them.

Fizzlewizzle

Xandryah wrote: »

Hello

well, i admit that i tackled the fight slightly easy, because i wanted to observe/watch , but it seems that pvp fights last , even for a veteran 14 in purple and medium gear, only 3 seconds to maximum 7 seconds against critting skilled-pvp-hardcore-players. but it gave a feeling of complete refusal to the math-rules behind ESO when i saw the death-recap, with 17000 dmg. My toon has around 22000 hp: 17000 is around 90% of my whole hp... it's unacceptable..

(in other fights against NB, who surprised me i last 3 seconds and i don't have a chance for revenge...)

i uninstalled the game now; i don't think i will come back soon, because of this pvp-trauma and other Xp-levelling-trauma, the rest was nice...

math does not work either...the numbers.. and the skills-balance.. too much freedom, that's the weak point in sandbox-games. I have the feeling that sandbox-games are not under control or just the maximum-dps-part (output). The balance is not under control...and with total freedom you can't rely on an average, classic build, you need to test and look for that freaky built that's not matching with the role you chose in the end; you end up playing a a tiny, fragile looking Bosmer-Nightblade in heavyarmor with a double-handed-sword that is bigger than him/herself...or sth like that...an average, classic build has no chance at all against an optimized build by a skilled-hard-core-player (3 seconds-fight..)

I"m not sure if am going to come back, also because of larger gap in Champion points

Goodbye, Have fun


Xandryah[img]file:///C:/Users/X/Desktop/2015-03-30%2009_05_04-Photos.jpg[/img]

It might have been better if you stopped playing.
Someone who posts an internal link to a picture as "proof" might not be smart enough to process any information given to him/her.

Also... i think this is a Learn to play situation. I play with less HP than you have, and i have yet to come across a single person who can finish me off (solo). That is not because i'm so uber good or anything... most of my playtime i leech AP from kills other people make. Its because i know the tactics and tricks people use in those 3 second fights, and i'm build around countering all those tactics.

theweakminded

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

Xandryah wrote: »

Hello

well, i admit that i tackled the fight slightly easy, because i wanted to observe/watch , but it seems that pvp fights last , even for a veteran 14 in purple and medium gear, only 3 seconds to maximum 7 seconds against critting skilled-pvp-hardcore-players. but it gave a feeling of complete refusal to the math-rules behind ESO when i saw the death-recap, with 17000 dmg. My toon has around 22000 hp: 17000 is around 90% of my whole hp... it's unacceptable..

(in other fights against NB, who surprised me i last 3 seconds and i don't have a chance for revenge...)

i uninstalled the game now; i don't think i will come back soon, because of this pvp-trauma and other Xp-levelling-trauma, the rest was nice...

math does not work either...the numbers.. and the skills-balance.. too much freedom, that's the weak point in sandbox-games. I have the feeling that sandbox-games are not under control or just the maximum-dps-part (output). The balance is not under control...and with total freedom you can't rely on an average, classic build, you need to test and look for that freaky built that's not matching with the role you chose in the end; you end up playing a a tiny, fragile looking Bosmer-Nightblade in heavyarmor with a double-handed-sword that is bigger than him/herself...or sth like that...an average, classic build has no chance at all against an optimized build by a skilled-hard-core-player (3 seconds-fight..)

I"m not sure if am going to come back, also because of larger gap in Champion points

Goodbye, Have fun


Xandryah[img]file:///C:/Users/X/Desktop/2015-03-30%2009_05_04-Photos.jpg[/img]

It might have been better if you stopped playing.
Someone who posts an internal link to a picture as "proof" might not be smart enough to process any information given to him/her.

Also... i think this is a Learn to play situation. I play with less HP than you have, and i have yet to come across a single person who can finish me off (solo). That is not because i'm so uber good or anything... most of my playtime i leech AP from kills other people make. Its because i know the tactics and tricks people use in those 3 second fights, and i'm build around countering all those tactics.

In other words he is wither a Templar that likes jebus beam or a dk that doesn't have to care.

Skafsgaard

I understand OP and why you chose to leave. With the lag, the bugs and the morons in this community (see above posts) it's not hard to get why quitting is the best solution.

I dont agree specifically about jesus beam, but in generel that too many skills do too high damage, but only identifying jesus beams as culprit is wrong.

I hope you find a better and bugless game

Bashev

theweakminded wrote: »

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

Xandryah wrote: »

Hello

well, i admit that i tackled the fight slightly easy, because i wanted to observe/watch , but it seems that pvp fights last , even for a veteran 14 in purple and medium gear, only 3 seconds to maximum 7 seconds against critting skilled-pvp-hardcore-players. but it gave a feeling of complete refusal to the math-rules behind ESO when i saw the death-recap, with 17000 dmg. My toon has around 22000 hp: 17000 is around 90% of my whole hp... it's unacceptable..

(in other fights against NB, who surprised me i last 3 seconds and i don't have a chance for revenge...)

i uninstalled the game now; i don't think i will come back soon, because of this pvp-trauma and other Xp-levelling-trauma, the rest was nice...

math does not work either...the numbers.. and the skills-balance.. too much freedom, that's the weak point in sandbox-games. I have the feeling that sandbox-games are not under control or just the maximum-dps-part (output). The balance is not under control...and with total freedom you can't rely on an average, classic build, you need to test and look for that freaky built that's not matching with the role you chose in the end; you end up playing a a tiny, fragile looking Bosmer-Nightblade in heavyarmor with a double-handed-sword that is bigger than him/herself...or sth like that...an average, classic build has no chance at all against an optimized build by a skilled-hard-core-player (3 seconds-fight..)

I"m not sure if am going to come back, also because of larger gap in Champion points

Goodbye, Have fun


Xandryah[img]file:///C:/Users/X/Desktop/2015-03-30%2009_05_04-Photos.jpg[/img]

It might have been better if you stopped playing.
Someone who posts an internal link to a picture as "proof" might not be smart enough to process any information given to him/her.

Also... i think this is a Learn to play situation. I play with less HP than you have, and i have yet to come across a single person who can finish me off (solo). That is not because i'm so uber good or anything... most of my playtime i leech AP from kills other people make. Its because i know the tactics and tricks people use in those 3 second fights, and i'm build around countering all those tactics.

In other words he is wither a Templar that likes jebus beam or a dk that doesn't have to care.

Actually templars and DKs suffer most from Jesus beam cause a sors can cast a shield and bolt escape and NB can cast cloak and nullify the Jesus beam.

asteldian

I can understand the frustration, but it also sounds like OP needs to just get better. I am somewhat of a PvP noob and even I last over 10s against 5 or more players, certainly one on one or two the fights last sometime if I cannot dispatch them fast enough.
Lasting 3 to 7s sounds like no blocking, dodging or any defensive action is being taken. I don't even die that fast when ganked

Fizzlewizzle

theweakminded wrote: »

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

Xandryah wrote: »

Hello

well, i admit that i tackled the fight slightly easy, because i wanted to observe/watch , but it seems that pvp fights last , even for a veteran 14 in purple and medium gear, only 3 seconds to maximum 7 seconds against critting skilled-pvp-hardcore-players. but it gave a feeling of complete refusal to the math-rules behind ESO when i saw the death-recap, with 17000 dmg. My toon has around 22000 hp: 17000 is around 90% of my whole hp... it's unacceptable..

(in other fights against NB, who surprised me i last 3 seconds and i don't have a chance for revenge...)

i uninstalled the game now; i don't think i will come back soon, because of this pvp-trauma and other Xp-levelling-trauma, the rest was nice...

math does not work either...the numbers.. and the skills-balance.. too much freedom, that's the weak point in sandbox-games. I have the feeling that sandbox-games are not under control or just the maximum-dps-part (output). The balance is not under control...and with total freedom you can't rely on an average, classic build, you need to test and look for that freaky built that's not matching with the role you chose in the end; you end up playing a a tiny, fragile looking Bosmer-Nightblade in heavyarmor with a double-handed-sword that is bigger than him/herself...or sth like that...an average, classic build has no chance at all against an optimized build by a skilled-hard-core-player (3 seconds-fight..)

I"m not sure if am going to come back, also because of larger gap in Champion points

Goodbye, Have fun


Xandryah[img]file:///C:/Users/X/Desktop/2015-03-30%2009_05_04-Photos.jpg[/img]

It might have been better if you stopped playing.
Someone who posts an internal link to a picture as "proof" might not be smart enough to process any information given to him/her.

Also... i think this is a Learn to play situation. I play with less HP than you have, and i have yet to come across a single person who can finish me off (solo). That is not because i'm so uber good or anything... most of my playtime i leech AP from kills other people make. Its because i know the tactics and tricks people use in those 3 second fights, and i'm build around countering all those tactics.

In other words he is wither a Templar that likes jebus beam or a dk that doesn't have to care.

I'm a Templar that doesn't like Jesus beam. (i liked Flashing Light way more. You don't have much use for Jesus beam as a healer).

Radiant Magelight: Don't get stunned by Sneak attacks. Sneak attacks deal 50% less damage.
- No more getting uber-hitted by Snipe or any other sneak attack people like to open with.
- No more being able to do nothing for 2 seconds after some gets the jump on you.

Defensive Stance: Reflect magic attacks back to the user and stuns them.
- If people open with magick they will regret it, as they get their sneak damage back.

Try these two skills. They work wonders. Everyone dies when they get ganked and have to wait for 2-3 seconds before they can actually fight back. These two skills prevent that.

The rest for me are just survival skills to stay alive longer. I have no offence. I give my enemy the choice. Or waste everyones time and achieve nothing, or turn your back to me and walk away. I won't follow.
(I had a shuffle once with a Sorcerer. Took about 10 minutes before he got the message.)

SC0TY999

Are you having problems with Templars and the annoying Jesus beam?

Use crushing shock now and bring those pesky Templars falling to their knees!

Leon119

My guess is u didnt have any spell resist so you just ate it and died. Frankly going squishy and then reacting like this when you die means you dont know how to play

Knootewoot

Bashev wrote: »

Actually templars and DKs suffer most from Jesus beam cause a sors can cast a shield and bolt escape and NB can cast cloak and nullify the Jesus beam.

Cloak does not nullify the jesus beam. If you use cloak while jesus beamed cloak breaks immidiatly.

olsborg

While I do sympathize with the OP, it does look like this is largely a l2p issue, However, the "because of larger gap in Champion points" that he mentioned is a valid argument and I do agree.

Samadhi

Knootewoot wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Actually templars and DKs suffer most from Jesus beam cause a sors can cast a shield and bolt escape and NB can cast cloak and nullify the Jesus beam.

Cloak does not nullify the jesus beam. If you use cloak while jesus beamed cloak breaks immidiatly.

Well, at least Nightblade can cast a Class shield and use a powerful Class healing skill to counter...oh wait...

sigsergv

Recently I tried PvP. I was killed almost intantly, I still don't understand what exactly happened. It looked like a moving line of enemy players destroying everyone instantly by some AOE. It was frustrating but I did not rage quit. Just don't understand how to play in Cyrodiil.

Fizzlewizzle

Samadhi wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Actually templars and DKs suffer most from Jesus beam cause a sors can cast a shield and bolt escape and NB can cast cloak and nullify the Jesus beam.

Cloak does not nullify the jesus beam. If you use cloak while jesus beamed cloak breaks immidiatly.

Well, at least Nightblade can cast a Class shield and use a powerful Class healing skill to counter...oh wait...

At least Templars have working Gap closers, Instant executes, Not having half their skills broken/ bugged, Passives that synergise with other builds and High magick dps... ow wait.

I can also play the immature game, but lets both act our age and not go that route.
As we can't see OP's Death recap (@OP go to Tinypic.com and upload it from there. Pretty easy site to use.) we can't make any conclusions. Was it really only the Templar + Jesus beam? Did more happen? Was jesus beam only used as finisher (which could explain the high damage) and did other skills/ people gank him close to death?

Until OP uploads the screenshot we can speculate and throw blame/ accusations... but its all without anything to back it up.
He really doesn't even say which class he played, which race, if he was a vampire/ werewolf (those get destroyed in seconds) or his general set-up. The only thing we know is that he was in Purple med armor... But what is actual defense was and such wasn't mentioned.

sigsergv wrote: »

Recently I tried PvP. I was killed almost intantly, I still don't understand what exactly happened. It looked like a moving line of enemy players destroying everyone instantly by some AOE. It was frustrating but I did not rage quit. Just don't understand how to play in Cyrodiil.

Thats the basic ***-train. If you get caught in that there is no surviving. No matter your level, set-up or playstyle.
(Thats often around 20-25 people spamming a 2-4K AOE. So about 40-100K damage per second)

LameoveR

Stop this class holywar.

Bashev

Knootewoot wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Actually templars and DKs suffer most from Jesus beam cause a sors can cast a shield and bolt escape and NB can cast cloak and nullify the Jesus beam.

Cloak does not nullify the jesus beam. If you use cloak while jesus beamed cloak breaks immidiatly.

"Shadow Cloak: Fixed an issue where this ability wasn’t removing channeled damage abilities, such as Radiant Destruction."
I got this from patch notes 2.0.1. I don't play NB so I am not sure whether it works or no. But at least it is supposed to work as I described it.

Samadhi

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Actually templars and DKs suffer most from Jesus beam cause a sors can cast a shield and bolt escape and NB can cast cloak and nullify the Jesus beam.

Cloak does not nullify the jesus beam. If you use cloak while jesus beamed cloak breaks immidiatly.

Well, at least Nightblade can cast a Class shield and use a powerful Class healing skill to counter...oh wait...

At least Templars have working Gap closers, Instant executes, Not having half their skills broken/ bugged, Passives that synergise with other builds and High magick dps... ow wait.
...

My Templar, Nightblade, One Hand and Shield, and Two Handed gap closers all suffer issues -- If you are using any of them without bugs or issues truly envy you.

Am glad my Templar's execute instantly begins doing the correct damage when the target hits execute range; it is quite frustrating when my Nightblade has a target with the glowing signal on them only to find that the skill does not do execute damage anyway due to bug requiring recasting.

All classes have buggy skills in my experience, but that mostly has to do with ZOS' programming rather than the actual class designs -- can agree that it's been very frustrating to be reporting Class bugs over and over since Beta and still having issues present though.

Have no strong objections to either class' passives; however, Nightblade got my favourite passive gutted, so now the only one I still really like is the crit damage increase (but Templar gets the same increase, as well as damage against blocking opponents).

As for Magicka damage builds, personally prefer using a Destruction staff on my Templar due to the flexibility afforded from having Blazing Shield and Breath of Life in my class skills; my Nightblade ends up relying on dual Restoration staff setup in PvP, so my damage output is not quite as nice, but that is excusable to me.
My Sorcerer has more frustrating issues in this regard than either my Templar or Nightblade though.

My Nightblade deals with Radiant using Healing Ward from the Restoration Staff line, since Cloak is still having issues after the fix.
My Templar gets out of execute range with Blazing Shield + Breath of LIfe.
Wish that Nightblade had a way out of executable HP range by using Class skills, but personally play around that limitation by using Restoration staff.

Fizzlewizzle wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Actually templars and DKs suffer most from Jesus beam cause a sors can cast a shield and bolt escape and NB can cast cloak and nullify the Jesus beam.

Cloak does not nullify the jesus beam. If you use cloak while jesus beamed cloak breaks immidiatly.

Well, at least Nightblade can cast a Class shield and use a powerful Class healing skill to counter...oh wait...

...
I can also play the immature game, ...
Until OP uploads the screenshot we can speculate and throw blame/ accusations... ...

You are free to speculate and throw blame/accusations if you so choose, but am not personally going to join you in it.

ElSlayer

Allright, I don't get it, please, explain me - why does everyone use NON-MORPHED Radiant Destruction?

TheMachineKiller

asteldian wrote: »

I can understand the frustration, but it also sounds like OP needs to just get better. I am somewhat of a PvP noob and even I last over 10s against 5 or more players, certainly one on one or two the fights last sometime if I cannot dispatch them fast enough.
Lasting 3 to 7s sounds like no blocking, dodging or any defensive action is being taken. I don't even die that fast when ganked

this

Dudis

Knootewoot wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Actually templars and DKs suffer most from Jesus beam cause a sors can cast a shield and bolt escape and NB can cast cloak and nullify the Jesus beam.

Cloak does not nullify the jesus beam. If you use cloak while jesus beamed cloak breaks immidiatly.

Nope. This clip shows me cloaking from both jesus beam and meteor.
Might have to use the remove DoTs morph but you probably should anyways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y12hYmmRVdU

Nivzruo_ESO

So ur rage quiting over a templar move that has alot of counters? Good thing u didn't run into any sorcs or u might of just killed urself.

Fizzlewizzle

ElSlayer wrote: »

Allright, I don't get it, please, explain me - why does everyone use NON-MORPHED Radiant Destruction?

No one uses it (or not by choice).

The damage done by the base skill is named
I use Radiant Glory myself, and if i check my damage meters my damage is named "Radiant Destruction", while the healing i get is named "Radiant Glory".

The base skill (with Radiant Glory) stays the same, its just that you get a second effect with it.

Idk how it works with Radiant Oppression, but according to the Death Logs i have seen i can make a few guesses.
1 - Radiant Destruction did get some sort of damage boost, no second entry.
2 - Radiant Destruction gets a separate effect (like Radiant Glory gets), but this one is added to the First entry (Radiant Destruction) on the death logs.
3 - You get 2 separate entries (Radiant Destruction and Radiant Oppression) both calculating full damage (100% for Radiant Destruction and up to 140% for Radiant Oppression), after which both numbers are stacked ontop of eachother and displayed as "Radiant Destruction".

Idk which one it is, but i will test it later.

Samadhi

Dudis wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Actually templars and DKs suffer most from Jesus beam cause a sors can cast a shield and bolt escape and NB can cast cloak and nullify the Jesus beam.

Cloak does not nullify the jesus beam. If you use cloak while jesus beamed cloak breaks immidiatly.

Nope. This clip shows me cloaking from both jesus beam and meteor.
Might have to use the remove DoTs morph but you probably should anyways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y12hYmmRVdU

Thanks for the video, may have to go back to the DoT morph.
Always find myself respeccing to Shadowy Disguise morph instead due to enjoying the guaranteed crits/crit heals.

danno8

ElSlayer wrote: »

Allright, I don't get it, please, explain me - why does everyone use NON-MORPHED Radiant Destruction?

They don't. It just shows up that way in the recap.

To the op, PvP really requires a build that has a lot of defensive options. We can't see what your build is like, but if you are coming in to PvP with a PvE build (usually lacking in defensive options/healing/cc) then you are going to get wrecked again and again.

I would suggest looking up PvP builds for medium armour for your class. Watch some videos and see how others do it.

danno8

Knootewoot wrote: »

Bashev wrote: »

Actually templars and DKs suffer most from Jesus beam cause a sors can cast a shield and bolt escape and NB can cast cloak and nullify the Jesus beam.

Cloak does not nullify the jesus beam. If you use cloak while jesus beamed cloak breaks immidiatly.

This is incorrect. People can now cloak and break RD. I've seen it a hundred times since the last patch.

In fact, Jesus Beam seems well in line now. The execute range has been fixed, Sorcerers have learned to Shield up and Bolt Escape away, Templars shield and heal, DK's just seems to absorb it, and NB can vanish and it breaks the beam. All those with a bow have learned to Venom Arrow it, all those with a De-staff have learned to Crushing Shock it, still others just charge you. Now it is only a serious threat if you are at <30% health and out of options like it should be.

I can tell you from my own experience that it gets countered all the time, and it also points me out to every other player of the opposition usually making me a target.

Fizzlewizzle

Did the test:
3 casts with Radiant Glory:


Also 3 casts, but with Radiant Oppression.


Radiant Glory shows (for the user) that is is Glory. Radiant Oppression shows nothing, not even to the user. you have to check your actual skill for that.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

Xandryah wrote: »

Hello

well, i admit that i tackled the fight slightly easy, because i wanted to observe/watch , but it seems that pvp fights last , even for a veteran 14 in purple and medium gear, only 3 seconds to maximum 7 seconds against critting skilled-pvp-hardcore-players. but it gave a feeling of complete refusal to the math-rules behind ESO when i saw the death-recap, with 17000 dmg. My toon has around 22000 hp: 17000 is around 90% of my whole hp... it's unacceptable..

(in other fights against NB, who surprised me i last 3 seconds and i don't have a chance for revenge...)

i uninstalled the game now; i don't think i will come back soon, because of this pvp-trauma and other Xp-levelling-trauma, the rest was nice...

math does not work either...the numbers.. and the skills-balance.. too much freedom, that's the weak point in sandbox-games. I have the feeling that sandbox-games are not under control or just the maximum-dps-part (output). The balance is not under control...and with total freedom you can't rely on an average, classic build, you need to test and look for that freaky built that's not matching with the role you chose in the end; you end up playing a a tiny, fragile looking Bosmer-Nightblade in heavyarmor with a double-handed-sword that is bigger than him/herself...or sth like that...an average, classic build has no chance at all against an optimized build by a skilled-hard-core-player (3 seconds-fight..)

I"m not sure if am going to come back, also because of larger gap in Champion points

Goodbye, Have fun


Xandryah[img]file:///C:/Users/X/Desktop/2015-03-30%2009_05_04-Photos.jpg[/img]

Good riddance and good bye. And
PS max health is somewhat irrelevant, good players heal and use shields or stack dodge so you actually have to do 2-5x their max health.
Pps don't reinstall, we don't want no uninstalling qq thread players coming back.