VELOCIOUS CURSE DAMAGE: SORCERER MAGICKA BUILDS FIX

manny254 · February 2015

Sorcs are fine they do more ranged dps then any other class.

Lussura · February 2015

manny254 wrote: »

Sorcs are fine they do more ranged dps then any other class.

Can I has some of that skooma?

Tankqull · February 2015

from my perspective the total unreliable desintegrate[wich is one of the reasons people bring so much hatred towards opponents sorc due to the insane burst delivered by it] should be erased and worked into the base attack of magefury increasing its dmg from a measly 180 to 280-350 dmg. maybe even more but than that small innitial hit should be blockable to be able to drain some stamina from our opponents wich is currently restricted to only crystal shards for sorcs. and additionaly one of the the nearly unused triumverat of encase, rune prison and deadric mines needs to be chaged into a 10-15sec dot making exploitation anything usefull.

Dracane · February 2015

manny254 wrote: »

Sorcs are fine they do more ranged dps then any other class.

What have you been drinking, eating or whatever O.o give it to me

Nihil · February 2015

Dracane wrote: »

Nihil wrote: »

aaa, that I can agree with. I was going from a pure damage perspective not blockable / unblockable. I do want to try mines in PVP now, see if those are non blockable (nice deterent for melee players?).

The are blockable....

dang, with the update about some skills that deal damage from below not being blockable, I was hoping they were one of them.

Nihil · February 2015

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

@Nihil , Minefield is good, but expensive.

Daedric Tomb just begs to be placed on or at the top of stairs... Good for a shield charge surprise, as well.

yea I know it is costly but I was hoping it got the non blockable ground base effect too, although to block it they would have to be walking and blocking to get over it I guess.

manny254 · February 2015

Dracane wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Sorcs are fine they do more ranged dps then any other class.

What have you been drinking, eating or whatever O.o give it to me

Most the ranged dps I have seen sits around 7-9k. I have seen sorc consistently get 11-13k. Before you complain test things. Then compare them relative to similar builds.

Derra · February 2015

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Curse is still extremely effective in PvP. I love when it is cleansed as I can cast it twice again in quick succession as it explodes faster.

@ezareth_ESO the last time i tested on pts 1.6.0 it did not work that way. Instead curse got removed of my bar bc of the following: Enemy purge removed curse and for the next 4 seconds you could not curse again bc it would disappear after half the duration without anything happening.
This was also the case when you preemptively purged before any debuff was applied.

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

Why did they make Curse blockable?

Is Mage's Fury now blockable too?

God I wish they'd make it blockable....talk about a cheap way to drain someone of stam.

It was draining stamina in 1.6.1 apart from being unblockable

On Topic:
Curse - apart from the purge ?bug? - is already strong in pvp. So is hardcasting crystal fragments in pve. Read my reply to you in the other topic

Dracane · February 2015

manny254 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Sorcs are fine they do more ranged dps then any other class.

What have you been drinking, eating or whatever O.o give it to me

Most the ranged dps I have seen sits around 7-9k. I have seen sorc consistently get 11-13k. Before you complain test things. Then compare them relative to similar builds.

Enlighten me then. How can a Sorcerer reach 11-13k DPS ? Pets, Overload ? This does not count.

And thank you my friend, I have tested so many things.

Jitterbug · February 2015

manny254 wrote: »

Sorcs are fine they do more ranged dps then any other class.

Can I buy some pot from you?

manny254 · February 2015

Dracane wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Sorcs are fine they do more ranged dps then any other class.

What have you been drinking, eating or whatever O.o give it to me

Most the ranged dps I have seen sits around 7-9k. I have seen sorc consistently get 11-13k. Before you complain test things. Then compare them relative to similar builds.

Enlighten me then. How can a Sorcerer reach 11-13k DPS ? Pets, Overload ? This does not count.

And thank you my friend, I have tested so many things.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/1-6-x-nyblings-magicka-based-sorc-dps-champion-rank-71/

If you exclude options available to you that is your fault, and you should not complain that other use all of them.

Erondil · February 2015

XEVENEX wrote: »

With badass gear and 3600 champion points, curse does 6k tooltip damage. 6k / 3.5 seconds = 1714 dps. Thats terrible and 15% doesnt even get you in the same ballpark as crushing shock. Hard casting frags is terrible and is hard counterd by any melee range or, wait for it, crushing shock.

Lets talk about fixing sorc, fine, but lets not be silly, ok?

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Inappropriate Content and Language]

I take some 8k curse on pvp. You cant count only TT while you will be always with entrppy buff. +dps doesnt work like that, on a long fight, curse works exactly like a 8k instant but with 3 sec CD.
Honnestly, I must agree sorc got a very sad dps on pve, but an up of damages by 40% would be too much for pvp (11k dmg is 50% hp, timed with a CF : one shot).
I dont know if you tried to play woth curse+CF+crushing shock+entropy? Entropy-> curse-> 1,2 CS-> CF instant (12-14k dmgs with good buffs)
Theorically, for me you could get 10k dps woith that. But I'm not at all a sorc pve expert, maybe you already try and it sucks...

Nihil · February 2015

Erondil wrote: »

XEVENEX wrote: »

With badass gear and 3600 champion points, curse does 6k tooltip damage. 6k / 3.5 seconds = 1714 dps. Thats terrible and 15% doesnt even get you in the same ballpark as crushing shock. Hard casting frags is terrible and is hard counterd by any melee range or, wait for it, crushing shock.

Lets talk about fixing sorc, fine, but lets not be silly, ok?

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Inappropriate Content and Language]

I take some 8k curse on pvp. You cant count only TT while you will be always with entrppy buff. +dps doesnt work like that, on a long fight, curse works exactly like a 8k instant but with 3 sec CD.
Honnestly, I must agree sorc got a very sad dps on pve, but an up of damages by 40% would be too much for pvp (11k dmg is 50% hp, timed with a CF : one shot).
I dont know if you tried to play woth curse+CF+crushing shock+entropy? Entropy-> curse-> 1,2 CS-> CF instant (12-14k dmgs with good buffs)
Theorically, for me you could get 10k dps woith that. But I'm not at all a sorc pve expert, maybe you already try and it sucks...

for a destruction staff build it would also be beneficial to weave in destructive touch for the DoT. It starts to be a lot of upkeep and timing spells right because otherwise we will lower our dps XD. Fights that stay close to the boss the players could even throw on thundering presence, as it has higher damage per cast then most of our other skills ( I think it actually beats a non proc CF).

Seraphyel · February 2015

Dracane wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Sorcs are fine they do more ranged dps then any other class.

What have you been drinking, eating or whatever O.o give it to me

Most the ranged dps I have seen sits around 7-9k. I have seen sorc consistently get 11-13k. Before you complain test things. Then compare them relative to similar builds.

Enlighten me then. How can a Sorcerer reach 11-13k DPS ? Pets, Overload ? This does not count.

And thank you my friend, I have tested so many things.

Why is that not counting? It's a Sorcerer doing that DPS, even if it's quite dull. Nybling figured out a build, dealing 11-13k DPS. Don't know how much it is after the CS nerf but still...

Sorcs need to be worked on, that's sure, but they are not that awful at all.

Tankqull · February 2015

Seraphyel wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Sorcs are fine they do more ranged dps then any other class.

What have you been drinking, eating or whatever O.o give it to me

Most the ranged dps I have seen sits around 7-9k. I have seen sorc consistently get 11-13k. Before you complain test things. Then compare them relative to similar builds.

Enlighten me then. How can a Sorcerer reach 11-13k DPS ? Pets, Overload ? This does not count.

And thank you my friend, I have tested so many things.

Why is that not counting? It's a Sorcerer doing that DPS, even if it's quite dull. Nybling figured out a build, dealing 11-13k DPS. Don't know how much it is after the CS nerf but still...

Sorcs need to be worked on, that's sure, but they are not that awful at all.

both cs and overload got nerfed (no overload light attack weaving) wich reduces nyblings dps significantly.

Dracane · February 2015

Other classes can deal higher DPS without using Ultimates. That's why it does not count. And pets is a very popular topic. Some might like it, but the majority does not and forcing us to use pets, to get some numbers, is just the wrong way.

That's why I was saying this.

rfennell_ESO · February 2015

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Curse is still extremely effective in PvP. I love when it is cleansed as I can cast it twice again in quick succession as it explodes faster.

Actually it does very little damage in pvp.

It's only used because nothing else works.

It's great versus noobs you can cs knockdown curse cs mages wrath.

Versus "non noobs" it's useful in that it's the only way you can do any damage to them, not nearly enough to matter but it is the only thing in the mighty sorc aresenal that can't be blocked or reflected.

ToRelax · February 2015

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Curse is still extremely effective in PvP. I love when it is cleansed as I can cast it twice again in quick succession as it explodes faster.

Actually it does very little damage in pvp.

It's only used because nothing else works.

It's great versus noobs you can cs knockdown curse cs mages wrath.

Versus "non noobs" it's useful in that it's the only way you can do any damage to them, not nearly enough to matter but it is the only thing in the mighty sorc aresenal that can't be blocked or reflected.

Now it can be blocked

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Ezareth · February 2015

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Curse is still extremely effective in PvP. I love when it is cleansed as I can cast it twice again in quick succession as it explodes faster.

Actually it does very little damage in pvp.

It's only used because nothing else works.

It's great versus noobs you can cs knockdown curse cs mages wrath.

Versus "non noobs" it's useful in that it's the only way you can do any damage to them, not nearly enough to matter but it is the only thing in the mighty sorc aresenal that can't be blocked or reflected.

Trust me I know.