ZOS, please change the system to obtain the Monster-sets.Thx.

Tethys

Hey. PvP'er talking here.

I am pretty frustrated. I spent hours and hours during the last months doing daily pledges for the golden keys. WHICH I FREAKIN HATE DOING! I HATE PVE! SO MUCH! I .... CAN'T.... EVEN...DESCRIBE! And the RNG-god appears to hate me as much as i hate on PvE. So i got 6 shoulders of 1 set. And 5 of another. Both of which are totally useless to me.

At the state this game is currently in you need certain sets to be competitive in PvP. Unfortunately, Monstersets are part of that. I am getting more frustrated every day because of the drop-algorythm of the golden Undaunted chests, or the inability to obtain the shoulders in another way.
Before the haters gonna hate: I know, it is about luck. But in this case you can't force luck by grind. And you can be unlucky as well. Meaning: if you have done a hundred golden pledges with one char, the chances are about 33% that you just didn't get it by that amount of runs. That's a freakin hundret days we are talking about. Yea, true math genius behind this keyboard.

And no, i don't want to discuss the significance of the set's impact on fights here. Neither the quality of PvE and dungeons, which is good, just nothing for me. So ZOS, can you please re-write that algorythm of yours (maybe to something dependant of previous drops?) or give us the chance to get the shoulders in any other way than spending one hour a day of mindless PvE'ing just to find yourself without anything useful after another full year of ESO?

Thanks for reading through this mess, have a nice day everyone. /ragequit.

Panda244

@Tethys edit the OP to make more sense, I see caps and rage, and parenthesis... It hurts man... It hurts my brain.

My solution to this pile of nonsense is as follows.


Complete Gold Pledge - Get A Point (Bound to Account)

Ten Points - Enough For One Shoulder

Fifteen Points - Enough For One Helmet

Find Vendor - Spend Points On What YOU Want.


Problem solved. I'll take that cookie now

Tethys

Adjusted some stuff you were right about, but couldn't get rid off all the rage and therefore caps.

Your system is a good idea, but i think it has been suggested a couple of times already and since it is wirking fine in so many other games ZOS just can't use that. They have to come up with something of their own.

ThatNeonZebraAgain

Panda244 wrote: »

@Tethys edit the OP to make more sense, I see caps and rage, and parenthesis... It hurts man... It hurts my brain.

My solution to this pile of nonsense is as follows.


Complete Gold Pledge - Get A Point (Bound to Account)

Ten Points - Enough For One Shoulder

Fifteen Points - Enough For One Helmet

Find Vendor - Spend Points On What YOU Want.


Problem solved. I'll take that cookie now

Rather than bland points that don't have any context or connection to the game world, how about the bosses drop rare/special "ingredients" that you can take to an NPC at the Earth Forge, where they can custom make you the piece you want. This way, you have to complete the FG quest line, and the items still reflect the bosses you had to kill, and you still would have to run the dungeon multiple times to get the ingredients you needed for helm or shoulders. Sure, under the hood it's essentially the same, but it's just tied into the game world in a much better way.

Folkb

I've always enjoyed a token system rather than RNG, RNG is so early 2000's.

ThatNeonZebraAgain

Folkb wrote: »

I've always enjoyed a token system rather than RNG, RNG is so early 2000's.

RNG is a cornerstone of RPGs, and just because a system is new doesn't mean it is better, just different. RNG can be just as necessary as other systems, regardless of when they were popularized/implemented.

Attorneyatlawl

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Folkb wrote: »

I've always enjoyed a token system rather than RNG, RNG is so early 2000's.

RNG is a cornerstone of RPGs, and just because a system is new doesn't mean it is better, just different. RNG can be just as necessary as other systems, regardless of when they were popularized/implemented.

100% agreed. If you want to get more chances, ESO is very lax in its loot system by allowing you to simply transfer items between characters with the bank, anyway. Run the pledges on more than just your main toon if you want to increase the odds of getting what you want more quickly.

Xjcon

It's not that bad, it takes less time to finish a vet pledge then it does to run your mount back to some battles. They buffed the shoulder drop already have fun.

HungryHobo

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Folkb wrote: »

I've always enjoyed a token system rather than RNG, RNG is so early 2000's.

RNG is a cornerstone of RPGs, and just because a system is new doesn't mean it is better, just different. RNG can be just as necessary as other systems, regardless of when they were popularized/implemented.

I prefer a mix of the RNG and a "token system". That is because I have a finish line, a hard set Goal to reach. There is not a continuous dangling of the carrot in front of my nose. I can Know when I get something, and if I get it along the way... Yay, RNG is less evil in that situation!

DeLindsay

Tethys wrote: »

Hey. PvP'er talking here.

I am pretty frustrated. I spent hours and hours during the last months doing daily pledges for the golden keys. WHICH I FREAKIN HATE DOING! I HATE PVE! SO MUCH! I .... CAN'T.... EVEN...DESCRIBE!

Welcome to the complaint PvE'ers have about the stupidity of ZoS putting abilities behind Rank 10 Assault which for the average Player would take A YEAR OR MORE, PER Character.

Evarwyn

Sounds to me like the real issue here is this guy has to play PvE, which he hates, to feel competitive in PvP.

Emma_Overload

#1) BoE will solve all these problems. Grind for gold, buy what you need, sell what you don't.

#2) If BoE is out of the question, then make these veteran dungeons solo-able and repeatable without any daily limit.

Either way, players like the OP will at least have a reasonable path to accomplish their goals.

Shadesofkin

Panda244 wrote: »

@Tethys edit the OP to make more sense, I see caps and rage, and parenthesis... It hurts man... It hurts my brain.

My solution to this pile of nonsense is as follows.


Complete Gold Pledge - Get A Point (Bound to Account)

Ten Points - Enough For One Shoulder

Fifteen Points - Enough For One Helmet

Find Vendor - Spend Points On What YOU Want.


Problem solved. I'll take that cookie now

I constantly wonder why the Undaunted don't give out a rep currency for doing pledges instead of those keys.

Rune_Relic

Replace RNG with accumulator.

15% chance.
15+15+15+15+15+15 = 90%
90+15 = drop @ 7th attempt + 5% carry

At the end of the day the RNG is there to simulate chance.
Chance is a given %.
But that % is supposed to be accurate.
So why bother with RNG ?

Thymos

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Rather than bland points that don't have any context or connection to the game world, how about the bosses drop rare/special "ingredients" that you can take to an NPC at the Earth Forge, where they can custom make you the piece you want. This way, you have to complete the FG quest line, and the items still reflect the bosses you had to kill, and you still would have to run the dungeon multiple times to get the ingredients you needed for helm or shoulders. Sure, under the hood it's essentially the same, but it's just tied into the game world in a much better way.

Undaunted is a whole separate guild, though. How about just create a unique Undaunted Forgemaster that is by the Enclave.

Psychobunni

+1 For any system other than RNG. It is exactly why I avoid pledges.

Ezareth

Tethys wrote: »

Hey. PvP'er talking here.

I am pretty frustrated. I spent hours and hours during the last months doing daily pledges for the golden keys. WHICH I FREAKIN HATE DOING! I HATE PVE! SO MUCH! I .... CAN'T.... EVEN...DESCRIBE! And the RNG-god appears to hate me as much as i hate on PvE. So i got 6 shoulders of 1 set. And 5 of another. Both of which are totally useless to me.

At the state this game is currently in you need certain sets to be competitive in PvP. Unfortunately, Monstersets are part of that. I am getting more frustrated every day because of the drop-algorythm of the golden Undaunted chests, or the inability to obtain the shoulders in another way.
Before the haters gonna hate: I know, it is about luck. But in this case you can't force luck by grind. And you can be unlucky as well. Meaning: if you have done a hundred golden pledges with one char, the chances are about 33% that you just didn't get it by that amount of runs. That's a freakin hundret days we are talking about. Yea, true math genius behind this keyboard.

And no, i don't want to discuss the significance of the set's impact on fights here. Neither the quality of PvE and dungeons, which is good, just nothing for me. So ZOS, can you please re-write that algorythm of yours (maybe to something dependant of previous drops?) or give us the chance to get the shoulders in any other way than spending one hour a day of mindless PvE'ing just to find yourself without anything useful after another full year of ESO?

Thanks for reading through this mess, have a nice day everyone. /ragequit.

Monster sets are not required to be "competitive" in PvP. I'm more than competitive and don't find the people using these sets to be all that powerful either. IMO they're weaker than people think because they limit a lot of your set options by taking 2 armor slots. I hate PvE too and only do the Dailies for the passive armor bonuses.

infraction2008b16_ESO

There really needs to be an endgame PvE currency IMO, something that rewards you by time spent doing stuff rather than just by chance.

henryabelarwb17_ESO

Join the club!!! If they want to keep RNG the least they could do is not have a duplicate drop, so they go on a rotation basis, so one day you might actually drop it... ESO is the Devil's Game... it knows what you want and it wont give it to you so you keep playing...

Obscure

RNGezus smiled upon me for my shoulder piece.

...seems like now he sarcastically smiles at me as he now gives me the head pieces for sets in every dungeon but the one that matters to me...

Zhoyzu

It would be nice if PvPers could get them as end campaign rewards.

PvE-ers got to have master equipment because they didnt like pvp. no need for double standards.

jelliedsoup

This game has encouraged the red zerg.

The best gear and results is achieved by a marauding herd.

daemonios

Tethys wrote: »

Hey. PvP'er talking here.

I am pretty frustrated. I spent hours and hours during the last months doing daily pledges for the golden keys. WHICH I FREAKIN HATE DOING! I HATE PVE! SO MUCH! I .... CAN'T.... EVEN...DESCRIBE! And the RNG-god appears to hate me as much as i hate on PvE. So i got 6 shoulders of 1 set. And 5 of another. Both of which are totally useless to me.

At the state this game is currently in you need certain sets to be competitive in PvP. Unfortunately, Monstersets are part of that. I am getting more frustrated every day because of the drop-algorythm of the golden Undaunted chests, or the inability to obtain the shoulders in another way.
Before the haters gonna hate: I know, it is about luck. But in this case you can't force luck by grind. And you can be unlucky as well. Meaning: if you have done a hundred golden pledges with one char, the chances are about 33% that you just didn't get it by that amount of runs. That's a freakin hundret days we are talking about. Yea, true math genius behind this keyboard.

And no, i don't want to discuss the significance of the set's impact on fights here. Neither the quality of PvE and dungeons, which is good, just nothing for me. So ZOS, can you please re-write that algorythm of yours (maybe to something dependant of previous drops?) or give us the chance to get the shoulders in any other way than spending one hour a day of mindless PvE'ing just to find yourself without anything useful after another full year of ESO?

Thanks for reading through this mess, have a nice day everyone. /ragequit.

Really? What about the PvP-only gear that costs 248.000 AP per piece? Many builds require or benefit greatly from PvP Elite gear, and I've had to farm quite a few AP to get them. In my case, I don't mind PvPing. But someone with a loathing of PvP similar to your loathing of PvE would be in the same spot.

Hypertionb14_ESO

how about combing RNG and a Token system...

Instead of potentially getting a monster item.. you potentially get a token you can spend on a monster item of choice and then the traits and armor of the item of choice is randomzied.

so you might get a token from the chest,

then you talk to Vender..

you choose say COA Coffer and get a random traited and armor typed Skoria Shoulder piece

WolfingHour

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Folkb wrote: »

I've always enjoyed a token system rather than RNG, RNG is so early 2000's.

RNG is a cornerstone of RPGs, and just because a system is new doesn't mean it is better, just different. RNG can be just as necessary as other systems, regardless of when they were popularized/implemented.

A triple nested RNG system though? That's just cruel. And a lazy, artificial way to extend game time.

AssaultLemming

I think the system is fine. If it wasn't for the rarity of the items I wouldn't have any reason to run dungeons at all.

ThatNeonZebraAgain

Thymos wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Rather than bland points that don't have any context or connection to the game world, how about the bosses drop rare/special "ingredients" that you can take to an NPC at the Earth Forge, where they can custom make you the piece you want. This way, you have to complete the FG quest line, and the items still reflect the bosses you had to kill, and you still would have to run the dungeon multiple times to get the ingredients you needed for helm or shoulders. Sure, under the hood it's essentially the same, but it's just tied into the game world in a much better way.

Undaunted is a whole separate guild, though. How about just create a unique Undaunted Forgemaster that is by the Enclave.

Doh! You're right, I always get them confused. What you suggested would be the case then.

WolfingHour wrote: »

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Folkb wrote: »

I've always enjoyed a token system rather than RNG, RNG is so early 2000's.

RNG is a cornerstone of RPGs, and just because a system is new doesn't mean it is better, just different. RNG can be just as necessary as other systems, regardless of when they were popularized/implemented.

A triple nested RNG system though? That's just cruel. And a lazy, artificial way to extend game time.

Agreed, which is why I suggested bosses dropping "ingredient(s)" that remove 2 of the RNG nests. Once you get the necessary ingredient(s) for, say, medium Malubeth helm with reinforced trait, you can then go to an Undaunted Forgemaster and have her/him craft you what you desire.

Snit

I don't accept the premise that, "You need the monster sets to be competitive in PvP." Some builds make excellent use of the, but there are alternatives.

You may, however, need the Undaunted Passives to be considered top-end. Happily, those are not RNG. They just take quite a lot of time in dungeons, a pretty enormous investment for those who like to stay in PvP. I suppose pure PvE players may look at some of the Assault/ Support skills the same way, however.

I think the core game design heavily encourages people to play both PvP and PvE, if they want all the best abilities and gear.

MissBizz

Panda244 wrote: »

@Tethys edit the OP to make more sense, I see caps and rage, and parenthesis... It hurts man... It hurts my brain.

My solution to this pile of nonsense is as follows.


Complete Gold Pledge - Get A Point (Bound to Account)

Ten Points - Enough For One Shoulder

Fifteen Points - Enough For One Helmet

Find Vendor - Spend Points On What YOU Want.


Problem solved. I'll take that cookie now

..but then I only have a reason to run dungeons 25 times. That's only a month. I personally enjoy them and would likely continue running them even if this is the case.. but I really like the fact the "chance" of something awesome dropping entices me to run dungeons. I like all the blood, sweat and tears needed to get the perfect set.

PS - I have 2 toons that each need a different set of these. Still have found the perfect one and am okay with that.

omfgitsbatman

These pledges are not the only place that RNG bites the big one. I have run about 100+ AA and a similar number of HRC and have yet to fill out my healing mage set while getting at least 3 of every other set piece in the loot table.
Similarly, I have run 75+ VDSA and have yet to see a V14 master resto staff drop (for me at least) of any trait. I have deconstructed 4 master I've staves, 2 master fires, 1 master lightning, 3 master greatswords, 2 master bows, 2 master swords, I still have 2 of each... At this point, every time I loot that chest at the end, I get closer and closer to throwing my computer our of the window. VDSA is very time consuming and I really feel as if I definitely have earned that flipping staff.
I would love a token system so people like me who obviously have the RNGod's displeasure can get what they want eventually.

I know when I finally get that staff, it's going to be charged.
Thanks Obama