Is the Nightblades gimped sneak attack fair?

egosumacunnus

I think they have over nerfed Concealed weapon/Nightblade sneak attack or over done the amount of spell resistance mobs have. Concealed weapon and morphs needed nerfing (Especially in PvP) but not that much. Judging by the numbers i get it has totally lost it's damage bonus for a sneak attack and just crits like a normal attack.

Snipe from sneak now does more damage with 10K Stamina compared to concealed weapon and 23K of Magicka. Melee attack is with Nirnhoned swords and bow is with Sharpened. Also worth mentioning that that is with no passives in the Bow skill tree.

Further, with the change to the Concentration passive, NB's now have no way of improving their spell penetration beyond traits, going full light armour or waiting till they have earned a lot of champion points. Is this the idea behind it, to gimp it till you have 150 Champion points?

Nighblades lack of major multiple target damage abilities was offset by being able to kill the first target quickly.

I think this is too much, if this is to stay then i will live with it, nerf's come and go and the game changes as it should to remain balanced just seems pointless having a sneaky assassin class that is only viable with light armour and a stick or a bow.

Hocofaisan

What is a Nightblade?

Putting the Sorc taunts in there isn't going to help your discussion on Nightblade troubles.

egosumacunnus

Unaceptable Nerf

No it won't, but it cheers me up since my favourite class is gimped.

Gilvoth

Unaceptable Nerf

its not fair and niether was them taking away our sneak speeds.
not a day goes by that i dont think about it and im very angry about it.
every single day i think about how they took away our sneak speeds that hurt no one, every single day.

Zershar_Vemod

Unaceptable Nerf

Vampire Nightblade here.

ZOS has not been kind to my main to say the least.

Rydik

How you can compare two absolute different skills? Snipe will always do more damage because this skill was created to do more damage. About everything else, all classes more effective with certain weapons, than with others, just live with it. Pointless theme.

crislevin

Acceptable Nerf

welcome to the club.

Lava_Croft

Unaceptable Nerf

Concealed Weapon is now only good for the stun. The damage it does is cute, but useless.

JacksonCarter13

Unaceptable Nerf

I completely agree with this... I feel gimp as a magica nightblade now. My old melee magica build which I have accepted is never coming back was BY FAR significantly a better build than anything even possible to put together now. Although I have managed to make it work its now a completely different play style with speed from cripple and or double take are required to land concealed weapon. I mean if were being honest here they just screwed up PVP even worse than it was before. Getting ambush incapacitated by some no good nb stacking weapon dmg is not skilled and or talented in any way where as before I could at least compete with every class equally, now I just feel gimp. Oh and just to top it off @ZOS btw Dark Cloak still doesnt work all the time thanks for that!

cvgb16_ESO

I'm a Sorc whose only skill is the ability to spam impulse really quickly and therefore my opinion is invalid.

Well duh.. using an opener in melee range is more dangerous so you should be punished for taking a risk by doing less damage. Please consider your characters safety and spam snipe and poison injection from max range. Preferably from a bush on a hill.

Father

Unaceptable Nerf

Buffing surprise attack and concealed weapons can solve the problem. please put it on par with wrecking blow dmg.

EDIT : Forgot to say that heavy attack with 2h weapon does more damage than Surprise attack / concealed weapons.

Iago

This is why Nerf are bad well most nerfs some nerfs are ok case in point the picture below

DDuke

They didn't actually nerf the sneak attack damage (they might have though, have to test it with Surprise Attack).

It's simply a case of Concealed Weapon scaling off spell critical/penetration now (being a spell, basically). Spells do not benefit from sneak attack modifier, at all (which is why you're seeing normal crits).

AssaultLemming

Unaceptable Nerf

DDuke wrote: »

They didn't actually nerf the sneak attack damage (they might have though, have to test it with Surprise Attack).

It's simply a case of Concealed Weapon scaling off spell critical/penetration now (being a spell, basically). Spells do not benefit from sneak attack modifier, at all (which is why you're seeing normal crits).

Yeah this is what I was going to say, basically nothing that scales from spell damage/magicka benefits from sneak attack. Previously this cost magicka but as it scaled from weapon damage it was a sneak attack. Concealed weapon can now be thought of as a similar use to funnel health, I.e. A single target spam nuke, where you trade the heals and range you get from funnel health for more damage.

ScruffyWhiskers

They need to make an exception for concealed weapon and the sneak multiplier. Same for Lotus Fan although I would like to see that completely reworked. A magical MELEE attack where I have to get close to the target should get stealth crit bonus damage. I am this close to just giving up on the way I WANTED TO PLAY. I guess I'll just go stamina like everybody else. I wouldn't mind if I just had to redo my attributes and put on some new gear. But now I have to respec all my CP. I hope they listen to this feedback and make some changes.

Endurance

just use ambush.. all those magicka skills are half useless

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

AssaultLemming wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

They didn't actually nerf the sneak attack damage (they might have though, have to test it with Surprise Attack).

It's simply a case of Concealed Weapon scaling off spell critical/penetration now (being a spell, basically). Spells do not benefit from sneak attack modifier, at all (which is why you're seeing normal crits).

Yeah this is what I was going to say, basically nothing that scales from spell damage/magicka benefits from sneak attack. Previously this cost magicka but as it scaled from weapon damage it was a sneak attack. Concealed weapon can now be thought of as a similar use to funnel health, I.e. A single target spam nuke, where you trade the heals and range you get from funnel health for more damage.

Yeah the Above right there needs to be changed with Concealed Weapon,

it should get Sneak Damage.

I have always leaned toward stamina with my main, but I do have a Argonian Nightblade magicka based healer and he now uses Concealed Weapon, because it is Magicka based, and it should still get the Sneak attack bonus..

ScruffyWhiskers

Endurance wrote: »

just use ambush.. all those magicka skills are half useless

Yeah but I use the other half a lot. Ambush scaling of my 13k stamina just tickles other players...or pisses them off. Mostly pisses them off I bet.

DDuke

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

Endurance wrote: »

just use ambush.. all those magicka skills are half useless

Yeah but I use the other half a lot. Ambush scaling of my 13k stamina just tickles other players...or pisses them off. Mostly pisses them off I bet.

Definitely pisses them off.