MMORPG article with Matt Firor leaves this subscriber feeling pointless and not worth anything

onlinegamer1

$15 (monthly subscription) buys you 1500 crowns. (And temporary things like 10% XP gain, access to DLCs you don't own, etc).

But lets only focus on Crowns. $15 = 1500, so 100 crowns/$1 via subscription.

Lets compare that to buying crowns for cash, without a subscription:

• If Crowns cost that price, then being a subscriber is a bonus (the extra 10% XP).
• If Crowns cost less (say, 150 or 200 / $1), then I am paying extra for my Crowns if I subscribe.
• If Crowns cost more (say 90/$1) then I am getting a bargain if I subscribe.

Now, if you think that you'll rarely-to-never USE Crowns other than to by DLCs, then the entire IDEA of buying Crowns is MEANINGLESS TO YOU. Therefore, a subscription will NEVER have any value to you.

SexyVette07

The more I hear about the future of the game, the more I want to just Uninstaller it and never look back again
The second they start gating end game content behind pay walls is the day that'll happen. They should have adopted Rift's plan Instead of trying to bleed the players dry.

Just my $.02

StaticWax

I'm happy to subscribe. This subscriber doesn't understand why ppl are complaining so much.

In fact, I'll probably have 2 subs. One PC, one console. And somehow I am happy about it. It's almost as if I'm just plain happy with life in general.

Go figure.

Danikat

Audigy wrote: »

There are games where you MUST sub / use the shop to be able to play. GW2, SWTOR are the best examples. Not being a sub or shop customer there makes the game pointless and meaningless as you miss out on too many features such as pvp, trading or char slots.

ESO seems to be different, that's why the unlimited term comes into play.

Never played SWOTR but ESO's new system actually seems very similar to GW2 to me. I know quite a few people (including my husband) who have never bought anything from their cash shop in spite of playing for years, and I've only ever bought novelty items (mainly costumes and pets).

There's a few differences obviously, like for example GW2 doesn't allow you to buy extra bank space with gold, although you can buy gems (the equivilent of crowns) with gold and do it that way. But I've never felt like I had to buy anything to keep playing.

Having said that, as I said ESO's new system seems very similar to me. Which makes me think a subscription isn't going to be worth it. Unless they release at least $15/£10 of DLC/items per month it's better to just buy crowns as and when you need it.

Audigy

Danikat wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

There are games where you MUST sub / use the shop to be able to play. GW2, SWTOR are the best examples. Not being a sub or shop customer there makes the game pointless and meaningless as you miss out on too many features such as pvp, trading or char slots.

ESO seems to be different, that's why the unlimited term comes into play.

Never played SWOTR but ESO's new system actually seems very similar to GW2 to me. I know quite a few people (including my husband) who have never bought anything from their cash shop in spite of playing for years, and I've only ever bought novelty items (mainly costumes and pets).

There's a few differences obviously, like for example GW2 doesn't allow you to buy extra bank space with gold, although you can buy gems (the equivilent of crowns) with gold and do it that way. But I've never felt like I had to buy anything to keep playing.

Having said that, as I said ESO's new system seems very similar to me. Which makes me think a subscription isn't going to be worth it. Unless they release at least $15/£10 of DLC/items per month it's better to just buy crowns as and when you need it.

Its been a while that I played GW2, but I remember how frustrating it was to me on release. The gold price for gems was so high, it would had taken me many months to just unlock a single thing I found chests that I couldn't open due the lack of keys, I was really angry to say the least

But they also had that pay wall for pvp tournaments, which I believe was later removed? Back then you had to buy into competitive pvp and this in a pvp focused MMO, I was really shocked

That said, I am happy that you and your husband have fun over there some of my friends also play it and seem fine with it and keep trying to convince me to give it another try, but I tend to not give an MMO a second chance ever - maybe a mistake I don't know

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

$15 (monthly subscription) buys you 1500 crowns. (And temporary things like 10% XP gain, access to DLCs you don't own, etc).

But lets only focus on Crowns. $15 = 1500, so 100 crowns/$1 via subscription.

Lets compare that to buying crowns for cash, without a subscription:

• If Crowns cost that price, then being a subscriber is a bonus (the extra 10% XP).
• If Crowns cost less (say, 150 or 200 / $1), then I am paying extra for my Crowns if I subscribe.
• If Crowns cost more (say 90/$1) then I am getting a bargain if I subscribe.

Now, if you think that you'll rarely-to-never USE Crowns other than to by DLCs, then the entire IDEA of buying Crowns is MEANINGLESS TO YOU. Therefore, a subscription will NEVER have any value to you.

Exactly, but now the question is - do more people think like you or like me? I know that some people will raid those shops in MMOs, I have a friend at WOW she buys every pet and mount over there and does nothing than farming stuff for pets & mounts

However, if the whole reason for subbing is cosmetics then I just don't know if its worth it for the current subscribers and those ZO wants to attract in feature. Most people so I would guess play for content, no matter if pvp, pve or RP - but the crown store doesn't feature anything of that yet, bar the costumes maybe for Roleplayers.
I am positively surprised we don't have char slots blocked or bank space or Cyrodil access - that's a fair move by ZO and it shows again how much they care. But the truth is, without those things the reason to sub comes down solely to the cosmetics and if this is enough to making a "living" out of it?

It just seems like something is missing there, something that makes a player go "yes I must be a sub" - at least in my case and those of others that raised their concerns.

Gidorick

I agree.... that's why I started this thread:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/150450/eso-subscription-benefits-suggestions

Takhistis

Although I have no intention of subbing for this game when it goes buy-to-play I do feel like ESO plus subscribers are really just being mocked by deciding to pay monthly fees for bonuses and access to DLC content which B2P'ers will have to buy one time.

Sallington

"This decision came about more from the perspective of listening to what our community members had to say and analyzing their playing habits."

I'm sick of them blaming us for their stupid choices. They definitely weren't listening to me. I wish they would just tell us the truth and stop all this PR bullsh*t.

onlinegamer1

Here are my future plans for ESO:

- I plan to take all 7 of my current Vet characters through Cadwell's Silver and Gold (thats 7 silvers and 7 golds....)
- I plan to take my 8th character (only lvl 10) and get him to VR14, and thru Silver and Gold (total 8!!!)
- I plan to take all of my Stamina-based characters to PvP and gain Alliance Rank 24 (for Vigor skill)

Now, to do that, I will most DEFINITELY want a 10% XP boost, and in addition, will be buying a constant supply of 10% XP Boost Potions from the Crown Store (they are confirmed to stack, so +20% XP with ESO Plus + Potion).

Furthermore, in all honestly, $15/mo is basically irrelevant to my finances. So, I will subscribe until such time as it just seems pointless to me. No reason for me to preemptively cancel.

Romo

We're all going to have to wait and see the cost of the DLCs.

If they cost $30, and come out every 3 months for $30 or 4500 clowns, then the value of the clowns are fixed, we can decide if its worth subbing.

Or when the cost of clowns on the web store comes out..... along with the first DLC cost.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

Kragorn wrote: »

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

MMORPG.com: What inspired the name Tamriel Unlimited? How long did it take to settle on this name?
A: We wanted a name that gives the impression of freedom – freedom to play how you want, and freedom to pay for the game the way you want.

Seems Eric didn't get the memo when it comes to playing a Sorc.

Really missing the "LOL" right about now, so I did an "awesome" instead

BigM

They are destroying their own game. Sub you get DLC plus XP gain. LOTRO did this and you know what they did, made a Stone of Tortoise because people hated leveling so fast and made content way to easy which made the game a joke.

Here is a question I don't think has been answered if it was am sorry. But if you sub and go thru all of the new DLC but then unsub do you lose all you did during that DLC and lose access to that area? Because we actually did pay for it so why should we lose it?

Audigy

BigM wrote: »

They are destroying their own game. Sub you get DLC plus XP gain. LOTRO did this and you know what they did, made a Stone of Tortoise because people hated leveling so fast and made content way to easy which made the game a joke.

Here is a question I don't think has been answered if it was am sorry. But if you sub and go thru all of the new DLC but then unsub do you lose all you did during that DLC and lose access to that area? Because we actually did pay for it so why should we lose it?

I believe ZO doesn't know this yet.

I read an interview where they said that a player wont lose the items and that the char will be moved out of the DLC content area, so that you can still play it. Its just the access that will be denied, but you must ask yourself what the purpose of the char is, if it cant do the new content anymore?

DLC´s should just automatically unlock after a specific period of time. If ZO is smart then their DLC´s will keep players busy for several months so that they get the money for the DLCs by Subs.

However, if a DLC is only a week worth of content then players will just cancel their subs and then giving them the DLC for free would be silly.

BigM

Audigy wrote: »

BigM wrote: »

They are destroying their own game. Sub you get DLC plus XP gain. LOTRO did this and you know what they did, made a Stone of Tortoise because people hated leveling so fast and made content way to easy which made the game a joke.

Here is a question I don't think has been answered if it was am sorry. But if you sub and go thru all of the new DLC but then unsub do you lose all you did during that DLC and lose access to that area? Because we actually did pay for it so why should we lose it?

I believe ZO doesn't know this yet.

I read an interview where they said that a player wont lose the items and that the char will be moved out of the DLC content area, so that you can still play it. Its just the access that will be denied, but you must ask yourself what the purpose of the char is, if it cant do the new content anymore?

DLC´s should just automatically unlock after a specific period of time. If ZO is smart then their DLC´s will keep players busy for several months so that they get the money for the DLCs by Subs.

However, if a DLC is only a week worth of content then players will just cancel their subs and then giving them the DLC for free would be silly.

Still we did pay for it while we played it so I see a lot of problems coming down the pipe once we play that DLC right through and they deny access to it after if we unsub. We paid while we done it so they will not have the right to take it away from us or stop us from going into it. Can someone say that Pandora's box is going to be opened once this happens.

Soulshine

MornaBaine wrote: »

I'm REALLY curious to know the cost of DLC. Personally, right now at least, I feel paying a monthly sub should outright purchase you any DLC released during the period you are subbed. After all, we know very well we are not going to get DLC more than once a month, probably more like every 2 months...if we're lucky. If 30 bucks isn't enough to cover the cost of the DLC I'm a little concerned.

This is point I have been repeating over and over. It is highly unlikely that they do not have any idea of what the price points for DLCs will be. At the very least, they could be providing "ball park" figures, the same as Firor does for cash shop items currently on PTS.

Removing this information from the equation makes it impossible for any consumer interested in making an informed decision on what they are purchasing, given that they have no way to make a defined comparison on their investment. People can speculate all they want about how much a given DLC will cost them, but given Firor's own statements about fluctuating price points just for fluff in the cash shop, nobody knows what the cieling will really be for crowns or for the DLC.

Also, given their established habit of giving us "content" piecemeal, I can see a situation where we may be expected to pay upfront for a "DLC full of new features" when it could consist of something like half a zone (Craglorn good example) and one instance, or some other minor adjustment to the game yet still carry a full price tag.

Dragging out the time frame for releasing even an estimate on this information is not sound business if you ask me, since it tantamounts to asking people to sub on faith alone based on the perceived value of something which as yet still hasn't been proven. Ridiculous. Plans like that work when the services or product line in question come from a trusted vendor, not one that has repeatedly allowed it's credibility to slip this low.

They were perfectly willing to throw out teaser videos last year on IC and spellcrafting, Wrothgar, etc., yet when pressed for concrete information on delivery of this content they cannot even state clearly if any ONE of these systems will be included in the game sometime this year.

Having been through this and worse in my last MMO, I am not surprised. But on the other hand, I am also not willing to go through it again. The matter of paying a sub means categorically nothing to my wallet so choosing to cancel it would never be due to the money, but rather one of principle. They are simply too many other games and sources of entertainment, which at the end of the day is all that this is, for me to just actually waste money on a service which is not going to provide me any for the forseeable future.

Sallington

Soulshine wrote: »

Having been through this and worse in my last MMO, I am not surprised. But on the other hand, I am also not willing to go through it again. The matter of paying a sub means categorically nothing to my wallet so choosing to cancel it would never be due to the money, but rather one of principle. They are simply too many other games and sources of entertainment, which at the end of the day is all that this is, for me to just actually waste money on a service which is not going to provide me any for the forseeable future.

Very well said, and this is the bottom line right here. A lot, if not most of us, are adults who have been through our fair share of MMOs and know exactly where this is all headed. $15/month doesn't amount to much at all budget-wise, but it's the principle of shelling out ANY money to a company with this kind of business practice.

DeLindsay

The "rental" of DLC while paying them monthly is the most idiotic idea I've seen in regards to a B2P model. It truly is a complete and total disregard to those who have supported the game since launch and choose to continue supporting them after B2P, unless they allow us to purchase said DLC's with the Crowns we get for subbing. They have not said whether that will be applicable or not. But if they do, then the "rental topic is moot.

sk8ingeckoub17_ESO

It seems you all are making a mountain out of a mole hill on this. This exact sub model is available to see right now with dcuo. Both games give you the base game for free. Dlc, new classes, etc is available via sub or one time purchase. Sub has similar extra perks.

Depending on your situation and belief depends on how you choose to approach the game. Neither the subs nor the one time purchaser are being screwed... Its all based on your personal choice on whats more valuable.

Alphashado

Want to know what bothers me the most about this?

The word community. How they use the word community. First Paul, and now Matt.

This is the slap that hurts. This is the punch to the face that those of us that have been here since day one find incredibly insulting.

They keep tossing the word community around like it's some kind of platform. Like they are only doing what the community wanted.

They are clearly not referencing this community. They are clearly not referencing the community of people that were happily paying a subscription fee. They are clearly not referencing the people that financially supported them through all of their bad decisions. They are clearly not referencing the community that basically begged them not to ditch the subscription with an overwhelming majority.

Their community is the collection of people that were not supporting them. Their community is clearly all of the potential customers.

I wish they would just quit using that word. If you go back to all the quotes from Paul and now Matt, and remove the word "community", and replace it with "potential customers", then we would have the truth. They need to stop insulting our intelligence ffs.

Elsonso

Kragorn wrote: »

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

MMORPG.com: During the ESO Tamriel Unlimited discussion, you mentioned that the DLC content (Orsinium/Wrothgar etc.) will be ready for players no matter the level. Once you purchase it, you’ll be able to go in and explore it with your friends. Does the DLC content scale the player to level 50 or does the content scale to the player’s level? If so, how does that work if my friends are of different levels?
A: It will work very similarly to the way lower-level players are “battle leveled” in Cyrodiil – your character will be boosted up while you are in the zone, so you’ll be able to play it with friends of all levels, in much the same way you do that now in Cyrodiil.

This .. sounds .. dreadful.

It may be a solution in PVP, for PVE it's horrible, it means character progression is meaningless and pointless. Why grind levels when you can be level 1 and 'upscaled' to play end-game content.

Tell me this is a joke.

I agree.

This was the only part of this interview that concerned me. It deserves a topic by itself.

onlinegamer1

Kragorn wrote: »

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

MMORPG.com: During the ESO Tamriel Unlimited discussion, you mentioned that the DLC content (Orsinium/Wrothgar etc.) will be ready for players no matter the level. Once you purchase it, you’ll be able to go in and explore it with your friends. Does the DLC content scale the player to level 50 or does the content scale to the player’s level? If so, how does that work if my friends are of different levels?
A: It will work very similarly to the way lower-level players are “battle leveled” in Cyrodiil – your character will be boosted up while you are in the zone, so you’ll be able to play it with friends of all levels, in much the same way you do that now in Cyrodiil.

This .. sounds .. dreadful.

It may be a solution in PVP, for PVE it's horrible, it means character progression is meaningless and pointless. Why grind levels when you can be level 1 and 'upscaled' to play end-game content.

Tell me this is a joke.

You should try playing the game instead of posting on the forums. If you did, you'd realize that you don't even unlock your weapon swap until level 15, and all of your skills and passives don't fully unlock until level 50.

Good luck with your level 1 with 1 skill on your 1 hotbar and no others or even any ultimate slotted.

Ixtyr

The entire subscription model simply feels very cheaply done, that's my issue with it. To me, there's hardly any value in remaining subscribed, and that shouldn't be the case. The greatest enemy to any business is uncertainty, and as a subscriber in the Buy to Play system, I'm providing a benefit to counteract that: a regular monthly revenue stream.

I'm getting a 10% buff to earning experience and gold, which no one else can get (which feels kinda pay-to-winny but I'll live with it), a monthly allotment of Crowns, and then some temporary access to DLCs that goes away the second I let my subscription lapse. To me there's not enough her to warrant subscribing, and it seems to me like a terrible decision on ZOS's part.

Pack some serious value so I feel like I'm getting more than my money's worth, and I'll gladly throw my money at you. As it stands...there's no real reason to subscribe, and ZOS has missed a huge opportunity to retain or gain more regular revenue than they probably will.

Faugaun

MMORPG.com: While being an ESO Plus member, we’ll have access to all the DLC content that is released for free. Does this include any future expansions should ESO ever have them?
A: When you are a Plus member, you get access to all the DLC that is available when you are a member. So over time you’ll get access to more and more areas by being a member.

To me this says while my sub is active then I have access to all currently active content if my sub lapses then I lose access to it but as soon as I resub then I once again gain access to it all. Plus I get crowns for content and bonus gold and exp and whatever other ESO plus bonuses. So if a new player joins in two years then his best option is to subscribe because he/she can play all of the content available in the game (or spend hundreds of dollars to buy it all). While said new player is subbed he/she could begin using some crowns to permantly purchase dlc so that if they stopped subbing then they still have access to that content. Alternatively they can forgo the buying of dlc and use the crowns for whatever other goodies they like with the idea that they will always sub whenever they play so buying the dlc is less meaningful than buying they other goodies. In this sense ESO plus gets all of ESO + goodies. Where doc buyers buy just the dlc and buy the goodies...I think others are correct though it would be nice to know what constitutes dlc (both the types of items and quantity) and a price point for different quality/quantity of dlc.

I think previous posters are also correct to the "mature" (based on rating) audience most have much greater money available for hobbies than the highschooler working part time after school. Its not the money but the principles behind the money that are important.

I do think sub has the potential to be super awesome double bonus land ....or super terrible depending on undisclosed details.

Soulshine

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

Kragorn wrote: »

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

MMORPG.com: During the ESO Tamriel Unlimited discussion, you mentioned that the DLC content (Orsinium/Wrothgar etc.) will be ready for players no matter the level. Once you purchase it, you’ll be able to go in and explore it with your friends. Does the DLC content scale the player to level 50 or does the content scale to the player’s level? If so, how does that work if my friends are of different levels?
A: It will work very similarly to the way lower-level players are “battle leveled” in Cyrodiil – your character will be boosted up while you are in the zone, so you’ll be able to play it with friends of all levels, in much the same way you do that now in Cyrodiil.

This .. sounds .. dreadful.

It may be a solution in PVP, for PVE it's horrible, it means character progression is meaningless and pointless. Why grind levels when you can be level 1 and 'upscaled' to play end-game content.

Tell me this is a joke.

You should try playing the game instead of posting on the forums. If you did, you'd realize that you don't even unlock your weapon swap until level 15, and all of your skills and passives don't fully unlock until level 50.

Good luck with your level 1 with 1 skill on your 1 hotbar and no others or even any ultimate slotted.

The point is not the level cited but the concept of the feasture in the first place. Obviously it would not be level one.

As is, you could not be in Cyrodill until level 10 despite that weapon swap was locked to level 15, and still people poured into Cyrodill in droves as soon as they hit level 10 and got the mail about it. This would be no different if in fact they do it in the same manner. And I think we all know how "great" that "battle leveled" has turned out to be....

Seraphyel

Apokh wrote: »

Seraphyel wrote: »

Yeah, that has been so much stuff that it was worth paying +$100 for it.

Oh...kay?! And (why) did you keep your sub alive in the past?.

I didn't. Gosh, why should I subscribe for months when there is no content? You could literally see and do everything without putting too much time into it within 2 months. There is absolutely no content or long term motivation to be a sub for 10 months or more.

Tavore1138

Things that would make me want to sub are...

• Continued loyalty rewards for people who subscribed from day 1 (by all means run a parallel one for new people).
• Regular DLC such that the cost of a sub <= the cost of the crowns we get plus the DLC published.

Basically 10% XP is not going to cut it when all that does is change the CP grind from 1,440 VR levels down to 1,296 VR levels - I am never going to level 93 alts through the Cadwell quests any more than I am going to level 102 alts through them.

Crowns are fine and dandy but I don't see continuing to pay a sub to do what others can do for free just to have a pretty outfit or a better pet.

The only thing that will make a sub worthwhile in the short, medium or long term is regular decent sized content releases that cost enough to non-subscribers that we get something from subscribing.

Unlike the OP I am not too bitter about the last year - I have enjoyed playing most of the time although I have been saddened as each successive decision has pandered to an audience that were never going to stay anyway & won't now either.

For example I wish they'd tweaked unbalanced encounters in VR instead of nerfing it to death, I wish they'd offer more varied ways of gaining XP instead of removing VR ranks yet massively upping the need to repeatedly do the quests some people hate anyway, I wish they'd fix balance (which they were well on their way to doing) before breaking it again, I wish they'd have focused on PvP instead of ignoring it while players trickled away.

In short I don't know who they have been listening to, 'cos I know it hasn't been us, but if they want they game to live they should stop... NOW!

Seraphyel

Audigy wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

There are games where you MUST sub / use the shop to be able to play. GW2, SWTOR are the best examples. Not being a sub or shop customer there makes the game pointless and meaningless as you miss out on too many features such as pvp, trading or char slots.

ESO seems to be different, that's why the unlimited term comes into play.

Never played SWOTR but ESO's new system actually seems very similar to GW2 to me. I know quite a few people (including my husband) who have never bought anything from their cash shop in spite of playing for years, and I've only ever bought novelty items (mainly costumes and pets).

There's a few differences obviously, like for example GW2 doesn't allow you to buy extra bank space with gold, although you can buy gems (the equivilent of crowns) with gold and do it that way. But I've never felt like I had to buy anything to keep playing.

Having said that, as I said ESO's new system seems very similar to me. Which makes me think a subscription isn't going to be worth it. Unless they release at least $15/£10 of DLC/items per month it's better to just buy crowns as and when you need it.

Its been a while that I played GW2, but I remember how frustrating it was to me on release. The gold price for gems was so high, it would had taken me many months to just unlock a single thing I found chests that I couldn't open due the lack of keys, I was really angry to say the least

But they also had that pay wall for pvp tournaments, which I believe was later removed? Back then you had to buy into competitive pvp and this in a pvp focused MMO, I was really shocked

Guild Wars 2 never ever was P2W or had something like paywalls. If you get a locked chest and you want to open it, it's your decision to buy a key from the store or to get one in game (and guess what, you can get them with finishing your maps).

Romo wrote: »

We're all going to have to wait and see the cost of the DLCs.

If they cost $30, and come out every 3 months for $30 or 4500 clowns, then the value of the clowns are fixed, we can decide if its worth subbing.

Or when the cost of clowns on the web store comes out..... along with the first DLC cost.

$30 DLCs? lol

Expansions cost $30 and offer more than a new zone like ESOs DLCs seem to be.

Gidorick

Seraphyel wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

There are games where you MUST sub / use the shop to be able to play. GW2, SWTOR are the best examples. Not being a sub or shop customer there makes the game pointless and meaningless as you miss out on too many features such as pvp, trading or char slots.

ESO seems to be different, that's why the unlimited term comes into play.

Never played SWOTR but ESO's new system actually seems very similar to GW2 to me. I know quite a few people (including my husband) who have never bought anything from their cash shop in spite of playing for years, and I've only ever bought novelty items (mainly costumes and pets).

There's a few differences obviously, like for example GW2 doesn't allow you to buy extra bank space with gold, although you can buy gems (the equivilent of crowns) with gold and do it that way. But I've never felt like I had to buy anything to keep playing.

Having said that, as I said ESO's new system seems very similar to me. Which makes me think a subscription isn't going to be worth it. Unless they release at least $15/£10 of DLC/items per month it's better to just buy crowns as and when you need it.

Its been a while that I played GW2, but I remember how frustrating it was to me on release. The gold price for gems was so high, it would had taken me many months to just unlock a single thing I found chests that I couldn't open due the lack of keys, I was really angry to say the least

But they also had that pay wall for pvp tournaments, which I believe was later removed? Back then you had to buy into competitive pvp and this in a pvp focused MMO, I was really shocked

Guild Wars 2 never ever was P2W or had something like paywalls. If you get a locked chest and you want to open it, it's your decision to buy a key from the store or to get one in game (and guess what, you can get them with finishing your maps).

Romo wrote: »

We're all going to have to wait and see the cost of the DLCs.

If they cost $30, and come out every 3 months for $30 or 4500 clowns, then the value of the clowns are fixed, we can decide if its worth subbing.

Or when the cost of clowns on the web store comes out..... along with the first DLC cost.

$30 DLCs? lol

Expansions cost $30 and offer more than a new zone like ESOs DLCs seem to be.

if they cost like $20 and they only come out every six months or so there is absolutely no reason for me to subscribe at all.

kevlarto_ESO

I plan on staying subbed as long as I am having fun and I feel there is value for my sub as a subbed player I would expect to pay for an expansion. An expansion should double or triple the size of the world with tons of new content I have always paid for an expansion while subbed in other games, DLCs mostly small updates minimal content I would not expect to pay for while subbed guess we will see what the road ahead brings us.

Hawk269

MMORPG stated "Exciting Console Information" but there was nothing in their article that would be considered exciting???