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Can't Escape Guards Indoors? (Justice System suggestions)

ZeroNeonix
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One of the problems with the Justice System seems to be that it is impossible to escape the guards if you are caught indoors. When evading the guards, the only doors that can be used are for the criminal hideouts. There needs to be some method for players to get away when they happen to be indoors.

If running out the front door isn't an option, how about windows? Windows could be made targetable, and have a health bar. When enough damage is done to the window, the player may jump out of it, appearing outside of the building, possibly taking fall damage if done from a second story window.

I also think that the witnesses system could be improved by modeling more after Skyrim. The way it is now, if I kill a lone NPC where no one else is around, and it takes more than one hit, the crime is witnessed and cannot be removed. With a more Skyrim-type system, if a crime is witnessed by an NPC (or later, a player guard), those NPCs become witnesses, and killing them off removes your bounty because no one is left knowing of your crime. I would appreciate this change in a later update.

Lastly, while I am okay with NPC guards being invincible now, I do hope that this will only last until player guards are eventually implemented. Once player guards are in, that'll add enough of a challenge. Invincible guards would just be overkill at that point.
  • AshySamurai
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    Hell, I knew that will happen. Clone topic. Use search please.
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  • f047ys3v3n
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    This does seem a rather strange thing. A buddy of mine got in a fight with a guard in the bank after being caught stealing. Big mess that was as he couldn't escape and is a tanky templar so can pretty much live forever.

    ...He also got reported for grieving by another player for casting spells in that bank. ZOS gave him a warning on his account and refuses to remove it. How many things are messed up in this story?
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  • Nyghthowler
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    This happened to me last night. Found a recipe in the fighters guild hall and stole it. Immediately assaulted by a guard and since I didn't know you can't exit the building, was killed.

    Are these items placed just to taunt us with 'you can steal it, but have no hope of keeping it' ....
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  • ZeroNeonix
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    Hell, I knew that will happen. Clone topic. Use search please.

    After seeing entire pages of "OMG, ESO is going free-to-play!?" I don't care if my topic was covered in some buried thread on another page. And I doubt their suggestions were exactly the same as mine, anyway.
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  • WhitePawPrints
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    Immortal guards, I can deal with. Fine. I don't like it because you can get cornered and I'd rather leave a few bodies with my own than simply give up and wait to die.

    No possibility of escape when faced with immortal hostiles, I cannot agree with. Breakable windows, scaling walls, anything would be better than being forced to give up and wait to die.

    Witness detection could be improved. It'd be great if witnesses ran away rather than trying to fight with fist, so that the crime can be reported, but I'll settle with a system similar to Skyrim's.
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  • avanwhy
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    I escaped a guard while he was beating on me in a bank. After I blocked a heavy attack of his I knocked him down with my own heavy attack, which gave me time to open the front door.
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  • AshySamurai
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    Also, you can just use invis pot and easily escape. Solved.
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  • Sinolai
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    I was pickpeceting people in church once and one of the people there saw it and attacked. I had to kill her in order to leave the church and my bounty skyrocketed.

    Today I got killed by a guard becouse I stole a radish.
    I agree that we need either a way to escape the guards when indoors, or be able to kill them (or delay them some other way to give us enough time to escape)
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    STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM
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  • Valrien
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    Nice necro bro...at least you used the search :P
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  • whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO
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    My advice from being a Master Thief, yeah I got the title too in the Thieves Guild DLC, :wink:

    Make some combo Vanish potions,
    Increase Movement Speed, Vanish= Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, Namira’s Rot.

    and make sure they are slotted when stealing, when you get spotted, use the potion, then move as far away from the NPC as possible, if the potion is long enough the NPC will eventually reset and you cant get into sneak and maybe get away.

    Good luck.

    PS- once you go into combat the doors on the interior lock, once the NPC resets, the Door's unlock.
    Edited by whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO on March 25, 2016 10:42PM
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  • Sharee
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    There's a loading screen tip that says if you avoid getting hit by the guard for a while you will be able to use the door.
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  • Sinolai
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    Valrien wrote: »
    Nice necro bro...at least you used the search :P
    Thanks. Isn't that why the search option is there? :smiley:
    Sharee wrote: »
    There's a loading screen tip that says if you avoid getting hit by the guard for a while you will be able to use the door.
    Yes. The question is: "How do you stop the guard?". They can break free from slows & stuns and they are immortal. I also tried to drop a storm atronach on his head but he didn't give it any attention.
    My advice from being a Master Thief, yeah I got the title too in the Thieves Guild DLC, :wink:

    Make some combo Vanish potions,
    Increase Movement Speed, Vanish= Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, Namira’s Rot.

    and make sure they are slotted when stealing, when you get spotted, use the potion, then move as far away from the NPC as possible, if the potion is long enough the NPC will eventually reset and you cant get into sneak and maybe get away.

    Good luck.

    THIS is actually a good tip :smiley: Thanks!
    Edited by Sinolai on March 25, 2016 11:05PM
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  • IcyDeadPeople
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    *nvm didn't notice this thread is from last year
    Edited by IcyDeadPeople on March 26, 2016 12:54AM
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  • dodgehopper_ESO
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    Also, you can just use invis pot and easily escape. Solved.

    That depends upon how small or large the interior is.
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  • goatlyonesub17_ESO
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    I steal when indoors, but I don't expect to get away if caught stealing indoors. My khajiit character is very stealthy and has never been caught stealing indoors. While she was doing the "get away from guards 100 times" Justice quest achievement, she intentionally got herself caught (outdoors) by an NPC shopkeeper, but not while a guard was around. Then, with a small bounty on her, she ran up to the guard by the bank in Belkarth, in Craglorn, and waved hi. He recognized her and started chasing. She ran the other way, down the road and off to the left, jumping off the rock into the river, and then out to where the Outlaw Hideout exit door was. She did this over and over, and got killed only once while finishing the achievement.
    Edited by goatlyonesub17_ESO on March 26, 2016 1:02AM
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  • Usara
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    Personally, I use a medium set with stam on it when I'm thieving (I'm a templar healer).

    Rapid Maneuver for speed, Shuffle for dodge and immunity to snares and Immovable Brute for less cost on break free. Easy to outrun/avoid being hit by Guards for 5 sec with this set up, allowing me reach the exit when caught indoors.
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  • Xaxxus
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    This is still a problem in 2020.

    Why the hell can we not open doors when getting chased?

    Buff the guards more. Make them stun the crap out of us. Do whatever to make it balanced.

    But the fact that you absolutely cannot escape if you are caught indoors is game breaking.
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  • Rave the Histborn
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    ZeroNeonix wrote: »
    One of the problems with the Justice System seems to be that it is impossible to escape the guards if you are caught indoors. When evading the guards, the only doors that can be used are for the criminal hideouts. There needs to be some method for players to get away when they happen to be indoors.

    If running out the front door isn't an option, how about windows? Windows could be made targetable, and have a health bar. When enough damage is done to the window, the player may jump out of it, appearing outside of the building, possibly taking fall damage if done from a second story window.

    I also think that the witnesses system could be improved by modeling more after Skyrim. The way it is now, if I kill a lone NPC where no one else is around, and it takes more than one hit, the crime is witnessed and cannot be removed. With a more Skyrim-type system, if a crime is witnessed by an NPC (or later, a player guard), those NPCs become witnesses, and killing them off removes your bounty because no one is left knowing of your crime. I would appreciate this change in a later update.

    Lastly, while I am okay with NPC guards being invincible now, I do hope that this will only last until player guards are eventually implemented. Once player guards are in, that'll add enough of a challenge. Invincible guards would just be overkill at that point.

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    Done.

    No rework, no silliness. Just use invis pots.

    There won't ever be player guards, it would be a horrid system.
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    Xaxxus wrote: »
    This is still a problem in 2020.

    Why the hell can we not open doors when getting chased?

    Buff the guards more. Make them stun the crap out of us. Do whatever to make it balanced.

    But the fact that you absolutely cannot escape if you are caught indoors is game breaking.

    Just give master thieves a summonable hiding basket. Make it a once a day perk, if necessary. Guard aggros you indoors, hit your basket hot key, summon it, and jump inside.

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    This topic died in 2016 guys....
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    There is some serious necromancy at work here...
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    ^^^ Clever bumps!
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