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✭Saving Champion points distribution could be a good idea.
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RainfeatherUK wrote: »Most people I come across love being able to specialize in a role more completely, because..well thats the role they want to play in groups.
When I play my DK, its cliche sure, but I play her to tank - so shes built that way. I dont want to suck at being a tank, because I dont want to let others in the group down. So shes got sustain, shes got armor but I dont expect her DPS to be on a par with others in the slightest.
If I could do that, I'd be so absurdly overpowered that everyone would play my build.
Limiting what people can and cant do in one moment has actually increased diversity for the first time in ages. Its a good step forward.
From what you say, anyone would think that you cant level up alternate weapons and plan seperate builds for your character and adopt those roles. Thats simply untrue, as I take my classes from one role to another fairly often.
It takes work, sure enough. Sort of the point in having a character and work that means anything at all dont you think?
Perhaps you didnt get what I said... its the facilty to switch builds on the same character without the need to respec... I have over 280 skill points with skills having both morphs levelled... I want the facility to be able to switch role as needed... as I said before the CP system one could just put all points hp and then switch gear... this is not viable anymore...
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Morshire✭✭✭✭henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »With the current system one cannot be a tank one run and dps or healer the other,
Nope I did read right. I can do exactly what the OP is saying without much effort. Doing just what I said. I can do this in the middle of the dungeon. When there is a break in action, or after the wipe, done and off we go. So I go back to what I said before when I was trying to be helpful.Edited by Morshire on March 20, 2015 4:04PMFollow me if I advance, Kill me if I retreat, Avenge me if I die.
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RainfeatherUK✭✭✭✭@Morshire Its ok lol, the OP's style isnt the easiest to interpret.
As you say the general idea that you can readily change your character is true - I just got the impression (maybe as you did) that it was some sort of moan thread about the systems in place now that the champion system is established.
One thing I like about an inability to multi-spec, is that it restricts casual flip flopping between roles. Generally on this point id say - freedom is good and we mostly have it! But in games where switching is a triviality at best, late game that can result in people that are jacks of all and masters of none.
Which in turn makes recruiting for serious progression a bind - in the case of inept tanks or healers.
From the beginning I've rambled for meaningful choice. Be that racial, class or anything. So anything which makes this game more like gw2, and diminshes its complexity or value is always a no from me.
I can certainly see the benefit of a system for rapidly switching back and forth in the veteran stages - when your knowledge of the game and everything else is adequate.
I just feel I suppose, that a system when introduced tends to diminish the over all skill of people in their primary roles if there is no real investment and they flip backward and forward all over the place.
In any event its a personal gripe. One that doesnt see me far from what @Shunravi said towards the end of his/her post.
If anything I'd like to see more values added to diversity and choice, and that will only grow with progression. You've nailed it essentially. The current systems are adequate. Right now, I'd rather they focused on bringing us more things to do (zones) and fixed the lag!Edited by RainfeatherUK on March 20, 2015 4:06PM -
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✭✭RainfeatherUK wrote: »Most people I come across love being able to specialize in a role more completely, because..well thats the role they want to play in groups.
When I play my DK, its cliche sure, but I play her to tank - so shes built that way. I dont want to suck at being a tank, because I dont want to let others in the group down. So shes got sustain, shes got armor but I dont expect her DPS to be on a par with others in the slightest.
If I could do that, I'd be so absurdly overpowered that everyone would play my build.
Limiting what people can and cant do in one moment has actually increased diversity for the first time in ages. Its a good step forward.
From what you say, anyone would thing that you cant level up alternate weapons and plan seperate builds for your character and adopt those roles. Thats simply untrue, as I take my classes from one role to another fairly often.
It takes work, sure enough. Sort of the point in having a character and work that means anything at all dont you think?
So not sure here? I fully agree that you cannot expect to be great at everything. I was under the impression that the OP was having an issue respecting to just fill the role. I am by far not the best at any role I play, but I can, even in the middle of a dungeon, change skills to be able to do those things. I agree with you Rainfeather, being the best at something does require devoting resources and skill. And I doubt anyone would claim to be the best at all 3 on a character. So maybe I am misunderstanding what is being discussed. What I said above is merely that the game allows diversity in playstyle quite easily, without needing to respec. But I can fill all the roles, but I only do well as a healer. The only way I would be able to be a very good tank would be if I abandoned the build I have and devote myself to tanking.
But for the record, I was full tank till VR5, then I changed to all healing for the rest. I didn't respec, to achieve this. I got new armor, changed the glyphs, etc. Play as you want isn't being the best at everything. It, IMO, means that you should be able to do anything. What I wrote above does that.
(And Rainfeather, not trying to fight with you. Your point is valid, and I will be happy to discuss it. Just not trying to fight today with anyone. Please don't take my words as confrontational.)
Same. That's what my whole argument is based around. OP, I'm not trying to disrespect you or put you down. From what I've read of you argument, it would seem that you are respecing merely to be able to fill the role. I'm sorry if I'm misunderstanding. @Morshire is doing a far better job than I am at being constructive and put out some solid advice. All I'm saying is that you don't need to have everything be the best in order to fill a role.
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Rair.Kitani✭✭✭I have a Khajiit Nightblade and I dps/tank, I'm doing ok with both. You can play any role with every class/race somehow, but if you want to be really good in one role you'll be very limited.
I think that with the removal of softcaps the racials became incredibly strong and i got a real downside together with other races which don't have a percentage increase of a ressource pool.
Argonians are even a bit more screwed than Khajiit. They owe you something lizard friends!Edited by Rair.Kitani on March 20, 2015 4:33PM -
Apart from respecing to be tank, the main problem is pvp, i used to play stamina on pvp and magica pve now I cannot do it because to be able to be a good dps 11-12k minimum u need loads and loads of magica which would slot u in that role only... when before CP system it wa sjust a matter of changing the gear
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Morshire✭✭✭✭henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »RainfeatherUK wrote: »Most people I come across love being able to specialize in a role more completely, because..well thats the role they want to play in groups.
When I play my DK, its cliche sure, but I play her to tank - so shes built that way. I dont want to suck at being a tank, because I dont want to let others in the group down. So shes got sustain, shes got armor but I dont expect her DPS to be on a par with others in the slightest.
If I could do that, I'd be so absurdly overpowered that everyone would play my build.
Limiting what people can and cant do in one moment has actually increased diversity for the first time in ages. Its a good step forward.
From what you say, anyone would think that you cant level up alternate weapons and plan seperate builds for your character and adopt those roles. Thats simply untrue, as I take my classes from one role to another fairly often.
It takes work, sure enough. Sort of the point in having a character and work that means anything at all dont you think?
Perhaps you didnt get what I said... its the facilty to switch builds on the same character without the need to respec... I have over 280 skill points with skills having both morphs levelled... I want the facility to be able to switch role as needed... as I said before the CP system one could just put all points hp and then switch gear... this is not viable anymore...
Okay, now we are having a conversation....I don't see the problem you are addressing. If you have 280 skill points, then you should easily be able to do what you want. If it is a matter of not having enough CP, and wanting to switch those to suit your role of choice, then I say no. Simply, I see the CP (at least at the lower numbers invested) as a way to add that special little something that makes us all different. If you want the different passives for X, then get them all and problem solved.
Truthfully, we can all agree that the majority of players will not be gaining all 3600 CP. So I think that the ones they do have should be thought out and placed in a way to"specialize" them for the role the have chosen. This choice does not limit you on being able to do any role, but it will limit you in being OP in them all. Otherwise, you have what Rainfeather said...everyone playing one OP class. That will not be good for the game. IMO
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✭✭Can't comment on the PVE side, as I play primarily in PVP and have not participated in Trials or veteran dungeons.
Prior to 1.6, light armor magicka build was quite versatile and tanky. Now I have to be a bit more creative and carefully craft a build that achieves specific goals.
With removal of softcaps, nerf of immovable and better balancing among the different armor types, it feels like the choices I make for gear / CP / passives, etc., matter a lot more now.
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Morshire✭✭✭✭henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »Apart from respecing to be tank, the main problem is pvp, i used to play stamina on pvp and magica pve now I cannot do it because to be able to be a good dps 11-12k minimum u need loads and loads of magica which would slot u in that role only... when before CP system it wa sjust a matter of changing the gear
As to this part....so if you balanced skill/attribute points, then glyphs for STAM on one armor set, and MAGICKA on the other, you would have the problem fixed. Sorry, it just seems that you are asking for the best of everything and to me, that doesn't work. Honestly, if you are min/max, then you are going to hurry to get 3600CP, then you will have max everything. So this problem won't exist.
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Celless✭✭✭While convenience could be nice in some regards, I like the that a character can specialize in 1.6 and statistically do that role better.
It's less the game that's not letting you play as you want and more about what you and your group members are willing to accept. And as long as the issue is with the player's way of thinking, no advice we give will appease you.
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henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »Apart from respecing to be tank, the main problem is pvp, i used to play stamina on pvp and magica pve now I cannot do it because to be able to be a good dps 11-12k minimum u need loads and loads of magica which would slot u in that role only... when before CP system it wa sjust a matter of changing the gear
As to this part....so if you balanced skill/attribute points, then glyphs for STAM on one armor set, and MAGICKA on the other, you would have the problem fixed. Sorry, it just seems that you are asking for the best of everything and to me, that doesn't work. Honestly, if you are min/max, then you are going to hurry to get 3600CP, then you will have max everything. So this problem won't exist.
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While convenience could be nice in some regards, I like the that a character can specialize in 1.6 and statistically do that role better.
It's less the game that's not letting you play as you want and more about what you and your group members are willing to accept. And as long as the issue is with the player's way of thinking, no advice we give will appease you.
And whats wrong with having 2 specialisations? Why do I have to respec to be viable for pvp?
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RainfeatherUK✭✭✭✭Exactly as @Morshire says.
By limitation - you create meaningful reasoning behind point investment/cp choice.
This creates worth in a character. Customization that matters to you and in turn makes it more valuable. Having everything easy might seem appealing but there is a cost to every decision like that. Often ending in the dumbing down and trivialising of the game.
Much of the game has changed on the magicka front because of the prior horrendous balance between heavy/medium/light.
Its different yes, but nobody wants to return back to a time when heavy armor was less defence then light o.0
Things now, can continue to evolve. 1.6 is merely the first stage in putting ESO back on the table - and although people arent quite happy yet, its a step forward that will eventually see the death of stale veteran rank gaps and a hopefully more meaningful progression system that will branch into the many new zones over the horizon.
I'm personally optimistic for the future and like most - I lost things in the transition. In the end though, the life of the game and keeping it meaningful rather than like every other mmo, is more important.Edited by RainfeatherUK on March 20, 2015 5:19PM -
Morshire✭✭✭✭henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »Apart from respecing to be tank, the main problem is pvp, i used to play stamina on pvp and magica pve now I cannot do it because to be able to be a good dps 11-12k minimum u need loads and loads of magica which would slot u in that role only... when before CP system it wa sjust a matter of changing the gear
As to this part....so if you balanced skill/attribute points, then glyphs for STAM on one armor set, and MAGICKA on the other, you would have the problem fixed. Sorry, it just seems that you are asking for the best of everything and to me, that doesn't work. Honestly, if you are min/max, then you are going to hurry to get 3600CP, then you will have max everything. So this problem won't exist.
Seriously man... have u even tried a magica build?
I am a magicka build. 42 attributes into MAGICKA, 20 in health. 14CP in Magician / 11 Arcanist / 13 Elfborn / 12 Blessed equal in LA / Spell Shield.....All my glyphs are spell cost/magicka regen/max magicka. So yes, to answer the question.
I see what this is though. Playing how you want means something entirely different to us. I can play however I want and NEVER respec or redistribute my CP. That was what you asked in the original thread. I healed a DC to the end, then traded with the tank to finish it off. No respec required. Just had two sets of armor and 1H&SH. That easy. It appears that you are trying for some domination factor at whatever you want to do. That is different. And honestly, that it too opinionated for me to want to discuss.
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RainfeatherUK wrote: »Exactly as @Morshire says.
By limitation - you create meaningful reasoning behind point investment/cp choice.
Are you Serious???? let me rephrase... You would set the champion points and attributes for a stamina build u save it, u u set up same for magica build u save it if you need to change anything u have to respec either one or other or both... now u have 2 builds you can play with the character... is it simple enough? -
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✭henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »Its not about tanking or healing, but how good you can be, stamina build is good for tanking... but you wouldnt be able to heal with it for sure... same for magica dps... and its the usual thing that ppl that are fine want to downshoot any idea...
I have a Sorc shield tank/dps. Weapon swap and a quick gear change is all I need to be successful at both roles.Shendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
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✭✭✭✭✭OP was used to having a light armor over powered DK that could tank a dungeon and wreck face in PvP, then put a heal staff on and run through 7 minute AA trials.
That ship has sailed, they have balanced the game away from that. The thought that you should be able to do everything equally well, nay, better than others that have put all their resources into that role is laughable at best.
Be realistic here, you fully expect to be able to heal/dps/tank on one character simply by switching armor? That just don't make sense..
It never was a fair and balanced system, that you liked it and its gone is sad for you, but it ain't coming back.
Pick a role and be great at at. Pick two roles and be good at both, try to do all three without 500+ champion points and fail.
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Morshire✭✭✭✭henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »RainfeatherUK wrote: »Exactly as @Morshire says.
By limitation - you create meaningful reasoning behind point investment/cp choice.
Are you Serious???? let me rephrase... You would set the champion points and attributes for a stamina build u save it, u u set up same for magica build u save it if you need to change anything u have to respec either one or other or both... now u have 2 builds you can play with the character... is it simple enough?
Solution to this problem..........get all 3600CP and problem solved. No respec required. But this has nothing to do with play as you want.
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✭It's not a concern for me, but I see where you're coming from OP and see nothing wrong with your suggestion. Well maybe they title of the thread is a bit much.Killed by Sunshine 1vX How I see it.
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henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »RainfeatherUK wrote: »Exactly as @Morshire says.
By limitation - you create meaningful reasoning behind point investment/cp choice.
Are you Serious???? let me rephrase... You would set the champion points and attributes for a stamina build u save it, u u set up same for magica build u save it if you need to change anything u have to respec either one or other or both... now u have 2 builds you can play with the character... is it simple enough?
Solution to this problem..........get all 3600CP and problem solved. No respec required. But this has nothing to do with play as you want.
You must be a real joker... with 2cp a day?????
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✭✭✭✭✭henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »RainfeatherUK wrote: »Exactly as @Morshire says.
By limitation - you create meaningful reasoning behind point investment/cp choice.
Are you Serious???? let me rephrase... You would set the champion points and attributes for a stamina build u save it, u u set up same for magica build u save it if you need to change anything u have to respec either one or other or both... now u have 2 builds you can play with the character... is it simple enough?
Well attributes take all of 10 seconds and champ takes at most 5 minutes if you have the build built already. You can do this now, just save it to a spreadsheet on your computer and problem solvedTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting. -
RainfeatherUK✭✭✭✭Yes im serious. I simply do not agree with you, is that too difficult for you to grasp?
When I design a character, it is many things.
Aesthetics (The look) I value this.
A role - I'm a long term PvP mmo player but in this instance I also have a mind of what 'class' or idea that character may have. Even in single player games I have an idea of it.
Race, whilst sort of a part of the first point, is alot ot do with Lore in this game. That has some influence too.
With all these things, I have a very fixed Idea of what I wish to be in the beginning. It'll be of no surprise to you then, that I am a fan of the class system and the trinity in mmos. Fot this reason, I disliked gw2 (lack of it).
Clearly your argument is one of wanting to have access to everything on one character. But in a way that you cant be bothered to put in the work required.
We arent going to agree because of (as Morshire already stated) our different viewpoints on value, hardwork and meaning.
So i'll exit the conversation also. Sorry.Edited by RainfeatherUK on March 20, 2015 5:32PM -
henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »RainfeatherUK wrote: »Exactly as @Morshire says.
By limitation - you create meaningful reasoning behind point investment/cp choice.
Are you Serious???? let me rephrase... You would set the champion points and attributes for a stamina build u save it, u u set up same for magica build u save it if you need to change anything u have to respec either one or other or both... now u have 2 builds you can play with the character... is it simple enough?
Well attributes take all of 10 seconds and champ takes at most 5 minutes if you have the build built already. You can do this now, just save it to a spreadsheet on your computer and problem solved
For the nth time... this is about having 2 builds which you can switch without cost... getit?
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✭✭✭✭✭henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »With the current system one cannot be a tank one run and dps or healer the other, please give us some kind of system where we can have at least 2 options to choose from and they can be switched. These would be settings that can be saved and loaded for Attributes(HP, Mag, Stam) and settings for Champion points. That way If I want to play pvp or tank I do not have to respec every time... and with the grouping tool not being used, sometimes u need to switch role to be able to do the dailies... 2 saved options would be real good, 3 would be perfect...
You can play however you want. You just can't be amazing at whatever you want with whatever you dream up. I had these concerns too, but seems to me many people have found ways to be able to do 2 roles with gear/mundus swap. (Yes, since 1.6) -
RainfeatherUK wrote: »Yes im serious. I simply do not agree with you, is that too difficult for you to grasp?
When I design a character, it is many things.
Aesthetics (The look) I value this.
A role - I'm a long term PvP mmo player but in this instance I also have a mind of what 'class' or idea that character may have. Even in single player games I have an idea of it.
Race, whilst sort of a part of the first point, is alot ot do with Lore in this game. That has some influence too.
With all these things, I have a very fixed Idea of what I wish to be in the beginning. It'll be of no surprise to you then, that I am a fan of the class system and the trinity in mmos. Fot this reason, I disliked gw2 (lack of it).
Clearly your argument is one of wanting to have access to everything on one character. But in a way that you cant be bothered to put in the work required.
We arent going to agree because of (as Morshire already stated) our different viewpoints on value, hardwork and meaning.
So i'll exit the conversation also. Sorry.
Listen i have 102 DAYS play time... I do the same for my build twice, I had a build for pvp and a build for pve which were really good... now I can only play pve because pvp has become impossible you can only play one if you are magica based and want to be competitive in pve... -
RainfeatherUK✭✭✭✭henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »For the nth time... this is about having 2 builds which you can switch without cost... getit?
You are bordering on insult at this point. Im sure you're quite well understood.
Two alternate builds rapidly exchangeable would be two completely different characters if we are to assume optimum efficiency. Thats a circumnavigation of too many systems for the sake of laziness.
Anyway. Im done.
edit: And no, pvping with some of the better players duel wise - things are better than before. Maybe you should try it instead of complaining.Edited by RainfeatherUK on March 20, 2015 5:36PM -
Morshire✭✭✭✭henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »RainfeatherUK wrote: »Exactly as @Morshire says.
By limitation - you create meaningful reasoning behind point investment/cp choice.
Are you Serious???? let me rephrase... You would set the champion points and attributes for a stamina build u save it, u u set up same for magica build u save it if you need to change anything u have to respec either one or other or both... now u have 2 builds you can play with the character... is it simple enough?
Well attributes take all of 10 seconds and champ takes at most 5 minutes if you have the build built already. You can do this now, just save it to a spreadsheet on your computer and problem solved
For the nth time... this is about having 2 builds which you can switch without cost... getit?
Yep, I "gettit"......So first, the title is misleading. Second, pissing all over everyone who came here in an attempt to help isn't going to win you support. Third, thinking everyone is a "joker" or not gettit" cause we don't agree isn't a thread topic. You should of asked people to just come read, agree or shut up.
Simply put, I "gettit", what you want is the ability to do it all and not pay. Well even farther from something I agree with. Seriously, if you would have been clearer, I would have jumped from this thread long ago. So now, do you GETTIT?Follow me if I advance, Kill me if I retreat, Avenge me if I die.
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henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »RainfeatherUK wrote: »Exactly as @Morshire says.
By limitation - you create meaningful reasoning behind point investment/cp choice.
Are you Serious???? let me rephrase... You would set the champion points and attributes for a stamina build u save it, u u set up same for magica build u save it if you need to change anything u have to respec either one or other or both... now u have 2 builds you can play with the character... is it simple enough?
Well attributes take all of 10 seconds and champ takes at most 5 minutes if you have the build built already. You can do this now, just save it to a spreadsheet on your computer and problem solved
For the nth time... this is about having 2 builds which you can switch without cost... getit?
Yep, I "gettit"......So first, the title is misleading. Second, pissing all over everyone who came here in an attempt to help isn't going to win you support. Third, thinking everyone is a "joker" or not gettit" cause we don't agree isn't a thread topic. You should of asked people to just come read, agree or shut up.
Simply put, I "gettit", what you want is the ability to do it all and not pay. Well even farther from something I agree with. Seriously, if you would have been clearer, I would have jumped from this thread long ago. So now, do you GETTIT?
I am tired of people wanting to shoot down ideas and suggestions, this is not asking much but then again you are fine as you are... If you have a stamina build you dont have any problems for sure... magica on the other hand got shafted big time and we are restricted to a single gear build... unless you experienced it you wouldn't know... just play some more till you arrrive at that stage... -
Morshire✭✭✭✭henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »RainfeatherUK wrote: »Exactly as @Morshire says.
By limitation - you create meaningful reasoning behind point investment/cp choice.
Are you Serious???? let me rephrase... You would set the champion points and attributes for a stamina build u save it, u u set up same for magica build u save it if you need to change anything u have to respec either one or other or both... now u have 2 builds you can play with the character... is it simple enough?
Well attributes take all of 10 seconds and champ takes at most 5 minutes if you have the build built already. You can do this now, just save it to a spreadsheet on your computer and problem solved
For the nth time... this is about having 2 builds which you can switch without cost... getit?
Yep, I "gettit"......So first, the title is misleading. Second, pissing all over everyone who came here in an attempt to help isn't going to win you support. Third, thinking everyone is a "joker" or not gettit" cause we don't agree isn't a thread topic. You should of asked people to just come read, agree or shut up.
Simply put, I "gettit", what you want is the ability to do it all and not pay. Well even farther from something I agree with. Seriously, if you would have been clearer, I would have jumped from this thread long ago. So now, do you GETTIT?
I am tired of people wanting to shoot down ideas and suggestions, this is not asking much but then again you are fine as you are... If you have a stamina build you dont have any problems for sure... magica on the other hand got shafted big time and we are restricted to a single gear build... unless you experienced it you wouldn't know... just play some more till you arrrive at that stage...
So, I am done with the thread. But, I am trying hard to be nice today. So let me just address what I bolded. I would have never even commented if it would have been clear in the topic. I am not, nor have I ever, shot down the suggestion. Merely disagreed. I don't see things the way you do. I am fine with my MAGICKA build. Not agreeing is not shooting you down. You are free to ask for whatever you want. I am free to disagree. And in my courteous mood, I would not have put one post in here, which would have left you to discuss or argue with someone else. I could care less if ZOS does what you ask or not on this subject. It matters not one bit. So I apologize for the derailment, I thought this was about something else entirely.
With that, I leave you to your requests.
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