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3/31/15 It is Happening what can ESO learn from it.
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Well the Nex gen consoles get their first MMO Never Winter will drop on march 31st.
After playing the beta I can say that the game does lean toward a grind. BUT that CAN be a good thing. As people say that NW tends to lean into the cash shop a bit. I will agree, but there is NOTHING in the cash shop that you cannot get from in game grind. Yes I know there are people that see that word and think "OMG" when honestly there should be a certain amount of grind in all MMO's. If not why not just play a single player game.
To me MMO's should put the player base in an "Us against the masses" type of world. With that the cash shop should not be exclusive. The items should be something that players want, but at the same time cash shop should not be the only way to obtain them.
With ESO the only way to obtain some of the items in the cash shop "unless I am wrong here" is by the use of Crown's.. In NW the playerbase can buy cash shop items from other players provided that the player has not bound these items to that account already. Will ESO use this same system? I looked and as far as I can see if you buy from the cash shop the item is bound to THAT ACCOUNT. this is a bad system if you ask me as that will lock out a large portion of the player base from ever obtaining those items through in game trading.
Anyone else see thing that ESO could take from console NW and make it a better game?
Edited by Funkopotamus on February 24, 2015 10:16PM After playing the beta I can say that the game does lean toward a grind. BUT that CAN be a good thing. As people say that NW tends to lean into the cash shop a bit. I will agree, but there is NOTHING in the cash shop that you cannot get from in game grind. Yes I know there are people that see that word and think "OMG" when honestly there should be a certain amount of grind in all MMO's. If not why not just play a single player game.
To me MMO's should put the player base in an "Us against the masses" type of world. With that the cash shop should not be exclusive. The items should be something that players want, but at the same time cash shop should not be the only way to obtain them.
With ESO the only way to obtain some of the items in the cash shop "unless I am wrong here" is by the use of Crown's.. In NW the playerbase can buy cash shop items from other players provided that the player has not bound these items to that account already. Will ESO use this same system? I looked and as far as I can see if you buy from the cash shop the item is bound to THAT ACCOUNT. this is a bad system if you ask me as that will lock out a large portion of the player base from ever obtaining those items through in game trading.
Anyone else see thing that ESO could take from console NW and make it a better game?
Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington
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✭✭✭No. Allowing items bought for crowns that are exclusive to be traded is almost the same as just selling gold directly. Buy cash shop item, swap it for gold in game.... no thanks.
Also see nothing wrong with some costumes being cash shop only, as it gives a reason for people who care to actually pay, instead of buy it in game for gold from others.
Combine these two things and you can see why it's such a bad idea.-First-Wave Closed Beta Tester of the Psijic Order, aka the 0.016 percent.
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Smaxx✭✭✭✭✭What can ESO (or better: ZOS) learn from Perfect World? Simple: Don't follow their ideals.
Perfect World games typically allow you to "grind" for cash shop items so you don't have to pay for them. That sounds great and fair, but in the end it's not really worth the grind, no matter what. In my opinion it's really just a sad excuse to defend the game against people complaining about their prices.
To be honest, I can't speak for Neverwinter, since I never bothered trying to play it, considering it's a Perfect World game.
I've played Star Trek Online though, and sadly I've also paid some money (the latter before their takeover though).
Let me explain you how their "grind if you don't want to spend money" works: To get the best ships in the game, you'll have to buy them off the store. You can't earn them with in-game currency directly.
However, you can collect Dilithium through daily quests and events. This is a special currency you can then trade in to exchange it for shop currency (Zen). The prices aren't fixed and it's essentially an exchange market where other players offer their Zen for Dilithium.
Still sounds quite fair? Yes and no... Most ships will costs you around 20 $ or something similar in your currency. That's massive for what's essentially another character class/progression tingy. But you can grind for it in the game? Sure you can... You can only collect a specific amount of Dilithium per day and doing so will take you some time (no idea whether this part changed, but back then you might have had to invest two or three hours for it). So 2-3 hours a day to get that ship you want? Like an Intrepid Class Refit? Sounds great, till you see the prices... I indeed started the grind and gave up after something like a week. It would have taken me literally months of daily grind for one single item from the shop. And it wouldn't even have been the most expensive item.
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As for ESO's cash shop: No. Players won't be able to trade gold for crowns or anything similar. Also you won't be able to sell, trade or gift anything that can be found on the crown store. And to be honest I'm very happy that this is the case. Pretty much all F2P/B2P games from Asia allow some kind of currency exchange in their stores and most often it simply ruins the whole economy. In Guild Wars 2 many crafting materials are offered at the smalles possible price point simply because the economy is skewed. Screw Neverwinter, I don't think anyone in here needs anything from that game. Period.
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Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭But having ZOS trickle down economics by dripping us 1500 crowns a month and having to save up months of crowns to buy items is better than running quest to earn them is better how exactly?
Just wanted to add that YES I agree PW has had troubles in the past. PWI was horrible. STO was a disaster! But it seems NW found a medium to run on and the pricing is not that bad actually..
Some of the highest items in that game are the Costumes so AAL should be happy.
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✭✭✭✭✭Funkopotamus wrote: »But having ZOS trickle down economics by dripping us 1500 crowns a month and having to save up months of crowns to buy items is better than running quest to earn them is better how exactly?
Nothing in the crown store costs more than 1500 crowns other than the Imperial Upgrade, which costs 2100. Most items are 200 to 700 crowns. Mounts are 900 to 1300. So, not sure what your saving up for months for.
Edited by Nestor on February 24, 2015 10:34PMEnjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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EXACTLY! You get your monthly check at the first of the month and you buy one item... Guess what.... You are waiting till next month to buy anything.. Maybe that is cool with some people, but I feel there should be a better way to handle the shop items. Maybe straight up player trading would be bad.Funkopotamus wrote: »But having ZOS trickle down economics by dripping us 1500 crowns a month and having to save up months of crowns to buy items is better than running quest to earn them is better how exactly?
Nothing in the crown store costs more than 1500 crowns other than the Imperial Upgrade, which costs 2100. Most items are 200 to 700 crowns. Mounts are 900 to 1300. So, not sure what your saving up for months for.
Maybe have the option to turn in quest to an NPC for crowns would help and keep the economy from crashing in as you said?
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Neverwinter is not the first mmo for next gen consoles for one.... its just the first for xbox one. ps4 has had dcuo, and ffxiv for quite a long time now...
Also i think ZOS is already leaning towards a great b2p concept with its trivial items on the market that help but arent needed and DLCs. DCUO has done this for years now and it has worked out fantastically.
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I'm not sure why you think you have to wait. You can buy crown packs from ESO store whenever you want.Funkopotamus wrote: »
EXACTLY! You get your monthly check at the first of the month and you buy one item... Guess what.... You are waiting till next month to buy anything.. Maybe that is cool with some people, but I feel there should be a better way to handle the shop items. Maybe straight up player trading would be bad.Funkopotamus wrote: »But having ZOS trickle down economics by dripping us 1500 crowns a month and having to save up months of crowns to buy items is better than running quest to earn them is better how exactly?
Nothing in the crown store costs more than 1500 crowns other than the Imperial Upgrade, which costs 2100. Most items are 200 to 700 crowns. Mounts are 900 to 1300. So, not sure what your saving up for months for.
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✭✭✭✭✭I've played Star Trek Online though, and sadly I've also paid some money (the latter before their takeover though).
STO's actually taken it to the degree now where once you hit VA, if you want to get the next tier of ship (effectively leveling up) you need to spend 30 bucks. If you have one of the select T5 ships, you can "upgrade" those to a substandard Tier 6, which doesn't give you the additional bridge officer slot, that true T6s get (which is actually a major issue), or access to either of the new bridge officer station types.
They justify this by saying, "no, honest, you can grind for anything in the store, so it's legit to sell beefier ships than you can get through normal gameplay in there."2 -
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✭I think some TESO players could learn from NWO. Specifically, those who decry the Crown Shop as P2W should go take a gander at Neverwinter. That will give them a better idea of a true P2W business model Snit AD Sorc
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✭✭✭✭✭Funkopotamus wrote: »EXACTLY! You get your monthly check at the first of the month and you buy one item... Guess what.... You are waiting till next month to buy anything..
Your math is still wrong. You can buy 7 200 crown items, or 3 pets, or a mount and potion pack etc etc etc.
And, after I buy my Guar Mount, what else is there for me to buy? Nothing. The Crown Store is absolutely useless after I get my mount. I can ignore it and play on whilst riding my Guar across the land and never worry about a Crown again.
I get it that you don't like the idea of the Crown Store, I am not a fan of it either. But, hyperbole and not paying attention to the math is not going to make your point for you. Me, I will get the one mount I want, and never do business with it again.
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Metrobius✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »I've played Star Trek Online though, and sadly I've also paid some money (the latter before their takeover though).
STO's actually taken it to the degree now where once you hit VA, if you want to get the next tier of ship (effectively leveling up) you need to spend 30 bucks. If you have one of the select T5 ships, you can "upgrade" those to a substandard Tier 6, which doesn't give you the additional bridge officer slot, that true T6s get (which is actually a major issue), or access to either of the new bridge officer station types.
They justify this by saying, "no, honest, you can grind for anything in the store, so it's legit to sell beefier ships than you can get through normal gameplay in there."
I downloaded sto once, and as I was patching I started to read up on the game and saw this. I went to a couple different sources to make sure I was understanding, and sure enough.
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »I've played Star Trek Online though, and sadly I've also paid some money (the latter before their takeover though).
STO's actually taken it to the degree now where once you hit VA, if you want to get the next tier of ship (effectively leveling up) you need to spend 30 bucks. If you have one of the select T5 ships, you can "upgrade" those to a substandard Tier 6, which doesn't give you the additional bridge officer slot, that true T6s get (which is actually a major issue), or access to either of the new bridge officer station types.
They justify this by saying, "no, honest, you can grind for anything in the store, so it's legit to sell beefier ships than you can get through normal gameplay in there."
I downloaded sto once, and as I was patching I started to read up on the game and saw this. I went to a couple different sources to make sure I was understanding, and sure enough.
Uninstall. Delete. No sexy green bridge officers for me.
Also no Orion bridge officers for you if you roll up a Fed unless you max out Diplomacy, which is a horribly long grind.0 -
Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭Funkopotamus wrote: »EXACTLY! You get your monthly check at the first of the month and you buy one item... Guess what.... You are waiting till next month to buy anything..
. Me, I will get the one mount I want, and never do business with it again.
That sounds great in theory... But what happens when the next "Mount/Dress/Potion/OMGIWANTTHAT" item comes along?
It is not like ZOS is front loading the only items people will want at release... If that was the case the entire idea of the cash shop to support the game will fail..
Your quote up there sounds like every crackhead out there.. lol..
Just this one mang.. I swear just this one time! and you can believe me ZOS will be shoving crack at us.
All I am saying is there should be a way for others to get these items. I myself could care less I am one of those stupid people when it comes to things like cash shops. I bought instant beta access to AA for $190.00 earlier this year and felt like it took 26 COLD showers to get the dirty feeling off of myself.. /cring......
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✭✭✭✭✭To be fair...these are two different types of MMORPG's.
There is something TESO can learn from D&D Neverwinter but that's not saying all aspects of Neverwinter are better than TESO (console only).
I'm not comparing the PC games so I'll reserve a final opinion until I play TESO beta on console.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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cronius77b14_ESO✭✭✭you guys do realize that a mount costs 30 bucks in their cash shop and a bag is like 10? Perfect world games are basically pay to win in every regard and have been for years. They do not care about their customers, give crappy support, and charge outrageous fees for stupid things like mounts or lockbox keys. Not to mention the paywall on neverwinters rune system is a complete joke and now the artifact weapons and gear. If ZOS learns anything from any release by perfect world they should learn to stay as far away as they can from this cash shop grab of a game which btw they are even trying to mask prices and the pay walls from console gamers.4
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$$ -> crowns -> items -> gold.
I want no way to convert real money into gold. Gold can buy you Shadow Walker and Footman rings. That's called pay-2-win."Things which are alike in nature grow to look alike, and the speaking stones have lain a long time lookin' at the sun. Some believe they descend with the lightning, but I believe they are on the ground and are projected downward by the bolt."
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Smaxx✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »STO's actually taken it to the degree now where once you hit VA, if you want to get the next tier of ship (effectively leveling up) you need to spend 30 bucks. If you have one of the select T5 ships, you can "upgrade" those to a substandard Tier 6, which doesn't give you the additional bridge officer slot, that true T6s get (which is actually a major issue), or access to either of the new bridge officer station types.
They justify this by saying, "no, honest, you can grind for anything in the store, so it's legit to sell beefier ships than you can get through normal gameplay in there."
Wow, sounds even worse compared to back then (I stopped before they introduced that new unified cruiser hull for all three "specializations" they were giving away for free at the anniversary (although with worse stats)). Too bad, because I really enjoyed the game, even though gameplay has been a bit slow and repetitive. Happy I dropped it.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »STO's actually taken it to the degree now where once you hit VA, if you want to get the next tier of ship (effectively leveling up) you need to spend 30 bucks. If you have one of the select T5 ships, you can "upgrade" those to a substandard Tier 6, which doesn't give you the additional bridge officer slot, that true T6s get (which is actually a major issue), or access to either of the new bridge officer station types.
They justify this by saying, "no, honest, you can grind for anything in the store, so it's legit to sell beefier ships than you can get through normal gameplay in there."
Wow, sounds even worse compared to back then (I stopped before they introduced that new unified cruiser hull for all three "specializations" they were giving away for free at the anniversary (although with worse stats)). Too bad, because I really enjoyed the game, even though gameplay has been a bit slow and repetitive. Happy I dropped it.
Oh man, you're talking about the Odyssey? Yeah, there was a free version of that, and then the specialized ones were 10 console variants. Literally you were spending 25-50 bucks for a console and one console slot. But it wasn't hilariously broken the way the Tier 6 conversion has been.
Tier 6 ships actually have an experience based progression system too, where gradually more systems come online. If you're upgrading a tier 5, (and remember not all Tier 5s can be upgraded) you're looking at a much lower level cap on the ship itself. I forget if T5u ships are limited to 3 ranks or 5, with the real T6 ships getting either 5 or 10 respectively.) Needless to say, the Tier 6 ships was where I ducked out.0 -
Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭cronius77b14_ESO wrote: »btw they are even trying to mask prices and the pay walls from console gamers.
Please do enlighten us on that fact?
As far as I have played I have been able to get all of my upgrade runes from playing. Yes I had to BUY two from a friend but NOTHING has been spent in the cash shop. I used alts for storage. Mounts are just about the only thing you need to freak out over..
But honestly please do let us know how they are "Masking" the prices? They have already been listed on the website..
I also need to clarify something here! I am NOT here on the behalf of PW hell I was wanting ESO to keep the SUB FEE even on the console.
All I am saying is ZOS's way of doing it you will pay us a monthly sub or you will pay us for crowns or you will be a peasant..... Like I said here I was all for the Sub Fee to support the game, but then I read that even if I do and then decide to go BTP I will have lost access to the DLC.. The system just seems thrown together to me.
I just wish the world would allow developers to get paid through sub fees and that way the devs would be more invested with the player base and actually WANT to develop new content!
Now with these cash shop games it is like they can just run a "SALE" on "Insert cherished Item" to drum up some cash..Edited by Funkopotamus on February 24, 2015 11:33PMAnything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington0 -
Smiteye✭✭✭Attorneyatlawl wrote: »No. Allowing items bought for crowns that are exclusive to be traded is almost the same as just selling gold directly. Buy cash shop item, swap it for gold in game.... no thanks.
Also see nothing wrong with some costumes being cash shop only, as it gives a reason for people who care to actually pay, instead of buy it in game for gold from others.
Combine these two things and you can see why it's such a bad idea.I think some TESO players could learn from NWO. Specifically, those who decry the Crown Shop as P2W should go take a gander at Neverwinter. That will give them a better idea of a true P2W business model
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✭✭✭✭✭Funkopotamus wrote: »cronius77b14_ESO wrote: »btw they are even trying to mask prices and the pay walls from console gamers.
Please do enlighten us on that fact?
As far as I have played I have been able to get all of my upgrade runes from playing. Yes I had to BUY two from a friend but NOTHING has been spent in the cash shop. I used alts for storage. Mounts are just about the only thing you need to freak out over..
But honestly please do let us know how they are "Masking" the prices? They have already been listed on the website..
If we're talking about cryptic... and we're talking about their behavior in general... I can guess.
STO and CO couch a lot of upgrades that are actually mandatory, especially in the late game, as "optional" or "available though in game means" which really translates to grinding Dilithium/Questionite, or buying them from other players at massive rates. I've talked about the Tier 6 ships. Though that's far from the only offender. For CO the big thing is actually freeform slots. In theory these are available to anyone, but in practice you need to either subscribe or pay around 50 bucks for each one. As a lot of content is really designed around Freeform builds. There's content aimed at solo players that ATs actually need to team up to deal with. Unless something's seriously changed since I was playing.
CO also buries a lot of costs in the crafting system, which is vital to creating an effective endgame build. You won't see it if you're running around at level 20 (the crafting system isn't in full swing then), but Crafting at 40 is expensive and starts to trend into real money transactions.
The real costs aren't apparent up front, but they are there, especially to remain competitive in the endgame.
I don't know Neverwinter, so I can't say how much is there, but... based on Cryptic's track record... I can guess there's something similar at work there.Edited by starkerealm on February 24, 2015 11:36PM1 -
Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Funkopotamus wrote: »cronius77b14_ESO wrote: »btw they are even trying to mask prices and the pay walls from console gamers.
Please do enlighten us on that fact?
As far as I have played I have been able to get all of my upgrade runes from playing. Yes I had to BUY two from a friend but NOTHING has been spent in the cash shop. I used alts for storage. Mounts are just about the only thing you need to freak out over..
But honestly please do let us know how they are "Masking" the prices? They have already been listed on the website..
The real costs aren't apparent up front, but they are there, especially to remain competitive in the endgame.
I don't know Neverwinter, so I can't say how much is there, but... based on Cryptic's track record... I can guess there's something similar at work there.
The same can be said for future ESO DLC... That will be a "Paywall" if it drops one single speck of new gear that other areas do not offer.. Also the crown store will give advantages in the PvP from the potions being used to gain CP and make stronger characters to wipe the floor with other players..
Thing is all I was asking for was a way for people to obtain these items without the cash shop and there WILL NOT BE. Just like any other game out there.. The wall is there in ESO just like NW even though some just do not want to see it.
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✭✭✭✭✭Funkopotamus wrote: »That sounds great in theory... But what happens when the next "Mount/Dress/Potion/OMGIWANTTHAT" item comes along?
Once you go Guar, you never go back.
I can't think of anything that they would sell in the shop that would make me want to buy something else. Unless of course they sell things in the shop that are required to play the game, then it's time to Uninstall the game. Which would be the first Elder Scrolls title I have ever uninstalled.
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✭✭✭✭✭Funkopotamus wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »Funkopotamus wrote: »cronius77b14_ESO wrote: »btw they are even trying to mask prices and the pay walls from console gamers.
Please do enlighten us on that fact?
As far as I have played I have been able to get all of my upgrade runes from playing. Yes I had to BUY two from a friend but NOTHING has been spent in the cash shop. I used alts for storage. Mounts are just about the only thing you need to freak out over..
But honestly please do let us know how they are "Masking" the prices? They have already been listed on the website..
The real costs aren't apparent up front, but they are there, especially to remain competitive in the endgame.
I don't know Neverwinter, so I can't say how much is there, but... based on Cryptic's track record... I can guess there's something similar at work there.
The same can be said for future ESO DLC...
You can also say "fear is the mindkiller" about future ESO DLC, because, one: It's the future, ergo, we don't know what it will contain, and 2: because we can also say, "*Catches fire* ... ... I can see the future! ... ... ... I'm on fire!"Funkopotamus wrote: »That will be a "Paywall" if it drops one single speck of new gear that other areas do not offer..
That's going to depend on what those sets actually do. If we were talking about Cryptic, you'd be looking at sets with stats that are vastly better than what you can get in game, or items with multiple 5 piece bonuses. Or sets with a unique mechanic, like their bonuses scalling up after you get 5 pieces equipped, and then start adding a 6th or 7th.
Basically, with Cryptic, their design philosophy has become, "if you pay us, we'll let you break the game."Funkopotamus wrote: »Also the crown store will give advantages in the PvP from the potions being used to gain CP and make stronger characters to wipe the floor with other players..
There might be XP boosters. Might be. Right now nothing's been said about the CP boosters. That's the kind of crap even Cryptic won't touch. You have to go to Funcom to get broken crap like that.Funkopotamus wrote: »Thing is all I was asking for was a way for people to obtain these items without the cash shop and there WILL NOT BE. Just like any other game out there.. The wall is there in ESO just like NW even though some just do not want to see it.
The difference is, right now there isn't a wall in the shop. I mean, it's not there. Best you can do is bypass the initial 10k expense of buying a horse by spending 9 bucks.
With Cryptic, you're looking at needing to spend 30 bucks to keep playing for stuff you just cannot get in game. I mean, if that's really what you want to be playing, don't let us stop you, Cryptic's out there. But they're not really a major threat to ESO's future.Edited by starkerealm on February 24, 2015 11:50PM0 -
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✭I don't see anything any game could take from NW to make it a better game unless it's a cautionary tale. I reinstalled it last month to see what's changed. I was greeted with 5+ windows directing me to the cash shop, fight through the UI to get my character updated (despite trying to force my credit card out at every turn), jumped in to a dungeon ... was bored ... logged out and uninstalled.2 -
Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭So running areas and dungeons for gear sets will just ......."Stop" after 1.6? No nononon If you brainwash yourself to think that I would like to sell you some money sand in a bottle. No really all you have to do is just add water and it will grow money I swear..
The XP Booster were said just the other day to be going in the crown store. I will try to find you the link.
Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Funkopotamus wrote: »That sounds great in theory... But what happens when the next "Mount/Dress/Potion/OMGIWANTTHAT" item comes along?
Once you go Guar, you never go back.
I can't think of anything that they would sell in the shop that would make me want to buy something else. Unless of course they sell things in the shop that are required to play the game, then it's time to Uninstall the game. Which would be the first Elder Scrolls title I have ever uninstalled.
I think I uninstalled Oblivion once... temporarily, due to a botched mod messing with the data folder...
But, yeah, at last I can finally have a guar mount. I've only been waiting for 12 years, give or take.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Funkopotamus wrote: »Well the Nex gen consoles get their first MMO Never Winter will drop on march 31st.
After playing the beta I can say that the game does lean toward a grind. BUT that CAN be a good thing. As people say that NW tends to lean into the cash shop a bit. I will agree, but there is NOTHING in the cash shop that you cannot get from in game grind. Yes I know there are people that see that word and think "OMG" when honestly there should be a certain amount of grind in all MMO's. If not why not just play a single player game.
To me MMO's should put the player base in an "Us against the masses" type of world. With that the cash shop should not be exclusive. The items should be something that players want, but at the same time cash shop should not be the only way to obtain them.
With ESO the only way to obtain some of the items in the cash shop "unless I am wrong here" is by the use of Crown's.. In NW the playerbase can buy cash shop items from other players provided that the player has not bound these items to that account already. Will ESO use this same system? I looked and as far as I can see if you buy from the cash shop the item is bound to THAT ACCOUNT. this is a bad system if you ask me as that will lock out a large portion of the player base from ever obtaining those items through in game trading.
Anyone else see thing that ESO could take from console NW and make it a better game?
Why should ESO struggle to be like another game that hasn't launched yet on console or provided any usable data/statistics to show that their approach is the best.Edited by timidobserver on February 24, 2015 11:58PMV16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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