Give us the option to play how we want back!
With the current system one cannot be a tank one run and dps or healer the other, please give us some kind of system where we can have at least 2 options to choose from and they can be switched. These would be settings that can be saved and loaded for Attributes(HP, Mag, Stam) and settings for Champion points. That way If I want to play pvp or tank I do not have to respec every time... and with the grouping tool not being used, sometimes u need to switch role to be able to do the dailies... 2 saved options would be real good, 3 would be perfect...
Edited by henryabelarwb17_ESO on March 20, 2015 2:27PM 3
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Shunravi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭My morphs, attributes, and champion points are all in dps.
I tanked vCOA 5 times yesterday. DSA 2 times the day before. Plus all the pledges since 1.6.
I think the system is fine.
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So you are a stamina build then... what about magica? just because its fine for you does not mean its fine for everyone...3
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✭✭✭✭✭I could probably tank or heal. Might just slot a couple things differently. Maybe a couple of gear pieces.0 -
Shunravi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »So you are a stamina build then... what about magica? just because its fine for you does not mean its fine for everyone...
It does not matter whether I'm stamina or magica to be effective. Not all that much has changed. And I'm not tanking in medium fyi.
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Shunravi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I could probably tank or heal. Might just slot a couple things differently. Maybe a couple of gear pieces.
That's really all it takes. Heck, I'm using an outdated, lackluster and redundant tank spec (imo) and I'm still doing fine.This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!1 -
asteldian✭✭✭✭I tank and stamina dps, thouh ironically due to my tank style I would be better off as magicka dps. This would also open up healing as a very effective role. But I prefer stamina dps so will stick to it.1 -
Its not about tanking or healing, but how good you can be, stamina build is good for tanking... but you wouldnt be able to heal with it for sure... same for magica dps... and its the usual thing that ppl that are fine want to downshoot any idea...1
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nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭My templar is perfectly capable of switching between tanking and healing on the fly. If I need to dedicate to one specific role for a run, I just switch gear.
As always, you can play how you want. You just can't always be as effective as everyone else while playing how you want.----
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manyrabidrats✭✭✭i dont really understand the drive behind all this min/max talk. the only people who care at all about this is the folks going for fastest times or the pvp lifers.
i play on my vet sorc a alot and cover any of the 3 rolls successfully.
i've been main healer, dps, and tank in several dungeon runs, its just a matter of swapping weapons around.
for tank i usually pick sword/board, dps destro staff,and the heal staff for the other of course.
running 5 heavy, 3 light armor.
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Morshire✭✭✭✭OP, the problem you are having is that you need more skill points. I heal/tank/DPS on a dime. I just move the skills slotted, change my armor, and away I go. The problem you face is not having the skill points to have all the different line maxed. It comes later. This game is actually very versatile in that regard. 200 skill points allows me:
2H - all skills and passives (Morphes only for skills I use)
1H&SH - all skills and passives (Morphes only for skills I use)
RESTRO - all skills and passives (Morphes only for skills I use)
3 class skills - all skills and passives (Morphes only for skills I use)
MAGE - Inner light and Spell symmetry and the passives
FIGHTER - Silver bolts and passives
Undaunted - Inner Beast 1 passive
CRAFTING - Blacksmith/Woodworker/Clothing maxed
I just hit "K" change skills, swap armor and weapons, and I go. I can do this in front of the dungeon I am about to enter. At lower levels, it was a chore not having the skill points and being forced to respect whenever I wanted to change. Quick suggestion, get the Sky shard add on, spend a day gathering them up, and your problem will be fixed.
(Not saying all this to be a condescending a$$hole. Trying to help)Follow me if I advance, Kill me if I retreat, Avenge me if I die.
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Exstazik✭✭✭✭henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »With the current system one cannot be a tank one run and dps or healer the other, please give us some kind of system where we can have at least 2 options to choose from and they can be switched. These would be settings that can be saved and loaded for Attributes(HP, Mag, Stam) and settings for Champion points. That way If I want to play pvp or tank I do not have to respec every time... and with the grouping tool not being used, sometimes u need to switch role to be able to do the dailies... 2 saved options would be real good, 3 would be perfect...
Simple solution-grind all 3600 cp
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henryabelarwb17_ESO wrote: »With the current system one cannot be a tank one run and dps or healer the other, please give us some kind of system where we can have at least 2 options to choose from and they can be switched. These would be settings that can be saved and loaded for Attributes(HP, Mag, Stam) and settings for Champion points. That way If I want to play pvp or tank I do not have to respec every time... and with the grouping tool not being used, sometimes u need to switch role to be able to do the dailies... 2 saved options would be real good, 3 would be perfect...
Simple solution-grind all 3600 cp
With the current rate it would take 5 years!!!!!
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Shunravi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I tank and stamina dps, thouh ironically due to my tank style I would be better off as magicka dps. This would also open up healing as a very effective role. But I prefer stamina dps so will stick to it.
Pretty much the same for me. I am stamina speced for dps, but my tanking style would benifit far more if I was magica.nerevarine1138 wrote: »My templar is perfectly capable of switching between tanking and healing on the fly. If I need to dedicate to one specific role for a run, I just switch gear.
As always, you can play how you want. You just can't always be as effective as everyone else while playing how you want.
Quite so. And that's how it should be. My tanking won't be as safe as someone who built pure tank, but it is more than effective enough for what I need it to do. Frankly, I don't want to be as effective as a pure tank if I didn't invest as much into it. I can play the role effectively enough, but I'm not the best. And that's fine.This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!0 -
I am a magica DK DPS, and if I want yes I can tank, or heal but it would not make me a good healer or tank, I would be ok but I would not dream of tanking 2 atros in vet COA... and not to mention pvp.0
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Naor_Sarethi✭✭✭"play how you want"... doesn't mean you can redecide every 5 minutes and be as effective. That was never implied. What do you want? A char that heals best tanks best and does best dmg? that's insane and would never work. You can reskill and level a different combinaton up but you can't honestly expect that it will be as effective immediately after.0 -
Shunravi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OP, the problem you are having is that you need more skill points. I heal/tank/DPS on a dime. I just move the skills slotted, change my armor, and away I go. The problem you face is not having the skill points to have all the different line maxed. It comes later. This game is actually very versatile in that regard. 200 skill points allows me:
2H - all skills and passives (Morphes only for skills I use)
1H&SH - all skills and passives (Morphes only for skills I use)
RESTRO - all skills and passives (Morphes only for skills I use)
3 class skills - all skills and passives (Morphes only for skills I use)
MAGE - Inner light and Spell symmetry and the passives
FIGHTER - Silver bolts and passives
Undaunted - Inner Beast 1 passive
CRAFTING - Blacksmith/Woodworker/Clothing maxed
I just hit "K" change skills, swap armor and weapons, and I go. I can do this in front of the dungeon I am about to enter. At lower levels, it was a chore not having the skill points and being forced to respect whenever I wanted to change. Quick suggestion, get the Sky shard add on, spend a day gathering them up, and your problem will be fixed.
(Not saying all this to be a condescending a$$hole. Trying to help)
Bolded the part I'm failing at, and I'm sorry for that.This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!2 -
Robbmrp✭✭✭✭✭
✭I completely agree. We need to be able to save builds for the areas: Attributes, Skills(Excluding Crafting) and Champion Points. It's getting really ridiculous trying to find that last person for the group now because people are forced into one main role. If ALL classes had their own increased HEALING, Templars wouldn't be forced into that main role. The bosses in this game do to much damage and people don't want to have to sacrifice DPS from switching back from Destro to Resto staffs.
As a templar it cost too much now to switch from Healing to a Tank build every time we can't find a tank. It's almost 10k every time you have to do that. Now if we were receiving 20k from the dungeon run then it wouldn't be a big deal. The only way that's remotely possible is for that one piece of Warlock, or Footman, Or healer gear to drop and for the highest level.
They would probably need to do this for each area as one button covering 3 separate areas would be too much to program. They could easily add in two build options for each area with simple Build1/Build2. You setup those builds once and save them for each area. Then it's a matter of switching out gear if needed. That could be done manually or with an Addon.
We should be able to have two builds available to use at no additional cost at all times with just a quick click of 1-3 buttons. That's not really a lot to ask for IMHO.NA Server - Kildair1 -
Its just a system like they use in the RIFT MMO its a way that u can swap roles or setups... before it was possible and was good, now its not0
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Naor_Sarethi wrote: »"play how you want"... doesn't mean you can redecide every 5 minutes and be as effective. That was never implied. What do you want? A char that heals best tanks best and does best dmg? that's insane and would never work. You can reskill and level a different combinaton up but you can't honestly expect that it will be as effective immediately after.
Who said redecide every 5 min? before one could just swap gear and be magica or stamina based... now its not possible anymore gettit? these forums are full of oh I am better then you know it alls... well I know my stuff no need for useless adviceEdited by henryabelarwb17_ESO on March 20, 2015 3:22PM1 -
Morshire✭✭✭✭Okay, I get it. This is really I want to scream and moan thread......Seriously OP. Please put that in the title from now on. I jumped in here to try and help, and you grab the posts that let you "fight" with someone versus actually try to come to a solution. I wish people would add that they want to argue in the topic line so I can avoid these.Follow me if I advance, Kill me if I retreat, Avenge me if I die.
When this immediate evil power has been defeated, we shall not yet have won the long battle with the elemental barbarities. Another evil, it may be an invisible adversary, will attempt, again, and yet again, to destroy our frail civilization. Is it true, I wonder, that the only way to escape a war is to be in it?
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I am tired of people with the im all right sod u jack attitude... if you dont find a problem why would you bother answering here then?0
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Morshire✭✭✭✭Seriously? Read it again:OP, the problem you are having is that you need more skill points. I heal/tank/DPS on a dime. I just move the skills slotted, change my armor, and away I go. The problem you face is not having the skill points to have all the different line maxed. It comes later. This game is actually very versatile in that regard. 200 skill points allows me:
2H - all skills and passives (Morphes only for skills I use)
1H&SH - all skills and passives (Morphes only for skills I use)
RESTRO - all skills and passives (Morphes only for skills I use)
3 class skills - all skills and passives (Morphes only for skills I use)
MAGE - Inner light and Spell symmetry and the passives
FIGHTER - Silver bolts and passives
Undaunted - Inner Beast 1 passive
CRAFTING - Blacksmith/Woodworker/Clothing maxed
I just hit "K" change skills, swap armor and weapons, and I go. I can do this in front of the dungeon I am about to enter. At lower levels, it was a chore not having the skill points and being forced to respect whenever I wanted to change. Quick suggestion, get the Sky shard add on, spend a day gathering them up, and your problem will be fixed.
(Not saying all this to be a condescending a$$hole. Trying to help)
See, acknowledged the problem (bolded for you), but showed a solution. But you were too busy crying about how much gold a respect costs. Using my example...I spend no gold for respecs. As to the rest, I was trying to be helpful. If it wasn't you could have acknowledged and we could have addressed the future concern. So far, you haven't changed anything you are saying, which means you just want to keep whining.
Follow me if I advance, Kill me if I retreat, Avenge me if I die.
When this immediate evil power has been defeated, we shall not yet have won the long battle with the elemental barbarities. Another evil, it may be an invisible adversary, will attempt, again, and yet again, to destroy our frail civilization. Is it true, I wonder, that the only way to escape a war is to be in it?
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✭✭✭✭You can still swap roles fairly easily. Though I wouldn't be opposed to lowering the cost to respec Champion Points by about 50%.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Okay, I get it. This is really I want to scream and moan thread......Seriously OP. Please put that in the title from now on. I jumped in here to try and help, and you grab the posts that let you "fight" with someone versus actually try to come to a solution. I wish people would add that they want to argue in the topic line so I can avoid these.
Is what I said too much to ask? why do people have to assume that one is not doing the right thing?0 -
RainfeatherUK✭✭✭✭Most people I come across love being able to specialize in a role more completely, because..well thats the role they want to play in groups.
When I play my DK, its cliche sure, but I play her to tank - so shes built that way. I dont want to suck at being a tank, because I dont want to let others in the group down. So shes got sustain, shes got armor but I dont expect her DPS to be on a par with others in the slightest.
If I could do that, I'd be so absurdly overpowered that everyone would play my build.
Limiting what people can and cant do in one moment has actually increased diversity for the first time in ages. Its a good step forward.
From what you say, anyone would think that you cant level up alternate weapons and plan seperate builds for your character and adopt those roles. Thats simply untrue, as I take my classes from one role to another fairly often.
It takes work, sure enough. Sort of the point in having a character and work that means anything at all dont you think?Edited by RainfeatherUK on March 20, 2015 3:46PM0 -
DHale✭✭✭✭✭
✭There are add ons to swap skills and weapons and armor. You need Skill points.. skyshards and dungeons and quest and PVP ing oh my. I throw caltrops down when I pve why cause they do LOTS of damage and because I can. Can you?Sorcerna, proud beta sorc. RIP April 2014 to May 31 2016 DArk Brotherhood. Out of retirement for negates and encases. Sorcerna will be going back into retirement to be my main crafter Fall 2018. Because an 8 k shield is f ing useless. Died because of baddies on the forum. Too much qq too little pew pew. 16 AD 2 DC. 0 EP cause they bad, CP 2300 plus 18 level 50 toons. NA, PC, Grey Host#SORCLIVESMATTER actually they don’t or they wouldn’t keep getting nerfed constantly.0 -
Shunravi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Alright, let me spin this a different way so I can be a bit more constructive. I have not yet redone my armor in 1.6. I'm a Nightblade tank who is not using the shadow barrier passive in my rotation yet. As a DK, the only thing you would need to do to get better stats than me is use heavy (or even medium) with spiked armor and green dragons blood. My armor is dedicated to gaining what DKs get from their passives. Using the same armor, a DK gets far more in those areas than I do. And I'm doing fine as is.
But then, my perspective is not based on min/maxing. It's based on what's effective. I can still be an effective tank and an effective caster. I won't be the best,and I think the system is fine that way.
But then again, I do not fully disagree with your suggestion. As much as I think it's fine as it is, being able to use multiple spec would certainly not hurt.This one has an eloquent and well thought out response to tha... Ooh sweetroll!0 -
Morshire✭✭✭✭RainfeatherUK wrote: »Most people I come across love being able to specialize in a role more completely, because..well thats the role they want to play in groups.
When I play my DK, its cliche sure, but I play her to tank - so shes built that way. I dont want to suck at being a tank, because I dont want to let others in the group down. So shes got sustain, shes got armor but I dont expect her DPS to be on a par with others in the slightest.
If I could do that, I'd be so absurdly overpowered that everyone would play my build.
Limiting what people can and cant do in one moment has actually increased diversity for the first time in ages. Its a good step forward.
From what you say, anyone would thing that you cant level up alternate weapons and plan seperate builds for your character and adopt those roles. Thats simply untrue, as I take my classes from one role to another fairly often.
It takes work, sure enough. Sort of the point in having a character and work that means anything at all dont you think?
So not sure here? I fully agree that you cannot expect to be great at everything. I was under the impression that the OP was having an issue respecting to just fill the role. I am by far not the best at any role I play, but I can, even in the middle of a dungeon, change skills to be able to do those things. I agree with you Rainfeather, being the best at something does require devoting resources and skill. And I doubt anyone would claim to be the best at all 3 on a character. So maybe I am misunderstanding what is being discussed. What I said above is merely that the game allows diversity in playstyle quite easily, without needing to respec. But I can fill all the roles, but I only do well as a healer. The only way I would be able to be a very good tank would be if I abandoned the build I have and devote myself to tanking.
But for the record, I was full tank till VR5, then I changed to all healing for the rest. I didn't respec, to achieve this. I got new armor, changed the glyphs, etc. Play as you want isn't being the best at everything. It, IMO, means that you should be able to do anything. What I wrote above does that.
(And Rainfeather, not trying to fight with you. Your point is valid, and I will be happy to discuss it. Just not trying to fight today with anyone. Please don't take my words as confrontational.)Follow me if I advance, Kill me if I retreat, Avenge me if I die.
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