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j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO

Could we please have a forum for fans of ESO. Yolu know a place for people that actually like the game and the ES universe and want to discuss how to play and immerse themselves into it.

I come here occasionally to see how other people are doing something and almost without exception every thread devolves into either a hate fest (why do haters stay if they hate ESO so much?) or a mechanics obsession. I think it is wonderful that someone figured out that 1,2,4,5,3 give 13 more hit points of damage per hour than 2,1,3,4,5 - but I find it incredibly boring. It reminds me of all the time and money and arguments over player specs in sports, instead of just enjoying watching the games.

I would love to form or join a forum where any hating of Zenimax or ESO is reason for instant permaban, and the same goes for discussing crit percentages or rotations etc...

Just my humble opinion - lest the flame fest begin...

Smaxx

Well, to be honest I guess they'd just follow there as well. But overall, all the sub forums are more or less meant for people that like the game. Just report people if they're overly negative or just post to derail threads into off-topic discussions or flames.

Seraphyel

Don't read those threads when you don't like them.

Forums are for discussions and discussions tend to contain the good as well the bad.

j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »

I would love to form or join a forum where any hating of Zenimax or ESO is reason for instant permaban, and the same goes for discussing crit percentages or rotations etc...

You realize that exactly things like you said above destroy a game? No critique, no discussion, just wrapped in candy cotton wool wouldn't help anyone.

onlinegamer1

They already have one:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/categories/fiction-roleplaying

Rosveen

Don't mistake constructive criticism for hate. Even people who love ESO can admit that it's flawed and needs improvement.

kongkim

Seraphyel wrote: »

Don't read those threads when you don't like them.

Forums are for discussions and discussions tend to contain the good as well the bad.

j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »

I would love to form or join a forum where any hating of Zenimax or ESO is reason for instant permaban, and the same goes for discussing crit percentages or rotations etc...

You realize that exactly things like you said above destroy a game? No critique, no discussion, just wrapped in candy cotton wool wouldn't help anyone.

The problem is just that many of the topics here are not discussions, but rents and whine. People tent to hate more then playing the game.

Titansteele

There is always room for improvement, it will never be finished and true fans will try to help in that process.

j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO

Rosveen wrote: »

Don't mistake constructive criticism for hate. Even people who love ESO can admit that it's flawed and needs improvement.

I don't see calling Zen or it's dev's "STUPID" and the game as BROKEN as being constructive criticism. As a developer myself (not of games) I take pride in my work and I can assure you I ignore any change requests or suggestions that start off or end by calling me stupid.

Alphashado

It isn't just ESO, and it isn't just this forum. Every game forum is like this, and most are worse than this one.

The core of the problem is that social media in general allows people to be as mean and obnoxious as they want to be w/o much fear of retribution. That, coupled with the fact that most people only come to the forums when they are unhappy about something, tends to lead to an environment filled with unhappy people debating with other unhappy and neither party caring if they say something rude because they can hide behind the security of their keyboard.

That being said, there are plenty of wonderful people in this community. At the end of the day though, a forum is a platform for discussion and debate. You just have to take the good with the bad, understand that people are people and human nature is beautiful as well as ugly sometimes. Unfortunately, you don't have to look very far to see an example of ugly human nature. v_v

Minack

Aww....you haz a sad because people discuss balance and mechanics.



Get over it.

Rosveen

j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Don't mistake constructive criticism for hate. Even people who love ESO can admit that it's flawed and needs improvement.

I don't see calling Zen or it's dev's "STUPID" and the game as BROKEN as being constructive criticism. As a developer myself (not of games) I take pride in my work and I can assure you I ignore any change requests or suggestions that start off or end by calling me stupid.

Okay, that isn't constructive, you're right. But bashing the devs is already against the TOS, even if the mods don't see or punish every person who does it. They even put up a sticky about it.

On the other hand, dissecting game mechanics, pointing out what doesn't work and why, even saying "the current system is completely broken" (because some of them are, let's face it) - this is valuable insight and potentially helps make the game better. If not for people testing this stuff, half of your abilities wouldn't work as intended. Maybe you'd still have fun, who knows, but is this really what you want for the game?

AngryNord

One tip for the OP: If you think this forum is "nothing but hate" - stay far away from the reddiit ESO subsection, or the ESO Facebook page... THAT is where the hate is... Especially the latter place...

j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO

Rosveen wrote: »

j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Don't mistake constructive criticism for hate. Even people who love ESO can admit that it's flawed and needs improvement.

I don't see calling Zen or it's dev's "STUPID" and the game as BROKEN as being constructive criticism. As a developer myself (not of games) I take pride in my work and I can assure you I ignore any change requests or suggestions that start off or end by calling me stupid.

Okay, that isn't constructive, you're right. But bashing the devs is already against the TOS, even if the mods don't see or punish every person who does it. They even put up a sticky about it.

On the other hand, dissecting game mechanics, pointing out what doesn't work and why, even saying "the current system is completely broken" (because some of them are, let's face it) - this is valuable insight and potentially helps make the game better. If not for people testing this stuff, half of your abilities wouldn't work as intended. Maybe you'd still have fun, who knows, but is this really what you want for the game?

I agree with you, and agree that people who are interested in discussing mechanics should be free to do so and enjoy themselves, and that discussion does provide valuable insight to the devs. However, it does seem that it tends to bleed over into other non-mechanic discussions often.

TheShadowScout

Heh, I suppose it IS true that a lot of topics here are of the "this is where ESO is wrong" or "oh, noes, they ruined ESO with -insert quibe of the week-". Heck, I even remember a threat where people kinda told me "don't praise/make excuses for the developers here (this topic is just for whining about them not releasing everything we want NOW)"... well... sort of anyhow...

But the interesting ones are usually more on the side of "...this is how ESO could be better in the future", and those are fun to read and add your thoughts I would think.
And maybe, just maybe, someday we here who do so will have the warm feeling that the developers like some of the ideas we throw around, and we get to see them in the game, and tell everyone we told them so... hey, it could happen, right?

As for fan stuff... well, there is always the roleplaying forum. And you are free to start a "praise ESO" threat here too, compose a hymn hailing the virtues of this nifty game, and sacrifice a sweetroll in the developers name!

Sphinx2318

when i complain about something it is because i care sir!

jeevin

I come here to complain about the game because I can pretend that people care what I say. Ignorance is bliss.

WraithAzraiel

There is one, it's eso-rp.com or something like that. Go check it out homie

Wicked_Wolf

So, you'd like a forum where the only things that are discussed are exactly what you deem acceptable?

Not all the criticism on this forum is blind hate. Maybe you've noticed some of the threads have dev responses actually thanking people for the feedback. You'll always have some people who throw tantrums and post nonsense. Ignore it.

As far as mechanics discussions; that's exactly what some people love most about MMO's. People who spend that much time digging into these things obviously care about the game. You find it boring? Don't click it. Are one line subject titles really that intrusive to you?

Creating a forum where only very narrow minded and specific views and discussions are allowed, is counterproductive and good for no one honestly.

Folkb

j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »

Could we please have a forum for fans of ESO. Yolu know a place for people that actually like the game and the ES universe and want to discuss how to play and immerse themselves into it.

I come here occasionally to see how other people are doing something and almost without exception every thread devolves into either a hate fest (why do haters stay if they hate ESO so much?) or a mechanics obsession. I think it is wonderful that someone figured out that 1,2,4,5,3 give 13 more hit points of damage per hour than 2,1,3,4,5 - but I find it incredibly boring. It reminds me of all the time and money and arguments over player specs in sports, instead of just enjoying watching the games.

I would love to form or join a forum where any hating of Zenimax or ESO is reason for instant permaban, and the same goes for discussing crit percentages or rotations etc...

Just my humble opinion - lest the flame fest begin...

Maybe a lore section?

cyqa

I suppose I am a fangirl of this game- and I enjoy posting on the forums. Some awesome discussions have been spawned within some critical threads. I think it'd be really boring to have a forum with exclusively positive posts.

nimander99

Perspective is everything.

These forums are downright tame and the majority of folks here are providing constructive criticism. Its a great community in game and in forum. I am constantly blown away by the time folks spend breaking down the mechanics of a game they love, and that's their way of being fanboi's or gerls. (not to mention math wizards)

Not sure if I'm offering anything new to the discussion but these are forums and the good thing is you can ignore anything you don't want to read

j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO

Wicked_Wolf wrote: »

So, you'd like a forum where the only things that are discussed are exactly what you deem acceptable?

Not all the criticism on this forum is blind hate. Maybe you've noticed some of the threads have dev responses actually thanking people for the feedback. You'll always have some people who throw tantrums and post nonsense. Ignore it.

As far as mechanics discussions; that's exactly what some people love most about MMO's. People who spend that much time digging into these things obviously care about the game. You find it boring? Don't click it. Are one line subject titles really that intrusive to you?

Creating a forum where only very narrow minded and specific views and discussions are allowed, is counterproductive and good for no one honestly.

Did you even read my post - seriously, thank you for calling me NARROW MINDED for wanting a forum where we are free from people that insult others and discuss mechanics vs role playing. I NO WHERE suggested that those topics should be limited or curtained here - I said nothing concering the intelligence of people that wanted to participate in those discussions, other than to mention that I understand that some people enjoy those topics.

But you could not resist coming into my thread and insulting me and calling me names for stating my opinions.

I expect5 based on your stated opinion that people on Ford forums are narrow minded since they do not want to discuss Chveys, that people on PC forums are narrow minded because they do not want to discuss Mac's, etc, etc...

Apparently what YOU want to discuss is all that matters, or the opposite, you are in favor of total chaos, there should be a single forum topic with no differentiation all threads should not have titles.

Thank you for proving my point.

Wicked_Wolf

1. You asked if I read your post, but you seemingly blew mine out of proportion. Did I call you narrow minded? Or did I say narrow minded views. Yes, views. And, I stand by that because a forbidding discussion of things that you don't want discussed, is indeed narrow minded.

2. You said nothing about the intelligence of those wanting to discuss certain things, I know. Neither did I nor did I make any claim you did. So, I have no idea where you're getting that from.

3. Your analogy is incorrect. If people were discussing WoW, or other MMO's, then I could see what you mean. What it's really like, is people coming to a Ford forum (where Ford employees are present) and discussing issues with their vehicles seeking help, and giving feedback to Ford to let them know what would make them better than Chevy. Also, people discussing various ways to make the most out of their Ford vehicles (character build discussion, dps, crit percentages, etc.)

4. Yes, I think what I want to discuss matters because it is everything. I think everything, positive or negative should be discussed on a forum. Appropriately, there are sub forums here categorized by interest for people to post in areas they prefer. General forums are just that, general. The sub forums all seem to include appropriate topics when I visit them. When I've posted incorrectly, the CM's moved my topics to the right forums within minutes.

No one is stopping you from creating a forum that suits your needs specifically. But, a ZOS controlled forum that bans all forms of criticism and allows for very specific types of play styles, will make them look bad to the public. I for one think ZOS is great at allowing all types of discussion and not unfair in their rules like pretty much every other MMO out there that bans you for the slightest bit of non praise. They should be recognized for this honestly.

Again, not sure where you're seeing that I called you any names. I am actually quite surprised at your rage reply, given that your OP had the line "let the flame fest begin". I would think you expected opinions that differed from your own.

j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO

Creating a forum where only very narrow minded and specific views and discussions are allowed, is counterproductive and good for no one honestly. "

Wicked_Wolf wrote: »

1. You asked if I read your post, but you seemingly blew mine out of proportion. Did I call you narrow minded? Or did I say narrow minded views. Yes, views. And, I stand by that because a forbidding discussion of things that you don't want discussed, is indeed narrow minded.

2. You said nothing about the intelligence of those wanting to discuss certain things, I know. Neither did I nor did I make any claim you did. So, I have no idea where you're getting that from.

"Creating a forum where only very narrow minded and specific views and discussions are allowed, is counterproductive and good for no one honestly. "

I believe the words are NARROW MINDED from your post, maybe you should read your post...

Wicked_Wolf

Do you even know what the term "narrow minded" means? I can only assume you don't, given that you're quoting my response about intelligence. Again, I will reiterate to you that I said nothing about intelligence in my post. Narrow minded has nothing to do with intelligence. The definitions are:

"not willing to listen to or tolerate other people's views"

"not willing to accept opinions, beliefs, or behaviors that are unusual or different from your own"


Does this not sound like what you are proposing? That's not name calling. You keep telling me to read my post; but perhaps you should read it including everything else I wrote.