Sorcerer- the least versatile class

Aeternus

It seems to me in 1.6 there have been changes made for the other classes in order to perform other roles more effectively except for sorcs. They still appear to be subpar compared to the other classes in tanking and healing. Even as dps, their only viable sustainable build is magicka based with pets. What gives? Are they purposely trying to make sorc the least fun class?

Gix

A SORCEROR sustained through magicka-related skills? What kind of sick twisted world do we live in?

Don't fret, the meta always changes.

Exstazik

Gix wrote: »

A SORCEROR sustained through magicka-related skills? What kind of sick twisted world do we live in?

Don't fret, the meta always changes.

new meta-RIP sorc

Snit

Welcome to The ToggleMancer class! Three toggles, two actives! Sound fun?

Sorcs are still pretty good in PvP. In PvE, though, they're the worst healers, the worst tanks... and our best DPS spec does not look like a whole lot of fun to play.

seancaputo_ESO

Having a Veteran Level in all classes. I love my Sorc the most.

Class Skills Ranged DPS is what most people use, but forget that they are do crowd control.

1.6.1 is all good for the Sorc... All Hail the Year of the Sorcerer

newtinmpls

Maybe the sorcerer doesn't work in PvP. ... I've been to Cyrodiil a few times, but in dungeons, not true PvP.

My sorc/tank has everything in health, heavy armor with every bit glyphed out in stamina, 2-handed weapon (carve & critical charge), usually summons his fairly bloodthirsty Twilight Matriarch (she starts fights with folks who should really be considered totally out of aggro range), uses the lightning form (morphed) most of the time.

Which probably would not quite be enough, but his partner/second is a phenomenally talented Templar/Healer (light armor, warlock set & restoration staff - I think she maybe has one offensive thing).

seancaputo_ESO

Sorcs ROCK in PVP....

Nivzruo_ESO

Mhm, sorcs are basically gods in pvp.

GreyRanger

It seems like the issue for Sorcerers is that ZOS and some players are seeing them as done because they work in PVP, but other players are really frustrated because they are the least useful and desired class for raids, gold vet dungeons, and similar group based PVE content.

The key is that these are very different activities. Sorcerers are easily the least flexible class and I think the least useful class for team base PVE content.

bosmern_ESO

Sorcerers have so much potential but it seems everyone is afraid of trying different builds/theory crafting so they have some sense that Sorcerers are 'useless'. This is why having everyone follow the flavor of the month is bad, no one has tried to change the current.

My sorcerer tank is as good, if not better as DK tanks. I have people whisper me in dungeons saying "I didn't know sorcs could be good tanks". Don't have people decide your build, go onto PTS and try something different. Don't just read and come to conclusions.

Holycannoli

Tank? Most sorcerers want to DPS, and not with pets.

seanvwolf

I've compared my sorc dps output with a full pet build and full stamina (2hand, dw and bow) builds. I will hardly be using pets. They are nice, but there's just no contest for me.

RyLCritical

Ob 1.6.1 sorcerer are the badest klasse without the real negate zos sucks!!!

Leeric

Pets wouldn't bother me if they didn't have terrible AI, and from what I tested durability wise, aside from the damage of Unstable Familiar being killed off they aren't going to work very well at the high level.

Not to mention if your going pet build your going to have most of the pets out, and that leaves hardly any room on your bars.

Honestly I'm not to thrilled with the changes, sorcerers already aren't the best at healing, tanking, single or group dps, and it seems ZOS has no problem keeping them there.

Aidantwab16_ESO

Hm? Oh don't mind me, I'm a Nightblade.

GreyRanger

Aidantwab16_ESO wrote: »

Hm? Oh don't mind me, I'm a Nightblade.

LOL.

I don't think it is a design decision to put Sorcerers into such a poor state for group PVE. My guess is that the strongest members of the design and programming teams are focused on other issues (B2P, crown store, console, etc.) and that they have decided, well it is good enough for now, they can play a different class if they don't like it, and we will come back to it "later".

The problem is that this will drive away at least some part of the game's base as people get frustrated after dumping a lot of time into leveling sorcerers only to discover they aren't wanted/welcome for high level PVE.

Seraphyel

Sorc healers should get some kind of love - please!

I would like to see a healing morph for Negate Magic.

prototypefb

GreyRanger wrote: »

Aidantwab16_ESO wrote: »

Hm? Oh don't mind me, I'm a Nightblade.

LOL.

I don't think it is a design decision to put Sorcerers into such a poor state for group PVE. My guess is that the strongest members of the design and programming teams are focused on other issues (B2P, crown store, console, etc.) and that they have decided, well it is good enough for now, they can play a different class if they don't like it, and we will come back to it "later".

The problem is that this will drive away at least some part of the game's base as people get frustrated after dumping a lot of time into leveling sorcerers only to discover they aren't wanted/welcome for high level PVE.

where the heck you get info about sorc not being able to do same as other classes? classes are undergoing balancing, OP spells are being dealt with.
Where exactly you feel the problem is? sorc is capable class as ever before, even more with pet builds and bubble builds than before...
Only limit currently sorc and NB have is heal(bubbles don't proc heal on surge/strife and likes) but sorc can deal with it using bubble, NB is left out cold alone.NB is little bit lagging behind, not by a mile tho, not anymore, 1.6 is still in works.

NotSo

The only way to fix this is if everybody rerolls to sorc making the entire populace unable to complete the endgame content. . . wait, nevermind. That would just cause the content to get nerfed. Then sorcs would get nerfed with it for some reason.

Gyudan

prototypefb wrote: »

GreyRanger wrote: »

Aidantwab16_ESO wrote: »

Hm? Oh don't mind me, I'm a Nightblade.

LOL.

I don't think it is a design decision to put Sorcerers into such a poor state for group PVE. My guess is that the strongest members of the design and programming teams are focused on other issues (B2P, crown store, console, etc.) and that they have decided, well it is good enough for now, they can play a different class if they don't like it, and we will come back to it "later".

The problem is that this will drive away at least some part of the game's base as people get frustrated after dumping a lot of time into leveling sorcerers only to discover they aren't wanted/welcome for high level PVE.

where the heck you get info about sorc not being able to do same as other classes? classes are undergoing balancing, OP spells are being dealt with.
Where exactly you feel the problem is? sorc is capable class as ever before, even more with pet builds and bubble builds than before...
Only limit currently sorc and NB have is heal(bubbles don't proc heal on surge/strife and likes) but sorc can deal with it using bubble, NB is left out cold alone.NB is little bit lagging behind, not by a mile tho, not anymore, 1.6 is still in works.

There should be a level requirement to post in class-specific threads. I wouldn't feel confident enough to discuss DK or Nightblade just because I barely reached the veteran levels with those classes.

SanderBuraas

They might be versatile, but not so viable. They do have quite a lot of single target dps, but so do the other classes, along with great aoe dps and survivability - which the Sorcerer class lacks.

Snit

Ask yourself these questions:

- I am going to make my healer a sorc, because then he can...
- I will roll a sorc tank instead of a DK or Templar, because then he can...

I'm not saying sorcs can't heal or tank. I've healed plenty of vet dungeons on mine. But they don't bring a lot to the table in terms of class skills to differentiate themselves in a positive way. They never really have.

Messy1

I have a light armor nightblade magicka build that seems sooo much more like a all powerful wizard than my sorc :P

ArconSeptim

OMG Templars are so weak, nobody talking *** about them omg

Messy1

ArconSeptim wrote: »

OMG Templars are so weak, nobody talking *** about them omg

Templars are not weak, they have solo much survivability and good DPs too

GreyRanger

Snit wrote: »

Ask yourself these questions:

- I am going to make my healer a sorc, because then he can...
- I will roll a sorc tank instead of a DK or Templar, because then he can...

I'm not saying sorcs can't heal or tank. I've healed plenty of vet dungeons on mine. But they don't bring a lot to the table in terms of class skills to differentiate themselves in a positive way. They never really have.

This is the key point. It is possible for a sorcerer to play the healer or tank role, but unlike the other classes the class itself doesn't add to the role functionality. It is a bit like saying you can play a character is with no class (weapon, armor, and world skills only) and play one of these roles; but what is the point.

superquadockyb14_ESO

Sorceror is a good tank though. Using the Summons to distract and absorb damage while you use THundering Presence or what not while charging into a group of monsters with two-handed or one-handed weapon. Its pretty neat.

Jice

Ehh..I don't know about tank. Thundering Presence is something no other tank gets, a Aura that does damage and boosts armor [and now long lasting!] is pretty dang unique, plus a pretty strong Damage Shield that can do better than a Templar's with enough Magika.

I get most of the class, but what's always bothered me on my Sorc is what the hell is Deadric Curse for? It's like a 6 second DoT that does all it's damage at once..Not much of a curse really.

Seems to me that should be the Sorc's healing special, curse a mob to have it leech it's health to the players around it then explode for a big heal at the end. Would make it a pretty unique in the way of heals, since nothing else but Funnel Health targets Mobs.

Or at the very least a version of the Twilight that only heals party members, so it doesn't draw Agro and die every 5 seconds. A constant un-targeted single target minor heal would be pretty unique too.

CP5

Jice wrote: »

Ehh..I don't know about tank. Thundering Presence is something no other tank gets, a Aura that does damage and boosts armor [and now long lasting!] is pretty dang unique, plus a pretty strong Damage Shield that can do better than a Templar's with enough Magika.

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The DK's Spike Armor provides the same major buffs to armor and spell resist, but instead of providing a frequent melee range damage it returns damage to melee attackers. It also last as long as Thundering Presence regardless of morph. Just, to point that out.

Jice

CP5 wrote: »

The DK's Spike Armor provides the same major buffs to armor and spell resist, but instead of providing a frequent melee range damage it returns damage to melee attackers. It also last as long as Thundering Presence regardless of morph. Just, to point that out.

And? One does constant Aura damage the other returns damage. If we want to get technical Immovable grants the same thing too, but only the one is really good for AoE damage in which you don't have to hold the Agro of all the mobs.

I'm not saying the Sorc couldn't use some boosting, what I am saying is all the potential is there, But Sorc's seem to think they have nothing at all. And when it comes to healing utility, I agree, but not to tanking. Rune Armor, Thundering Presence, Conjured Ward. The skills are there, they just need to stop being so lack luster.

Rune Armor should increase amount blocked for instance to be more in line with being a tanking skill, or even making blocking cost [gasp] magika. Thundering Presence could snare on activation like Lotus Fan and Ash Cloud, Conjured Ward is Conjured Ward, no Sorc should be crying about how good it is...

Vahrokh

superquadockyb14_ESO wrote: »

Sorceror is a good tank though. Using the Summons to distract and absorb damage while you use THundering Presence or what not while charging into a group of monsters with two-handed or one-handed weapon. Its pretty neat.

Let's see how good your summons do vs The Warrior in Hel Ra or Mantikora.

Because even my little dino can "tank" in 4 men, but real tanks are those that actually keep a trial group alive.